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gwho
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States632 Posts
April 02 2008 21:46 GMT
#121
ah, the ever recurring theme of mastering a boring exercise, through which you shove the objective into the subconscious.

training really means training. when people think of the word "training", they usually think of developing skills (alright, mastery and proficiency - very cool). But you also "train" your dog, through simple things and repetition, as if the dog (and you, when you train) had miniscule IQ. It's not very cool or confidence boosting to think of it this way. But because of our biology, the seemingly designed for dunces is actually one of the best ways of learning. (it still sucks to do it though)
ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
April 02 2008 21:53 GMT
#122
im starting this practice.. 2 games, but i get tired of spammin after a while. Im on 158 and 175 :p *my regular apm is about 130* gotta keep on making shortcuts and travel through different screens. And i noticed, that because of focusing on this, i kinda loose my objective on the strategy so
"My sister is on vacation in Costa Rica right now. I hope she stays a while because she's a miserable cunt." -pubbanana
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
April 02 2008 22:22 GMT
#123
lol, this exercise is fun. I'm putting my spamming skills to the test, and I can see my macro getting a little bit better already.

By the way, APMAlert (in Chaoslauncher) is quite awesome. Especially with a funny alert sound.
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
April 02 2008 23:34 GMT
#124
On April 03 2008 07:22 Realpenguin wrote:
lol, this exercise is fun. I'm putting my spamming skills to the test, and I can see my macro getting a little bit better already.

By the way, APMAlert (in Chaoslauncher) is quite awesome. Especially with a funny alert sound.


That noise makes me wanna kill myself... I have to find a new one to put in it.
UNFUCK YOURSELF
iCCup.Trent
Profile Joined May 2005
Argentina450 Posts
April 05 2008 22:42 GMT
#125
THANK YOU, BLUE IRIS! :D It really helped me! I actually feel my improvement in-game. And I've only done it for 3 days...I will continue to do so until I see it doesn't go any further. Thanks again!
killanator
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States549 Posts
April 06 2008 01:49 GMT
#126
On April 03 2008 06:53 ZeroCartin wrote:
im starting this practice.. 2 games, but i get tired of spammin after a while. Im on 158 and 175 :p *my regular apm is about 130* gotta keep on making shortcuts and travel through different screens. And i noticed, that because of focusing on this, i kinda loose my objective on the strategy so


i think the idea is you focus ALL your energy on apm and mins at the beginning, dont worry about strategy at all and dont care if you lose(dont release the replays on the internets either XD that wud be humiliating) and then eventually your hand speed will be natural and you can worry about handy little things like strategy and micro later on

im guna be doing this plus some other exercises to test how it workls and may release a thread about it, what i plan on doing is for 4 days(during spring break) i will do 1 hour on the lt macro training map, 1 hour on ums micro training maps, and 3 hours or more on this. man tho its sort of a lame spring break thing to do but ive been busy and i want to be good before summer cuz then ill spend summer getting good and wont be good before sc2 comes out...
DJ, put it back on!
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 06 2008 02:07 GMT
#127
hey you know what's a good excercise for getting better at bw? play more games
1t2t3t4t5taw
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Andorra173 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-06 02:11:17
April 06 2008 02:10 GMT
#128
On April 06 2008 11:07 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey you know what's a good excercise for getting better at bw? play more games


More useful advice, cuz u know practicing shooting hoops in bball won't do anything, you can only improve accuracy with playing the game!!
afadf
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 06 2008 02:11 GMT
#129
I played a terran yesterday who was about D+ level, when I checked bwchart he had 220 apm, if you keep spamming like this you're become like him, spamming doesn't improve your micro or decision making, it just makes you feel like you're doing more stuff but you're not actually doing more stuff and just losing awareness because you're not looking at the minimap or thinking.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 06 2008 02:17 GMT
#130
On April 06 2008 11:10 1t2t3t4t5taw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2008 11:07 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey you know what's a good excercise for getting better at bw? play more games


More useful advice, cuz u know practicing shooting hoops in bball won't do anything, you can only improve accuracy with playing the game!!


Oh i'm sorry you're right, clicking fast is all you need to become a good bw player
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 06 2008 02:19 GMT
#131
On July 09 2007 23:38 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I believe this is a terrible way to boost your speed, your apm improves when your feel for the keyboard and mouse improves naturally after playing thousands of games. Trying to boost it artificially through spamming and playing the computer is awful for your development. When you play ladder, you'll encounter a lot of players who are average but later when you look at bwchart you'll notice they have 300-400 apm while their macro is still terrible. This is how you become one of those people.

Most of us can keep our money under 100/100 if we're attacked once every 15 minutes like you are if you're playing vs a computer. Your multitasking only improves if you're pressured constantly, not when there's no pressure. When you look at the bwchart of low apm players their graph spikes when there's a battle and they have to micro and build at the same time. Those moments are the only ones when multitasking matters. Rest of the time spamming can easily be replaced with awareness and constantly staring at the minimap. Anyways, sorry to be bashful but this really is a bad way to improve.


i posted this when i was playing 15 games a day, I don't think I can word it any better
Kula
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States140 Posts
April 06 2008 02:38 GMT
#132
Oh wow, calm down. Triple post.

If you don't like it, like you said in your first post, its okay, but why are you continually saying you don't like it?

On April 06 2008 11:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2008 11:10 1t2t3t4t5taw wrote:
On April 06 2008 11:07 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey you know what's a good excercise for getting better at bw? play more games


More useful advice, cuz u know practicing shooting hoops in bball won't do anything, you can only improve accuracy with playing the game!!


Oh i'm sorry you're right, clicking fast is all you need to become a good bw player

Just like shooting good doesnt make you good at basketball?
killanator
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States549 Posts
April 06 2008 02:55 GMT
#133
people are acting like he wants you to spam in real games, i think his idea is spam and increase your handspeed dramatically against comp and then not spam much past 2-3 min mark in normal ga,mes
DJ, put it back on!
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-06 03:40:56
April 06 2008 03:38 GMT
#134
does this really help? o yea can any1 here help me work my apm alert? some reason when i play on BW it leaves my sc and when i try single player it doesnt do the sound
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
April 06 2008 04:23 GMT
#135
eh, i wonder if people realize how slow progamers actually really play. the hotkeying and reactions are fast, but in terms of making meaningful actions it's not that fast. a helpful exercise in seeing this is watching fpvods with the lower part of the screen covered. don't pay attention to what is being hotkeyed, just pay attention to the main screen and their screen movements. it's very slow and calculated.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
April 06 2008 04:33 GMT
#136
yeah progamers are pretty slow at making meaningful actions that's why they have a calm 300~ apm and are the best in the world. They use their hotkeys to check production and move units etc, it's all calculated but it's also very fast.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
killanator
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States549 Posts
April 06 2008 05:05 GMT
#137
divinek let me back into clan gfaq channel plz!!!

on-topic: @darkmole: from what ive seen it works for some people and doesnt work for others, if you want to try be prepared for a lot of hard and boring training...i dont understand what types of problems you say your having
DJ, put it back on!
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-06 05:37:35
April 06 2008 05:35 GMT
#138
If you wanna play vs comps, try playing on islands, blizzard maps work fine, try for example you being terran vs 4 zergs (yeah 4 can be actually pretty hard), and each time try to finish the game faster, that should improve your multitask and macro significantly.

Or vs 1 comp, practice builds, make some of your own.

Imo playing vs people is still better though.

Oh yeah no battlecruisers allowed, stick to the usual units you would do
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
killanator
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States549 Posts
April 06 2008 05:40 GMT
#139
@cloud: i think that defeats the purpose of the exercise and is an overall bad idea, because it will force you to do bad builds and turtle
DJ, put it back on!
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-06 06:04:31
April 06 2008 06:00 GMT
#140
Unless you play on a standard map vs a toss or terran to practice builds like i said, they are irrelevant and unimportant for the point of my exercise, it does not force you to a high apm which i consider inecessary and not much helpful, it does help multitasking, macro, micro (on a level since youll be outnumbered in like every battle) and whats really important: stamina, you will need like 40 minutes or more to beat 4-5 comps on an island map and after 20 minutes you WILL feel the strain.

I guess you havent tried it but blizzard maps tend to have few minerals and sometimes only either a vespene geyser or a clump of badly placed minerals so you have to expo plenty of times, if you turtle too much you will starve to death and the comps are pretty agressive most of the times (they sometimes get buggy ) so you have to take care of all your bases constantly.

Also the main parts of the match up should be met, like mnm with tanks and vessels (and obviously dropships) vs pure zergs. Youre not practicing build orders in this thing.

Ps. i havent tried it but it seems impossible when you are zerg. Medics are imbalanced.

Besides, however you want to play (what you want to improve) is your choice, turtling and massing battlecruisers, instead of trying to give it your all with multiple drops of mnm and whatever, is similar to not spamming or keeping above 300 apm the whole game.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
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