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prosatan
Romania8680 Posts
On March 23 2020 20:20 Uldridge wrote: Isn't ensnare good vs stimmed marines also? This could be a win win. Just throw in a single queen in your control group of mutas and laugh at the struggle of those adrenaline junkies Of course it is a very good idea  One of the best attacks in the history of Broodwar ! | ||
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Amanebak
Czech Republic528 Posts
On March 23 2020 20:58 prosatan wrote: Of course it is a very good idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXchJwNYNj8 One of the best attacks in the history of Broodwar ! Haha and classic Fantasy GG timing. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On March 23 2020 20:58 prosatan wrote: Of course it is a very good idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXchJwNYNj8 One of the best attacks in the history of Broodwar ! I wonder why Queens are hardly used for ensnare. | ||
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Bonyth
Poland598 Posts
good job enlightening zergs :D | ||
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LML
Germany1789 Posts
On March 24 2020 04:21 Bonyth wrote: you can see the fruits of having a queen with your muta army at Zzzero channel right now: https://www.twitch.tv/zzzeropl good job enlightening zergs :D My first thought on seeing his move was "he must've seen the TL.net thread" :D | ||
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oshibori_probe
United States2935 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10382 Posts
On March 23 2020 12:40 Juanita wrote: Infested Terran's are useless. It takes a lot of gas to get them for little reward... Zero wants a talk with you. 100/50 is actually fairly cheap and only 1 supply is nice. You trade for one goon and you already have your money's worth right there. They're funky to use though since you should actually be targetting on the ground to explode them rathe than target on units where they might collide and not do anything before dying. If only they changed it so that when they died they would explode like banelings in sc2 I think they'd be used way more. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On March 24 2020 04:38 LML wrote: My first thought on seeing his move was "he must've seen the TL.net thread" :D I missed it. Were you referring to this eOnzErG vs TerrOr game? https://www.twitch.tv/videos/573689942 Do you mind providing me with a timestamp? Thanks | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
On March 24 2020 06:19 FlaShFTW wrote: Zero wants a talk with you. 100/50 is actually fairly cheap and only 1 supply is nice. You trade for one goon and you already have your money's worth right there. They're funky to use though since you should actually be targetting on the ground to explode them rathe than target on units where they might collide and not do anything before dying. If only they changed it so that when they died they would explode like banelings in sc2 I think they'd be used way more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaGtjWL5mZo&t=11m36s not sure if a ZvP is a great argument for the use of infested terrans since it's fully dependent on the map having a neutral CC IMO the only real use of infested terrans in a ZvT is with drop play. I imagine it only takes a few of them to kill a CC and a worker line. Otherwise they die too fast in a real battle. Even if you try doing moves with burrow/unburrow, the unit AI is too slow to finish the attack before dying. Although under dark swarm that could be a different story but zerglings work just fine in that scenario... But I have definitely wondered too why zergs don't get 1 or 2 queens, just to insta-kill a moderately damaged CC. Seems like a pretty big reward for a relatively small cost. | ||
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cRoSsy
66 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12032 Posts
On March 24 2020 17:25 cRoSsy wrote: how do you infest c.c when game is 50/50.... if you can infest c.c, then you can just bust the c.c with hydras or mutas. Terran doesnt wait for 5 seconds so they can be infested. maybe you can do that in the beg of the game if skill level difference is huge Its more for lategame when you're breaking expansions, I've seen a lot of games where zerg will barely not kill a CC and have to retreat, but in that time they could've infested the CC and Terran wouldn't have been able to repair it. | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
On March 23 2020 20:58 prosatan wrote: Of course it is a very good idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXchJwNYNj8 One of the best attacks in the history of Broodwar ! My favourite BW game of all time. | ||
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cRoSsy
66 Posts
On March 24 2020 18:22 Qikz wrote: Its more for lategame when you're breaking expansions, I've seen a lot of games where zerg will barely not kill a CC and have to retreat, but in that time they could've infested the CC and Terran wouldn't have been able to repair it. I dont know the situation you saw but i also often had to make decisions to force fire c.c to bust or infect or just fight with other units. If i have to force fire c.c with my hydras while my 1 group of hydras melt, i will just retreat. If i am so ahead that i can lose 2 groups of hydras by tanks, i will happily donate my hydras to infect c.c | ||
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LML
Germany1789 Posts
On March 24 2020 07:59 JieXian wrote: I missed it. Were you referring to this eOnzErG vs TerrOr game? https://www.twitch.tv/videos/573689942 Do you mind providing me with a timestamp? Thanks It's in game 1 (twice): around 22:30 and 24:00 | ||
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Bonyth
Poland598 Posts
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cRoSsy
66 Posts
On March 24 2020 22:22 Bonyth wrote: Sometimes ull attack with cracklings and defiler (late game) and very often terrans lift cc after it has taken some damage. Late games in a situation like you just demonstrated, zerg would infect c.c. But zerg doesnt bring queen to every harrass or attack since zerg doesnt expect to bust each base all the time, and that case queens will die by irradiate or gols. each queens is 100-100. Also, depends on the circumstances, but zerg tries to hide queens as long as they can. In late games, when i took 2 groups of queens to broodling and queens are there when c.c are damaged, i will defo infect c.c. However, i wouldnt take queens to every attempt of attack in order to infect c.c. Mech terrans lack of gas, not minerals. | ||
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MisterBoba
Russian Federation121 Posts
"Ok the infest terran. How many damage should it do?" "Idk fuck it 500 LOL" true story friends. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28788 Posts
Real cool to finally see some queen use outside broodling from progamers though. I used to stop attacking ccs when they got below 750 (if I didn't think I could fully kill it) because if it went below 500 and started burning, it would be more likely that terran would repair it. And I've won more than a handful of games through flying in a queen a minute after a battle ended and infesting the still not repaired cc. Seeing less of that these days though - terrans are getting better at anticipating the potential queen.  | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey694 Posts
On March 24 2020 09:09 blabber wrote: I have the same idea. Remember in the campaign, the Overmind considers Terrans an assimilated race. How would the Zerg Queen infest CC work in a pro game? If you can infest an expansion, the whole late game changes. You won't have to develop a Hive. I know ZvT is more defensive play until Ultralisks, but that is for frontal attacks which the Zerg never has to. The whole rock paper scissors concept of the game is to attack where the enemy is not defending. What if you never expected the game to reach late game? That would be a very characteristic Zerg rush. | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1537 Posts
Also indeed it's a TERRIBLE reason not to do it.. Especially since Zergs are getting slapped left, right and center. There's been countless times early mid game when Zerg is attacking 3rd and the Terran saves it half way.. It CAN be repaired before the infest takes place IF the Terran is fast enough. I respect players who use it wisely. Hell it can even be used for scouting! Like a slow fat Overlord... | ||
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