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Hello.
sorry for my bad english
Quite often in ZvT games(with pro-gamers: larva, Soma, SK etc.) I see the following.
Zerg player attacking the 2nd or 3rd expansion of the Terran with a large number of troops does not completely kill CC. Leaving him about 600 + / - life points.
Why they can 't I take 1 Queen (which is worth like 1 mutalisk) and infect CC at the end ?
Leaving CC to a Terran you leave it expandable, infecting CC you deprive the Terran of expandable.
Or am I wrong? If it was that easy, Zerg players would probably do it, they're not stupid))
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zergs use their instincts rather than brains, so u may be right )
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Zerg do infest CC, not so often but they actually do. Now 100 gas is very expansive when you are mining on 3 gas and you don't just make queen hopping you will infest a CC. So you will never see this during middle game. On top of that you almost always have to sacrifice some units in order to do that. By the time you have 4 bases you are usually way too busy to bother elaborating that kind of strategy and finally, infesting CC has never been a game changer.
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On March 22 2020 18:10 Bonyth wrote:
zergs use their instincts rather than brains, so u may be right )
that pretty much sums it up
On March 22 2020 18:57 iFU.pauline wrote:
Zerg do infest CC, not so often but they actually do. Now 100 gas is very expansive when you are mining on 3 gas and you don't just make queen hopping you will infest a CC. So you will never see this during middle game. On top of that you almost always have to sacrifice some units in order to do that. By the time you have 4 bases you are usually way too busy to bother elaborating that kind of strategy and finally, infesting CC has never been a game changer.
for the latter, you may want to consult with Savior and his late zvt/tvz games
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On March 22 2020 18:10 Bonyth wrote:
zergs use their instincts rather than brains, so u may be right )
lul gg 
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Sometimes Zergs don't even infest the CC even if a queen is on the map nearby. Most pro Zergs seem to forget it has that ability. There is no special reason why they don't do it. APM-wise, the effort is negligible.
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On March 22 2020 21:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Sometimes Zergs don't even infest the CC even if a queen is on the map nearby. Most pro Zergs seem to forget it has that ability. There is no special reason why they don't do it. APM-wise, the effort is negligible.
Exactly, no effort at all in fact! If the CC is damaged the queen will infest it even if you don't right click it. Just she has to be around and that's it !
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No. It's just Koreans tacit agreement. Not a good mannered to take CC.
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On March 22 2020 22:11 prosatan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2020 21:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Sometimes Zergs don't even infest the CC even if a queen is on the map nearby. Most pro Zergs seem to forget it has that ability. There is no special reason why they don't do it. APM-wise, the effort is negligible. Exactly, no effort at all in fact! If the CC is damaged the queen will infest it even if you don't right click it. Just she has to be around and that's it !
And you think Terran can't see it coming and respond appropriately? Then why don’t we see it at every single game? As if we waited for someone to enlighten us in 2020 that you can infest a CC with a queen so easily and that zerg are brain-damaged not to take advantage of it. That is not that reliable, if zerg would suddenly make it their favourite strategy you would never see again a Terran leaving a CC with low hp and that ends here. Sure on rare occasion it can be cool but we usually do it on the moment because the context allows it with a low risk factor.
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On March 22 2020 22:24 LaStScan wrote:
No. It's just Koreans tacit agreement. Not a good mannered to take CC.
Wait, is this serious? That's such an awful reason not to do it, infested ccs are cool as hell!
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On March 22 2020 23:40 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2020 22:24 LaStScan wrote:
No. It's just Koreans tacit agreement. Not a good mannered to take CC. Wait, is this serious? That's such an awful reason not to do it, infested ccs are cool as hell!
actually i think this is the main reason why you dont see infested cc often, players inherently seeing it as a BM funny move with no gameplay motive, like making manner buildings in opponent base when you are winning.
they never consider the possibility that in certain niche scenarios that arises where you have the opportunity to deliveer heavy pressure on a terran base its very effective way to take out a damaged cc quickly which might have otherwise escaped to safety due to the later impending reinforcements. in build orders where you get a queen nest anyway its only a 100/100 investment, 1 less muta yay. from a cost benefit analysis there is no reason not to build at least 1 queen in preparation for such a situation.
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There are several reasons for this: you cannot plan on attacking the base and getting the HP low enough every single time. It really depends on the game flow. Overcommitting just for the CC steal with a queen can lose you games: you may lose all your units, and the T just counter repairs if he sees the queen. And then you also need to make sure your queen is in range of the CC, while also not being in range of oncoming units or turrets. So you actually need to put much needed APM into managing your queen.
And if it were a common theme, the Terran would just use 1 irradiate for the 1 queen the Zergs make for infesting CCs.
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I feel like usually if you are at this point in the game as a Zerg, you have already won the game, although a sneak attack focusing a Terrans 3rd with a Queen would be cool too.
EDIT : I never knew about this Scan, that's an interesting statement...
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Infested terrans are pretty vulnerable. They die really easy, are difficult to control in a typical late game Z composition, and the work required to get them is pretty tedious.
That being said, I have grandiose images of loading an overlord with them and using them as bombs, dropping them in the T mineral lines or MnM ball :D
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Infested Terran's are useless. It takes a lot of gas to get them for little reward...
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Jealous
isn't that cool? ))
2 attack minus 2 expand for terran ^)))
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On March 23 2020 12:40 Juanita wrote:
Infested Terran's are useless. It takes a lot of gas to get them for little reward...
They're great in ZvP though!
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Isn't ensnare good vs stimmed marines also?
This could be a win win. Just throw in a single queen in your control group of mutas and laugh at the struggle of those adrenaline junkies
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Might be a decent idea with a small muta flock in the later stages of the game. One of the major problems with late game Zerg is the inability to deal with CCs just floating and surviving (because lings/lurkers/ultras don't attack up), and usually the handful of mutas I have just don't seem to kill the CC fast enough to even matter. Having one queen in the group might make a difference (though it would be really hard to remember this in the midst of doing so many other important things).
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