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[ASL9] Ro24 Preview Pt 2: Up in the Air

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[ASL9] Ro24 Preview Pt 2: Up in the Air

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February 22nd, 2020 01:11 GMT
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As we approach the second week of ASL Season 9, we enter into unknown territory. It's a bash between a handful of seasoned pros and a smattering of rookies and household names on military leave. While it can be easy to dismiss the rookies and base our predictions off the overall skill level of the players, the future remains uncertain, especially with how specifically Inner Coven is affecting the players.

Did you know that Spider Mines don't detonate under Disruption Web? Neither did Jyj until he had mined up an entire field with useless mines. Did you also know you could hold position zealots in the D-Web choke and indefinitely prevent lings from ever getting to the base? YSC inadvertently figured that out in his game against Larva. It's a wildcard map, and it's clear that the pros are still getting used to it, which means...upsets can and will happen! But who knows?

We might as well just sit back and enjoy the ride.


Table of contents

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  • Group C Preview
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  • Group D preview
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Video Recaps

Back-To-Back Upsets

Four players, each with their own circumstances that brought them here, collide in Group C. (Z)Soulkey and (T)Mong, both on leave from military service, make the cut for ASL9 alongside Ssinz and (T)firebathero, who both pulled off back-to-back upsets to qualify.

Soulkey, second only to Zero as far as sponmatch records are concerned, hasn't missed a beat since returning to the scene. Soulkey is red hot and maintaining a 71% win rate vs Protoss in February. He will make it near impossible for Ssinz to make it to the winners match and should be able to make short work of whichever Terran he faces afterwards.

Outside of qualifying for ASL9, 2020 has not been kind to Ssinz. Ranked 79th out of 85, he has produced terrible records versus Terrans (4-21) and Zergs (0-16) alike. In similar starleagues organized by Special41 for amateurs specifically, Ssinz failed to make it past the group stage twice. It was consecutive upsets against Sacsri then Oz that secured this Ro24 spot for him. If in any scenario Ssinz makes it to the Ro16 or beyond, it would be the biggest Cinderella story for the scene in a long time.

Mong has appeared in every ASL so far but has not made it past the group stage since Season 3. Maybe he will make the most of this extra opportunity. Mong historically is a weak TvT player and was eliminated just last season by Rush, but enough of a difference in skill exists between himself and FBH that it shouldn't be a problem. Being leagues better than Ssinz and FBH online, but still very much in the shadow of Soulkey in regards to this group make it likely that he'll come out second.

Finally, Firebathero has returned to ASL for the first time since Season 4. Like Ssinz, FBH performed back-to-back upsets against Rush and Larva to qualify. More of an entertainer than a progamer these days, FBH will often take missions from viewers asking him to do crazy things like play two ladder games simultaneously on separate monitors. Starting on Inner Coven will be good for his (2-port wraith) approach to the game, especially matched up against Mong. After that, we'll get to see if whatever practice he's been doing will allow him to nab another win.

(Z)Soulkey and (T)Mong to advance to the Ro16!


Group A Recap

TvT Fiesta

As we move into the second week of play, it seems like time has gone by so quickly already, but that momentum is going to come to a crawl with Group D aka “The Group of Terrans”. For the few oddballs out there who love TvT for its chess-like movement of siege tanks and minefields with scattered tactical drops and relentless scans, this is going to be a good group.

Group D features three well-rounded TvT players—(T)Mind, (T)Light, and (T)ForGG—and a rookie toss ironically named Sea. Let me start off by stating that (P)Sea.KH is definitely not making it out of this group (unless Mind’s TvP has deteriorated so badly that even the skill gap doesn’t matter). I’m all for rooting for the rookie, but in this case, the technical proficiency of his opponents is just way too high. This is a TvT group with the occasional TvP beatdown.

Of the three Terrans, I have to cast my vote for Light as the best overall, especially considering the shape he’s in since KSL. Known for his insane macro and relentless rally-style pushes, he can put a lot of pressure on his opponents while simultaneously expanding and gobbling up the map, both of which are prime components of TvT. However, there’s a possibility he might have issues on the first map, Inner Coven. As sort of an island map, dropship play is going to become much more important, and I don’t have that much faith in Light’s drop game. ForGG, on the other hand, is a monster with early micro-based aggression, so he could look to end the game early with some vulture drops into siege pushes. Should the game go late, Light definitely has the edge, but we’ve seen undetected doom drops end the game instantly before.

In my eyes, Mind is a coin toss. The Mind I remember from 2017 that won two Thrill Starleague tournaments over Last and Larva was efficient with razor sharp timings, solid macro, and big brain moves that did justice to his name. For a while, it seemed like his time had finally come, and then...nothing. He crashed and burned for most of 2018 and 2019, even failing to qualify for ASL a few times. So what’s going to happen this time? The answer is: “I don’t know.” I have no idea if Mind will show up or disappoint.

What I can say is that ForGG is a really solid TvT player, and his return to Brood War is exciting for me on many levels. His KSL performance against Light was surprisingly good, but it’s clear that he’s still rusty. Other than that, his results are abysmal, but I have high hopes for the once Tyrant-killer. I think that once he finds his groove again and breaks out his trademark early aggression, it’s going to be difficult for any Terran (or Zerg) to deal with him.

All in all, I have to give the prediction to Light and ForGG. I’m aware that nominating ForGG over Mind is optimistic, all things considered, but I don’t think Mind will ever reach the heights I dreamt he would, and this tournament is no different.

(T)Light and (T)ForGG to advance to the Ro16!






Writers: Long-Season, EsportsJohn
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Editors: EsportsJohn

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QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
February 22 2020 02:26 GMT
#2
I don't know how chess-like ForGG games will end up being... anyway, can't wait for Mind vs Brain.
SCTranslator
Profile Joined February 2020
Korea (South)40 Posts
February 22 2020 02:32 GMT
#3
firebathero is coming back!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNfJZSMtKXrAKfQ3vtgSo5g
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
February 22 2020 04:04 GMT
#4
^ 0:2 coming soon and so fast!
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-22 05:31:36
February 22 2020 05:25 GMT
#5
sea.kh pvt is pretty decent actually often employ aggressive yet effective shuttle bulldog tactics in his play which will be useful in this mappool (being a rabid fastest player really trains you for such). i watched some of his practice games against expros on stream and was quite impressed by his play.

its his pvz thats the real liability. not the favorite but he can definitely show good games against mind and forgg wouldn be surprised if he somehow came through
CeJo
Profile Joined June 2019
11 Posts
February 22 2020 18:40 GMT
#6
I read before that Soulkey came back for financial reassons, but does it means he is working and just a part time pro gamer currently?
Anyways, as a Soulkey fan, I hope he gets good results on this ASL.
gbrutuss
Profile Joined February 2020
9 Posts
February 22 2020 18:49 GMT
#7
As stated, Mind is a coin toss but I honestly hope he pulls through over forGG, he's definitely capable of doing so, mainly because of forGG being rusty still.

Once forGG gets back in the groove he'll be scary, but that won't be happening now afaik.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 22 2020 20:57 GMT
#8
Nothing makes me smile more than forcing Terrans to play on Inner Coven. Can't wait to see 5 of them in the next two groups.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
February 23 2020 01:39 GMT
#9
On February 23 2020 03:40 CeJo wrote:
I read before that Soulkey came back for financial reassons, but does it means he is working and just a part time pro gamer currently?
Anyways, as a Soulkey fan, I hope he gets good results on this ASL.


Soulkey's "job" is streaming every day and competing. He's basically doing for the money, since he got his savings stolen.
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Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States364 Posts
February 23 2020 04:40 GMT
#10
i like the note about fbh being an entertainer now haha, i dont watch his stream but his viewer requests sound hilarious.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50577 Posts
February 23 2020 05:52 GMT
#11
On February 23 2020 10:39 Chris_Havoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2020 03:40 CeJo wrote:
I read before that Soulkey came back for financial reassons, but does it means he is working and just a part time pro gamer currently?
Anyways, as a Soulkey fan, I hope he gets good results on this ASL.


Soulkey's "job" is streaming every day and competing. He's basically doing for the money, since he got his savings stolen.


his parents got scammed.
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