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Pylon Show Interview with Grant Davies

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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51502 Posts
October 18 2019 06:17 GMT
#1
I figured this is big enough of an interview to deserve its own thread/discussion.

01. 00:00:09 Special Episode Interview with Grant Davies
02. 00:01:43 Whats happening with the Group Matchmaking timeline
03. 00:04:05 Challenges of implementing all the new content and upgrades
04. 00:08:10 How to balance game MMR vs Location for matchmaking
05. 00:11:12 How does the point system really work
06. 00:13:58 What is involved in picking the ladder map pools
07. 00:18:07 Teasers of upcoming changes, content and updates
08. 00:20:42 Newly found bugs and what's being done about them
09. 00:27:41 How much more popular did SC1 become after SC:R was released
10. 00:29:06 Journey to becoming a programmer & What it takes to be a game dev
11. 00:31:17 Thoughts on the state of the Korean scene
12. 00:34:30 Thanks to Grant for joining us
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Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
October 18 2019 07:16 GMT
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-18 07:24:02
October 18 2019 07:23 GMT
#3
Was a great episode.
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Alfonso
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Last Edited: 2019-10-18 08:10:14
October 18 2019 08:06 GMT
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33493 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-18 11:52:18
October 18 2019 11:51 GMT
#5
Aw, I was hoping for a more solid estimation of SC:R's affect on Brood War, but I guess the data is hard to come by. PC bang usage time metrics (limited, but basically the only publicly available stat in Korea) suggest Brood War's slooooooow, decades-long decline has stalled with the release of SC:R, so that supports the idea that it had an important stabilizing effect.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50592 Posts
October 18 2019 12:04 GMT
#6
On October 18 2019 17:06 Alfonso wrote:
Wonder what his MMR is

why?
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Q~Bert
Profile Joined June 2006
United States663 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-18 12:53:43
October 18 2019 12:51 GMT
#7
Was Rapid included for filler?

Nice interview. I enjoy that Brood War is a small enough scene where it's possible to personally coordinate with the project lead.
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Alfonso
Profile Joined October 2019
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Last Edited: 2019-10-18 18:10:13
October 18 2019 18:07 GMT
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jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5520 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-18 19:47:30
October 18 2019 19:34 GMT
#9
On October 18 2019 21:51 Q~Bert wrote:
Was Rapid included for filler?

Nice interview. I enjoy that Brood War is a small enough scene where it's possible to personally coordinate with the project lead.

Rapid needs to try and make his questions a bit more concise imo. Case in point: at the start grant talks for about a minute and a half about matchmaking, rapid then goes on for about 4 minutes while not really adding anything before finally getting to his question. Not a huge deal just a minor observation.
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Alfonso
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October 18 2019 20:04 GMT
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outscar
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2832 Posts
October 18 2019 22:53 GMT
#11
It's always nice having Rapid around not just for filler, guy's knowledge increased tremendously. It doesn't matter what answers Grant gave - we already know we're not going to get team matchmaking. Honestly, game could be ten times more successful and popular if they first finished 2x2 and then publish it, even if the launch was on 2020. After hype is over, majority is gone, I don't believe even having 2x2 later on will bring players back.
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10684 Posts
October 18 2019 23:22 GMT
#12
On October 19 2019 07:53 outscar wrote:
It's always nice having Rapid around not just for filler, guy's knowledge increased tremendously. It doesn't matter what answers Grant gave - we already know we're not going to get team matchmaking. Honestly, game could be ten times more successful and popular if they first finished 2x2 and then publish it, even if the launch was on 2020. After hype is over, majority is gone, I don't believe even having 2x2 later on will bring players back.

That's a really positive outlook that you have there...Actually I am pretty sure once the team matchmaking is released, it will bring back a lot of players and new ones regardless of the time it is released lol
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Alfonso
Profile Joined October 2019
14 Posts
October 19 2019 02:26 GMT
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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
October 19 2019 04:51 GMT
#14
Still excited for team matchmaking. Before SC:R released, I started playing a few 2v2s every night with an old friend from the brood war days, and it's really made me remember how good BW team games actually are. Hope it comes early in 2020, been waiting 2 years! :D
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Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
October 19 2019 13:00 GMT
#15
Just call it SC:R Team Edition, whole "new release", new hype
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1836 Posts
October 19 2019 23:26 GMT
#16
On October 18 2019 20:51 Waxangel wrote:
Aw, I was hoping for a more solid estimation of SC:R's affect on Brood War, but I guess the data is hard to come by. PC bang usage time metrics (limited, but basically the only publicly available stat in Korea) suggest Brood War's slooooooow, decades-long decline has stalled with the release of SC:R, so that supports the idea that it had an important stabilizing effect.

for now. we'll have to see how more and more top pros leaving for military service will affect this situation.
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
October 20 2019 01:43 GMT
#17
^^
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4227 Posts
October 20 2019 07:42 GMT
#18
Interesting stuff, thanks.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4361 Posts
October 20 2019 07:56 GMT
#19
On October 19 2019 22:00 Freakling wrote:
Just call it SC:R Team Edition, whole "new release", new hype

Team matchmaking DLC, only $4.99 extra...
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elluel
Profile Joined October 2019
62 Posts
October 21 2019 22:34 GMT
#20
What is team matchmaking exactly? They never delved into this.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10245 Posts
October 22 2019 03:00 GMT
#21
On October 22 2019 07:34 elluel wrote:
What is team matchmaking exactly? They never delved into this.

2v2 Ladder.
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zenist
Profile Joined July 2019
30 Posts
October 22 2019 16:13 GMT
#22
Heartwarming stats that BW playerbase doubled after Remastered!
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MrFreeman
Profile Joined January 2015
207 Posts
October 22 2019 17:34 GMT
#23
On October 22 2019 12:00 Jealous wrote:
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On October 22 2019 07:34 elluel wrote:
What is team matchmaking exactly? They never delved into this.

2v2 Ladder.


Wait, that doesn't exist? Or does it just average the MMR of you and your partner, regardless of random/premade? I've thought that the reason to have separate 2vs2 team in the ladder tab of a profile is to assign a MMR to each one.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10245 Posts
October 22 2019 23:05 GMT
#24
On October 23 2019 02:34 MrFreeman wrote:
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On October 22 2019 12:00 Jealous wrote:
On October 22 2019 07:34 elluel wrote:
What is team matchmaking exactly? They never delved into this.

2v2 Ladder.


Wait, that doesn't exist? Or does it just average the MMR of you and your partner, regardless of random/premade? I've thought that the reason to have separate 2vs2 team in the ladder tab of a profile is to assign a MMR to each one.

It doesn't exist.
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
October 22 2019 23:42 GMT
#25
On October 19 2019 08:22 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2019 07:53 outscar wrote:
It's always nice having Rapid around not just for filler, guy's knowledge increased tremendously. It doesn't matter what answers Grant gave - we already know we're not going to get team matchmaking. Honestly, game could be ten times more successful and popular if they first finished 2x2 and then publish it, even if the launch was on 2020. After hype is over, majority is gone, I don't believe even having 2x2 later on will bring players back.

That's a really positive outlook that you have there...Actually I am pretty sure once the team matchmaking is released, it will bring back a lot of players and new ones regardless of the time it is released lol

I wouldn't hold my breath, the Carbot skin had a ton of hype and now almost noone is even using it, it had no impact. I expect something similar for 2v2 ladder.
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Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1012 Posts
October 23 2019 01:56 GMT
#26
Very cool interview. Loved the part about the new bugs.
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
October 23 2019 05:15 GMT
#27
On October 23 2019 08:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2019 08:22 GGzerG wrote:
On October 19 2019 07:53 outscar wrote:
It's always nice having Rapid around not just for filler, guy's knowledge increased tremendously. It doesn't matter what answers Grant gave - we already know we're not going to get team matchmaking. Honestly, game could be ten times more successful and popular if they first finished 2x2 and then publish it, even if the launch was on 2020. After hype is over, majority is gone, I don't believe even having 2x2 later on will bring players back.

That's a really positive outlook that you have there...Actually I am pretty sure once the team matchmaking is released, it will bring back a lot of players and new ones regardless of the time it is released lol

I wouldn't hold my breath, the Carbot skin had a ton of hype and now almost noone is even using it, it had no impact. I expect something similar for 2v2 ladder.


The skin was a gimmick, the ladder used to be an essential part of the community in leagues and ladders. It would theoretically be one of the few things that might motivate me to casually play the game again. A skin on the other hand never would.
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2609 Posts
October 23 2019 05:41 GMT
#28
On October 23 2019 08:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2019 08:22 GGzerG wrote:
On October 19 2019 07:53 outscar wrote:
It's always nice having Rapid around not just for filler, guy's knowledge increased tremendously. It doesn't matter what answers Grant gave - we already know we're not going to get team matchmaking. Honestly, game could be ten times more successful and popular if they first finished 2x2 and then publish it, even if the launch was on 2020. After hype is over, majority is gone, I don't believe even having 2x2 later on will bring players back.

That's a really positive outlook that you have there...Actually I am pretty sure once the team matchmaking is released, it will bring back a lot of players and new ones regardless of the time it is released lol

I wouldn't hold my breath, the Carbot skin had a ton of hype and now almost noone is even using it, it had no impact. I expect something similar for 2v2 ladder.


What hype? I LITERALLY do not know ANYONE that wished for the comic skin. Everyone was like "Comic skin? I dont care". I bought it to support Blizzard and in the vain hope for a faster team matchmaking, but actually using the comic skin for competetive gameplay? Hell no, lmao.

On the other hand, I know from several people (myself included) that they are desperately waiting for team matchmaking. But will the 2on2 ladder have an actual impact on player base? Probably not, but it is still a feature that they should have included with the release of the project...

Can't kill the only place with a 2v2 ladder (ICCup) and then never release a proper replacement. That is just BS.
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