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exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
May 29 2007 04:42 GMT
#1
After viewing the commentaries on YouTube, I'd like to contribute a few of my own. I think superiorwolf is good, but I would like to cater my VODs to the medium level player looking for the reasoning behind strategical decisions. (therefore no commentary about why the Terran walls in TvP)

I don't know the software needed to start doing these, so I would like help with this. Also, I would like recommendations for VODs to commentate on (preferably a TvP or TvZ) (and where I can get the videos)!

Thanks - I want to get to this ASAP!
too easy
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
May 29 2007 04:58 GMT
#2
"I created VOD commentaries using the programs Camtasia and VirtualDub, and currently use Audacity and Windows Movie Maker in order to record over Korean VODs." -superiorwolf

;D!!
Hates Fun🤔
Sadir
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Vatican City State1176 Posts
May 29 2007 05:29 GMT
#3
VOD commentary by exalted would be awesome
he knows a lot about the game
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
May 29 2007 05:34 GMT
#4
Whoa, deja vu.

http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=54066
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
May 29 2007 06:01 GMT
#5
I'm in support of this. Some advice I learned from AfterBurn (who used to be a commentator for TSN and was training me to do the same):

- Always keep talking. You never want dead air, ever. Dead air is bad. It's okay to have dramatic pauses which you can use to collect your thoughts, though. If there's nothing really happening, you can talk about the players, the league format, previous games on the same map, what's at stake, there's really no end to what you can talk about.
- Some babbling is okay but be careful about repeating yourself. One common mistake casters make is they'll say "the zealots of Kim Dong Soo" "the dragoons of Kim Dong Soo" "the probes of Kim Dong Soo" etc.
- Don't constantly mention units by their full names. While it's somewhat okay to say "Ultralisk" when you could shorten it to "Ultra", don't say "Zerg Ultralisk" please. This is my own personal input because AfterBurn used to do this and it drove me nuts. "And there goes the Protoss Probe of Kim Dong Soo!"
- Another hard part is commenting on what is actually happening during a battle. You have to be able to notice and react to little things the players are doing. "You can see how Kim Dong Soo is targeting the center of those Zealots with his Reaver for maximum splash damage, great play!" is a good thing to say.
- When battles heat up, intensify your voice. Part of the magic of commentators is they have the ability to amplify the effect of what's happening on the screen. If a huge battle is happening and you're not enthused, most of that magic is lost.
- Periodically take the time to identify strategic changes and adaptations the players are making. Something like "Kim Dong Soo's Dragoon numbers are slipping, it seems he's saving up resources to switch to Carriers".
- Excitement is top priority. You can provide insightful commentary but it must never replace the excitement factor. I don't know if I personally agree with this but for the average person it's better to have Um Jae Kyung talking than Kim Dong Soo.
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-29 06:15:29
May 29 2007 06:05 GMT
#6
Man i miss the commentary/rep combos. I used to get excited downloading them and learning what was "actually" going on. I think mani's deep man voice destroyed my sub
Bodom_Night
Profile Joined April 2007
United States33 Posts
May 29 2007 06:37 GMT
#7
yea im new to starcraft and was wondering if there was any of these and if there was any place that has them and posts them?
jjl
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States85 Posts
May 29 2007 08:15 GMT
#8
I think the English commentary we've seen so far is lacking in the number of commentators each match. It's hard to get more people to do it, but I noticed that there's no "dead air" in the Korean videos because when they speak, they speak as if they're talking to each other, not the viewer. So it feels more like a conversation (an exciting conversation)
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
May 29 2007 08:18 GMT
#9
so we should have group commentary. o i c.
555, kthxbai
ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
May 29 2007 08:22 GMT
#10
If you have nothing to say, make that weird throat sound the Korean commentators do.. even though apparently they do it for a reason.
Professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first analrapist.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
May 29 2007 08:26 GMT
#11
On May 29 2007 17:15 jjl wrote:
I think the English commentary we've seen so far is lacking in the number of commentators each match. It's hard to get more people to do it, but I noticed that there's no "dead air" in the Korean videos because when they speak, they speak as if they're talking to each other, not the viewer. So it feels more like a conversation (an exciting conversation)

Thats why the Day/Nony commentaries for Bisu vs Savior were pure win.
RebelHeart
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
New Zealand722 Posts
May 29 2007 09:23 GMT
#12
Please include much swearing in your commentaries, it makes it funnier. Cheers.
"Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbour as you love yourself. If you do these things you're doing well" - Phil Joel
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-29 09:51:20
May 29 2007 09:49 GMT
#13
mmm I'd definitely go with replays, not vods. Or fpvod+replay. And like you said, "commentaries" where we're just told extremely basic information or even just what's going on are pretty lame. I'd like to hear more insight on the reasons behind desicions, predictions, build matchups, positional advantage, and suggestions for how the game could be played better.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
May 29 2007 09:54 GMT
#14
exalted, you will need these things:

Microphone
Audacity (for recording audio)
and a VOD to watch while recording.

Then combine them with with WMM.


If you want to commentate on replays, you must use Camtasia Studio
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
May 29 2007 10:39 GMT
#15
On May 29 2007 13:42 exalted wrote:
After viewing the commentaries on YouTube, I'd like to contribute a few of my own. I think superiorwolf is good, but I would like to cater my VODs to the medium level player looking for the reasoning behind strategical decisions. (therefore no commentary about why the Terran walls in TvP)

I don't know the software needed to start doing these, so I would like help with this. Also, I would like recommendations for VODs to commentate on (preferably a TvP or TvZ) (and where I can get the videos)!

Thanks - I want to get to this ASAP!


Do you have a sexy/manly voice? I want to hear the English Mantoss
^-^
ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
May 29 2007 10:55 GMT
#16
He'd have to play protss not terran then
Professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first analrapist.
XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
May 29 2007 11:15 GMT
#17
We should all linkup overskype and do a double or tripple commentating action!
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
May 29 2007 11:34 GMT
#18
On May 29 2007 20:15 XCetron wrote:
We should all linkup overskype and do a double or tripple commentating action!

I've been preaching this for a while. I think theres just been a lack of initiative to get it running/figuring out timings. Please do one, even if it's noobtacular it would still be cool to hear a few tlnetters hammering on about a rep
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 29 2007 11:46 GMT
#19
FINALLY I TOO WILL DEFEAT REKRUL
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
May 29 2007 12:08 GMT
#20
yea! link up and do commentary. i'm down with that.
555, kthxbai
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
May 30 2007 04:42 GMT
#21
I just made the first part of a commentary on Zergman vs Iris on Hitchhiker
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-147395580961109154&hl=en

Commentating is definitely harder than expected :o
too easy
ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
May 30 2007 05:59 GMT
#22
thats pretty sexy exalted.
Professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first analrapist.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9107 Posts
May 30 2007 06:12 GMT
#23
yeah, I just watched/listend to it and it was pretty good especially for a first attempt.
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
May 30 2007 06:13 GMT
#24
SPOILER WARNING REGARDING THE Iris vs Zergman GAME

I liked the commentary. I especially liked the the more indepth comments. I think you should really focus on those comments as it seems to be your main strength as a commentator. For instance, during the bunkerrush you basically said one this: "I think Zerg will be able to survive, at the cost of many drones". Where the commentators would go berserk and scream a lot, you remained calm and focussed on the outcome of the battle.

Some constructive critique:

- You are often breathing / blowing in your microphone and this makes it hard to hear what you are doing.

- The original sound is still there in the background and since your speech isn't very loud, I often find it hard to hear exactly what you are saying. If you want to keep the original sound for background noice that's ok, but please put the volume of your recording up.

- There were a number of comments that didn't really enlight anything. If you can, please stick to the strategy/tactics comments as I think it's where your commentary really shines.

- Preparation is key. I know you wanted to test out your commentating skills ex official, so this comment isn't really directed towards you, but a good commentator is a prepared commentator. Not knowing that the map was hitchhiker for instance or not telling the audience what the stakes of the game are is not going to help the audience in getting in to the commentary or the game for that matter.

All in all, good commentary with stronger points and weaker points. Looking forward to the next one.
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-30 06:39:42
May 30 2007 06:39 GMT
#25
I watched it. You sound a lot less arrogant than I expected

Good commentaries too compared to others I've seen
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NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
May 30 2007 06:45 GMT
#26
On May 29 2007 20:34 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2007 20:15 XCetron wrote:
We should all linkup overskype and do a double or tripple commentating action!

I've been preaching this for a while. I think theres just been a lack of initiative to get it running/figuring out timings. Please do one, even if it's noobtacular it would still be cool to hear a few tlnetters hammering on about a rep

Actually, me + 2 friends have been talking about doing this lately.
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EssentialVitamins
Profile Joined February 2007
United States27 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-30 10:07:24
May 30 2007 10:06 GMT
#27
Aarrrrrghh, exalted why did you post the first half of a commentary?

>:O

I wanna see the rest. By the way, your commentary style is informative and you have a good voice.

But seriously, post the rest >:o
ANDMINERALS
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
May 30 2007 11:09 GMT
#28
that blowing into the mic was pretty annoying, but otherwise great job!!
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
May 30 2007 11:21 GMT
#29
wtf, post the 2nd vid!
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
May 30 2007 14:12 GMT
#30
gj for ur first VoD commentary. =)
555, kthxbai
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 30 2007 22:23 GMT
#31
Wheres part two? :[

P.S Is your pronunciation of "often" correct in America, or did you not pay attention in English class? (The "t" is supposed to be silent; here, at least.)
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
May 30 2007 23:25 GMT
#32
WOW SEXY VOICE <33

I like your style of commentating, although I'd like some "GEEEE GEEEEEE" and "AHHHHH DEFENSIVE MATREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX"es somewhere in the middle
^-^
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
May 30 2007 23:27 GMT
#33
On May 30 2007 15:39 jtan wrote:
I watched it. You sound a lot less arrogant than I expected

Good commentaries too compared to others I've seen


Hehe I would think Exalted would do much better than superiorwolf, but that's just my two cents; I'm not starting a flame war here, or trying to.
^-^
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
May 31 2007 00:56 GMT
#34
Thanks everybody for the support. I will make a MP3 of the Nada vs Bisu game on Longinus, so you guys can watch the replay and sync it with with audio.
too easy
1sd2sd3sd
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
660 Posts
May 31 2007 01:06 GMT
#35
gj exalted, its good to hear commentary from a good player
Fenneth
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia354 Posts
May 31 2007 01:51 GMT
#36
Nice, exalted. Really enjoyable. Looking forward to the second half.

exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
May 31 2007 02:00 GMT
#37
Here is the MP3 available for download for the Nada vs Bisu Game 1:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/hq38z6

Basically, open Brood War, open to the replay, and then wait for me to say "Start Game", then the audio and replay will be in sync!
too easy
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-31 02:39:59
May 31 2007 02:12 GMT
#38
Okay i'm going to throw some constructive criticism here exalted (Yeah, not goign to flame you for once).


You should have mentioned that Zergman took time to kill Iris bunker after killing the marines. This was a poor choice imo, because it gave time for iris to pull his scvs at the ramp ad build 2 extra marines. Without those scvs and by attack-moving on the running scv Zergman could have finished the game right there. Instead Zergman decided not to focus on his units and start to macro, when he had a game breaking moment in his hand. You can notice his zerglings where on attack command on a running SCV. The SCV actually escaped, if erg man microed that he could have got some important kills at that stage of the game.

Also when you said Iris had the upper hand, i disagree. At that point of the game Iris was not going to come out. Zergman saw his marine count, and he got many scvs killed in that push. Zergman not only had more drones, but 2 hatcheries to produce them. While Iris had only 1 CC. Zergman didn't need to use his larvae to make units, because a ramp break with that scv block would be quite a gamble. And he had enough zerglings to stop that marine force if iris decided to attack his marines would die to zerglings. (or Zergman could just run back and sunk, what is exactly what he does later on).

I think Zergman's mistake was making assumptions on iris game plan. He felt like Iris would Expo right after the expo push. In that assumption he had careless unit control in middle suiciding lots of zerglings and he though he would get iris totally off-guard with the backdoor lurkers. That were his stupid mistakes imo.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
May 31 2007 02:12 GMT
#39
Agree on the rest though.
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exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-31 02:24:12
May 31 2007 02:20 GMT
#40
I thought that Zergman had the upperhand until I saw his drone count - although he has two hatcheries this is kind of irrelevant as Iris does not use his CC for Marines. Losing that many drones = hurt badly, although Iris lost a lot of SCVs. Overall pretty even, I suppose.
too easy
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
May 31 2007 02:38 GMT
#41
But even if iris doesn't use his cc for marines, i gave the reasons why Zergman didnt need his larvae for zerglings.
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