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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
October 16 2018 12:09 GMT
#21
The big thing is that people don't realise how hard it actually is to go and be a caster out in Korea if you're not obscenely rich already or don't mind living for a while in poor conditions (like tasteless and artosis did). It's the reason why all the casters cast multiple games, the money isn't really there to sustain yourself just casting one game.

Like if I had money I'd love to go live and cast in Korea, especially something like MPL because Proleague was the big thing that got me into the game. Sadly for me it just isn't financially viable for me and honestly I don't even know if I'd be any good. The fact people like NoRegret and Rapid (Rapid I love unconditionally) go to Korea and work so damn hard is something a lot of people really don't appreciate as much as they should.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
angrypofke
Profile Joined March 2017
Lithuania174 Posts
October 16 2018 12:31 GMT
#22
On October 16 2018 21:09 Qikz wrote:
The big thing is that people don't realise how hard it actually is to go and be a caster out in Korea if you're not obscenely rich already or don't mind living for a while in poor conditions (like tasteless and artosis did). It's the reason why all the casters cast multiple games, the money isn't really there to sustain yourself just casting one game.

Like if I had money I'd love to go live and cast in Korea, especially something like MPL because Proleague was the big thing that got me into the game. Sadly for me it just isn't financially viable for me and honestly I don't even know if I'd be any good. The fact people like NoRegret and Rapid (Rapid I love unconditionally) go to Korea and work so damn hard is something a lot of people really don't appreciate as much as they should.


Holy shit, Qikz casting MPL!!! That would be beyond epic!
Dude, maybe find an English teaching job in Korea? British accent is in demand, cuz of game of thrones and stuff. And do bw casting as parttime
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50585 Posts
October 16 2018 13:02 GMT
#23
still waiting for people to crowdfund nyoken to korea.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-17 03:34:23
October 17 2018 03:34 GMT
#24
Can we appreciate Shinhan Bank for being such an awesome company? If you're in Korea make sure to sign up for their lucky box event for a chance to win a car at http://goo.gl/nmChAa !

This message was sponsored by Shinhan Bank™.

...

No but in all seriousness, thank you Shinhan, thank you Brittney, thank you Gamst, and thank you everyone else who sponsored this teamleague. Also thank you to all the crazy number of viewers (especially China, where MPL was hugely popular) that allowed this to happen.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
Yanokabo
Profile Joined October 2018
268 Posts
October 17 2018 03:53 GMT
#25
I would be down to try my tounge in commentating some of this mpl but it would have to be on stream or via YouTube way as moving to Seoul just for this isn’t a viable option right now.
AntiHack
Profile Joined January 2009
Switzerland553 Posts
October 17 2018 11:22 GMT
#26
On October 17 2018 12:34 RWLabs wrote:
Can we appreciate Shinhan Bank for being such an awesome company? If you're in Korea make sure to sign up for their lucky box event for a chance to win a car at http://goo.gl/nmChAa !

This message was sponsored by Shinhan Bank™.

...

No but in all seriousness, thank you Shinhan, thank you Brittney, thank you Gamst, and thank you everyone else who sponsored this teamleague. Also thank you to all the crazy number of viewers (especially China, where MPL was hugely popular) that allowed this to happen.

Do Chinese ppl watch BW on Afreeca or in some other platform/site?
"I am very tired of your grammar errors" - Zoler[MB]
tub74557
Profile Joined November 2014
China25 Posts
October 18 2018 01:41 GMT
#27
On October 17 2018 12:34 RWLabs wrote:
Can we appreciate Shinhan Bank for being such an awesome company? If you're in Korea make sure to sign up for their lucky box event for a chance to win a car at http://goo.gl/nmChAa !

This message was sponsored by Shinhan Bank™.

...

No but in all seriousness, thank you Shinhan, thank you Brittney, thank you Gamst, and thank you everyone else who sponsored this teamleague. Also thank you to all the crazy number of viewers (especially China, where MPL was hugely popular) that allowed this to happen.


You must be smoking something really bad to think MPL is popular in China.

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AntiHack
Profile Joined January 2009
Switzerland553 Posts
October 18 2018 14:35 GMT
#28
Go Cadenzie!! :D
"I am very tired of your grammar errors" - Zoler[MB]
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51497 Posts
October 18 2018 14:40 GMT
#29
On October 16 2018 22:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:
still waiting for people to crowdfund nyoken to korea.


doesn't nyoken have a fear of flying or has he gotten over that?
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RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-22 04:16:07
October 22 2018 04:13 GMT
#30
On October 18 2018 10:41 tub74557 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2018 12:34 RWLabs wrote:
Can we appreciate Shinhan Bank for being such an awesome company? If you're in Korea make sure to sign up for their lucky box event for a chance to win a car at http://goo.gl/nmChAa !

This message was sponsored by Shinhan Bank™.

...

No but in all seriousness, thank you Shinhan, thank you Brittney, thank you Gamst, and thank you everyone else who sponsored this teamleague. Also thank you to all the crazy number of viewers (especially China, where MPL was hugely popular) that allowed this to happen.


You must be smoking something really bad to think MPL is popular in China.



~150 000 Chinese viewers, which was about a third of the Korean counterpart for Brittney's broadcast. How much bigger should the audience be before it's considered popular?

Though weed is now legal in Canada, so I could be smoking something really bad regardless.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
November 04 2018 11:23 GMT
#31
official logo for season 2:

[image loading]

qualified female BJs:

사랑e (Protoss) - http://afreecatv.com/sr629
꼬니부깅 (Protoss) - http://afreecatv.com/kitty1029
또봉순 (Zerg) - http://afreecatv.com/simcheong23
남덕선 (Zerg) - http://afreecatv.com/rnaqpdrjf

All the qualifier games are up on Britney's youtube. Do yourself a favour and don't even think about watching them.



WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
November 22 2018 04:22 GMT
#32
So there was hope I could cast this, but I'm told by Afreeca that Britney is...hard to contact. Apparently they have tried a couple times and haven't heard back. Cadenzie confirms the same in terms of getting ahold of him. Afreeca is okay with me casting, but I would need to know from Britney.

I figured I'd throw this out there if anyone has a way of getting in touch with him where he might respond,
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
November 22 2018 07:26 GMT
#33
On October 15 2018 18:05 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2018 16:50 kogeT wrote:
Britney is basicially a korean version of Qikz.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


Difference is Britney is actually popular haha.

Well this is sick news to me. Proleague was always the best part of professional Broodwar and I'm glad to see it returning in such a manner. Hopefully the old SKT guys get back together and form a team and coorce Fantasy and oov to come on board.


It's always about Fantasy isn't it
Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
CadenZie
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)545 Posts
November 22 2018 08:34 GMT
#34
i sent him a message about it and he did respond but hasn't confirmed permission or not yet.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
November 22 2018 11:42 GMT
#35
On November 22 2018 16:26 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2018 18:05 Qikz wrote:
On October 15 2018 16:50 kogeT wrote:
Britney is basicially a korean version of Qikz.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


Difference is Britney is actually popular haha.

Well this is sick news to me. Proleague was always the best part of professional Broodwar and I'm glad to see it returning in such a manner. Hopefully the old SKT guys get back together and form a team and coorce Fantasy and oov to come on board.


It's always about Fantasy isn't it


Everything is about FanTaSy.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
zerglingling
Profile Joined April 2018
131 Posts
November 22 2018 13:36 GMT
#36
On October 15 2018 16:58 Ziggy wrote:
Shame they're still opting to include female streamers. I understand the idea behind the publicity stunt, hope they garner enough attention to do away with that in the seasons to follow, though :d

What's wrong with testing the coaching abilities of the team? It's called a team for a reason. If the girl match is another point that could win you a series, you'll actually want this player on your team to improve.
If the ranking was separate for those matches, then they would actually become a meaningless, token event and there would be no team interaction involved. It's better this way.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
November 22 2018 17:37 GMT
#37
On November 22 2018 17:34 CadenZie wrote:
i sent him a message about it and he did respond but hasn't confirmed permission or not yet.


Oh well that's better than nothing. Fingers crossed!

EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
November 22 2018 18:22 GMT
#38
Brittney's reasons for adding female gamers was apparently to induct more players. A casual watcher looks at ex-progamers duking it out and sees something they couldn't do in a million years. Whereas seeing non-progamer females play amazing games could get them to ask 'Could I do that?' and try it out themselves.

Also, eyeballs.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
November 22 2018 20:27 GMT
#39
On November 22 2018 22:36 zerglingling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2018 16:58 Ziggy wrote:
Shame they're still opting to include female streamers. I understand the idea behind the publicity stunt, hope they garner enough attention to do away with that in the seasons to follow, though :d

What's wrong with testing the coaching abilities of the team? It's called a team for a reason. If the girl match is another point that could win you a series, you'll actually want this player on your team to improve.
If the ranking was separate for those matches, then they would actually become a meaningless, token event and there would be no team interaction involved. It's better this way.


How is it better to have one shite game per match as opposed to having an extra set of actual pros playing?

You're implying the best of the best can't improve, ie they're flawless. The skill ceiling can always be raised and that is pretty much the whole point behind the idea of teamhouses and coaches - for players to improve through interaction. What's the point of wasting resources on female streamers who only got into StarCraft cause there was money to be made? I'd rather the competition had a rookie match, with teams coming together to inject new blood into the scene (with players who show actual promise, not C- scrubs like them streamers)

As I said, I hope MPL does well enough for Britney and Afreeca to do away with the streamer set in future seasons.
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
November 22 2018 22:09 GMT
#40
On November 23 2018 05:27 Ziggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2018 22:36 zerglingling wrote:
On October 15 2018 16:58 Ziggy wrote:
Shame they're still opting to include female streamers. I understand the idea behind the publicity stunt, hope they garner enough attention to do away with that in the seasons to follow, though :d

What's wrong with testing the coaching abilities of the team? It's called a team for a reason. If the girl match is another point that could win you a series, you'll actually want this player on your team to improve.
If the ranking was separate for those matches, then they would actually become a meaningless, token event and there would be no team interaction involved. It's better this way.


How is it better to have one shite game per match as opposed to having an extra set of actual pros playing?

You're implying the best of the best can't improve, ie they're flawless. The skill ceiling can always be raised and that is pretty much the whole point behind the idea of teamhouses and coaches - for players to improve through interaction. What's the point of wasting resources on female streamers who only got into StarCraft cause there was money to be made? I'd rather the competition had a rookie match, with teams coming together to inject new blood into the scene (with players who show actual promise, not C- scrubs like them streamers)

As I said, I hope MPL does well enough for Britney and Afreeca to do away with the streamer set in future seasons.


First, are you sure there is really money to be made for these female streamers? I don't get the impression they are making major money playing BW. Or at least making more playing BW than they would doing anything else, because if it's not BW that people are watching them generating the $$$, then it's because of them are a streaming personality and what game the play is just an externality.

Beyond that, female streamers have a huge marketing value, especially if they are somewhat well known streamers. They will draw in a variety of viewers that wouldn't otherwise be watching. Do you not think that marketing is a good tactic and good for the scene? It's good for male viewers because we know how guys react to females playing games they like...i.e. it draws them in. It's also good for female gamers to see other females on stage succeeding.

Calling these female streamers "C- scrubs" as a whole is very disingenuous. Several of the top players are at or above 2k MMR, in Korea. Not elite by anyones standards, but that's a massive distance away from being a C- scrub. It's damn near the top 1% of dedicated BW players.

Moreover, it's common to have female leagues for a variety of sports. So is it here. Makes sense to me. In this case we are integrating the top female players of LASL and other elite female leagues as part of a co-ed league. It would be like objecting to a golf tournament where it was a scramble and one player of each group was female, or a basketball showmatch where you had to have one WNBA player on the floor at all times for each time. And make no mistake, this is NOT an "elite" BW league. It's not Wimbeldon, it's not the Masters, it's not the Super Bowl, it's not OSL or KeSPA Proleague. It's a showmatch league with decent prize money.

I strongly agree with you about the rookie thing though, I would live to see that "Joker" tier move towards being strong up and coming amateurs.
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