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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-31 11:22:01
August 31 2018 11:16 GMT
#21
It's illegal in most foreigner tours tho. Most tours still use the old iccup tournament rules ( “standard iccup competitive rules apply“ for ex.) and thus this trick too is illegal. I doubt all TO are aware of that tho.

In general, i think iccup rules were pretty good, it makes sense to give a clear definition on which tricks are legal and which aren't.

It won't matter on bnet since blizzard is not giving user support in this department.
Broodwar for life!
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
August 31 2018 12:14 GMT
#22
There is a easy counter for this, just use one unit to lure the scv train elsewhere.
After a player have sent his scv glitch train he can't target anything or switch direction or his scv's will unstack.

Does blizzard have customer support where you can report players who exploit this bug?
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10310 Posts
August 31 2018 17:36 GMT
#23
On August 31 2018 21:14 Piste wrote:
There is a easy counter for this, just use one unit to lure the scv train elsewhere.
After a player have sent his scv glitch train he can't target anything or switch direction or his scv's will unstack.

Does blizzard have customer support where you can report players who exploit this bug?

This is not really true. They can change targets as long as they have an empty gas in their vision to restack on from my understanding. Also, one unit will not "lead them away" because they are always on a-target not a-move when stacked.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Lazare1969
Profile Joined September 2014
United States318 Posts
August 31 2018 22:23 GMT
#24
they could always just nerf stacked workers' damage so only up to, let's say, 4 workers belonging to one player in each unit square can damage other units, and the rest do zero damage. or they could go extra fancy by adjusting miss rate to be directly proportional to the total number of workers in each square. this is much safer than outright disabling this maneuver as that could break other mechanics.
6 trillion
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
August 31 2018 22:56 GMT
#25
On September 01 2018 02:36 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2018 21:14 Piste wrote:
There is a easy counter for this, just use one unit to lure the scv train elsewhere.
After a player have sent his scv glitch train he can't target anything or switch direction or his scv's will unstack.

Does blizzard have customer support where you can report players who exploit this bug?

This is not really true. They can change targets as long as they have an empty gas in their vision to restack on from my understanding. Also, one unit will not "lead them away" because they are always on a-target not a-move when stacked.

Nope they cannot restack with just an empty gas in their vision. They need to actually touch the gas first, and usually a mineral patch is needed also to to get the workers properly stacked. The time required to restack should be enough for the defender to prepare.
You're wrong about the attack command thought since you can use both attack on target or attack move. Attacking on a target just doesnt make much sense since you can just kill the workers while their attacking the designated target.
With attack move the worker stack will attack anything on their path while staying stacked and also switch to higher priority target that comes on their way.
On September 01 2018 07:23 Lazare1969 wrote:
they could always just nerf stacked workers' damage so only up to, let's say, 4 workers belonging to one player in each unit square can damage other units, and the rest do zero damage. or they could go extra fancy by adjusting miss rate to be directly proportional to the total number of workers in each square. this is much safer than outright disabling this maneuver as that could break other mechanics.

this would brake ling, zealot, dt ect. harrass though
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10310 Posts
August 31 2018 23:56 GMT
#26
On September 01 2018 07:56 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2018 02:36 Jealous wrote:
On August 31 2018 21:14 Piste wrote:
There is a easy counter for this, just use one unit to lure the scv train elsewhere.
After a player have sent his scv glitch train he can't target anything or switch direction or his scv's will unstack.

Does blizzard have customer support where you can report players who exploit this bug?

This is not really true. They can change targets as long as they have an empty gas in their vision to restack on from my understanding. Also, one unit will not "lead them away" because they are always on a-target not a-move when stacked.

Nope they cannot restack with just an empty gas in their vision. They need to actually touch the gas first, and usually a mineral patch is needed also to to get the workers properly stacked. The time required to restack should be enough for the defender to prepare.
You're wrong about the attack command thought since you can use both attack on target or attack move. Attacking on a target just doesnt make much sense since you can just kill the workers while their attacking the designated target.
With attack move the worker stack will attack anything on their path while staying stacked and also switch to higher priority target that comes on their way.

Well, I did say they would have to restack ON the empty gas - for example, if you take your gas, it doesn't work anymore, right? Beyond that, I didn't know about the a-move! I've never really done it myself, was just going off of observation and second-hand information. Thanks for clarifying.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
September 01 2018 07:00 GMT
#27
On September 01 2018 08:56 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2018 07:56 Piste wrote:
On September 01 2018 02:36 Jealous wrote:
On August 31 2018 21:14 Piste wrote:
There is a easy counter for this, just use one unit to lure the scv train elsewhere.
After a player have sent his scv glitch train he can't target anything or switch direction or his scv's will unstack.

Does blizzard have customer support where you can report players who exploit this bug?

This is not really true. They can change targets as long as they have an empty gas in their vision to restack on from my understanding. Also, one unit will not "lead them away" because they are always on a-target not a-move when stacked.

Nope they cannot restack with just an empty gas in their vision. They need to actually touch the gas first, and usually a mineral patch is needed also to to get the workers properly stacked. The time required to restack should be enough for the defender to prepare.
You're wrong about the attack command thought since you can use both attack on target or attack move. Attacking on a target just doesnt make much sense since you can just kill the workers while their attacking the designated target.
With attack move the worker stack will attack anything on their path while staying stacked and also switch to higher priority target that comes on their way.

Well, I did say they would have to restack ON the empty gas - for example, if you take your gas, it doesn't work anymore, right? Beyond that, I didn't know about the a-move! I've never really done it myself, was just going off of observation and second-hand information. Thanks for clarifying.

Yes I think you are right, it does not work if the assimilator/exctractor/refinery has been built. Somehow I skipped the word "on" in your previous post. It's just two letters but had a bigger impact on how I understood what you ment, sorry bout that
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