EPTOn August 04 2018 06:39 ]343[ wrote:
what happened to last recently?
what happened to last recently?
He either loses or has very poor wins.
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19257 Posts
He either loses or has very poor wins. | ||
TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
He was scary in ASL3, but Flash managed to beat him 3:2. He was scary as hell in ASL4, got killed narrowly in a zvz. He was scary as hell before ASL 5, got outplayed by a decent margin by Rain in the wildcard match and then didn't make it out of his group. I still consider him very scary, especially in ZvT. But burden of proof lies with him, he has to tell everyone that there's a reason he looks so good. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On August 04 2018 07:57 TaardadAiel wrote: I do agree with that. He feels like a zerg version of what sea was for 90% of his career. Seemingly incredibly talented, definitely always looking good and then...poof, goes no where.Soulkey is scary and he has been since he beat Flash at ATB. He was scary in ASL3, but Flash managed to beat him 3:2. He was scary as hell in ASL4, got killed narrowly in a zvz. He was scary as hell before ASL 5, got outplayed by a decent margin by Rain in the wildcard match and then didn't make it out of his group. I still consider him very scary, especially in ZvT. But burden of proof lies with him, he has to tell everyone that there's a reason he looks so good. | ||
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Jealous
10174 Posts
On August 04 2018 08:12 Dazed. wrote: I do agree with that. He feels like a zerg version of what sea was for 90% of his career. Seemingly incredibly talented, definitely always looking good and then...poof, goes no where. Can't really agree. Sea's TvP always felt suspect, and I'd say that he was a midrank A-tier player in his prime. Soulkey had surpassed him in skill before KeSPA era had ended, and I can't point to a single specific weakpoint or match-up for him. I'd consider him to be a top 10 player over the past half year consecutively, in the admittedly more limited pool we have now, something that I think Sea never really managed to achieve. | ||
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TornadoSteve
1068 Posts
While on the very top of a discipline or a sport, many people are scared to lose their throne. Not saying he will disappear like Bobby, but the guy is clearly in a slump right now. I think Flash is too good and too clever to not step back, but i am interested to see how he does it in the near future, especially with the current popularity bw has reached lately. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States876 Posts
On August 04 2018 09:02 TornadoSteve wrote: As of late, Flash has showed signs of being human after all. That fastest guy 458, Snow, Rain, and some others has clearly affected his self-confidence. Prolly lack of motivation also, and dodging DSL and KSL(ok, he has a match in China) clearly the guy has too much to lose. While on the very top of a discipline or a sport, many people are scared to lose their throne. Not saying he will disappear like Bobby, but the guy is clearly in a slump right now. I think Flash is too good and too clever to not step back, but i am interested to see how he does it in the near future, especially with the current popularity bw has reached lately. He's not in slump. Wth are you talkin about. He's posting all time high ELO(sponsored matchups) and destroying everyone on ladder. He literally lost to a protoss on extremely imba protoss maps. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On August 04 2018 08:27 Jealous wrote: Thing is though, the rumours were that Sea was a lot like Nada, lazy and unmotivated compared to his peers yet still really strong. He also had massive performance anxiety. I dont know if the hype was ever true, but thats the point: he was said to be one thing, but only got out of group stages like once or twice in his prime during kespa. Soulkey might be fated for something similar [clearly done more to prove himself than sea did during that era tho]. Like the other guy said, hes got to prove he can make it on the biggest stage. Sometimes greats never translate when the pressures really on. Canata only managed one good run and he was said to rival oov or anyone during practice!Can't really agree. Sea's TvP always felt suspect, and I'd say that he was a midrank A-tier player in his prime. Soulkey had surpassed him in skill before KeSPA era had ended, and I can't point to a single specific weakpoint or match-up for him. I'd consider him to be a top 10 player over the past half year consecutively, in the admittedly more limited pool we have now, something that I think Sea never really managed to achieve. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19257 Posts
On August 04 2018 09:58 Dazed. wrote: Thing is though, the rumours were that Sea was a lot like Nada, lazy and unmotivated compared to his peers yet still really strong. He also had massive performance anxiety. I dont know if the hype was ever true, but thats the point: he was said to be one thing, but only got out of group stages like once or twice in his prime during kespa. Soulkey might be fated for something similar [clearly done more to prove himself than sea did during that era tho]. Like the other guy said, hes got to prove he can make it on the biggest stage. Sometimes greats never translate when the pressures really on. Canata only managed one good run and he was said to rival oov or anyone during practice! Sea had a prolific career during the Sospa era. He has to an extent shown what he can earn when he is trying his hardest. | ||
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
On August 04 2018 09:15 Shinokuki wrote: He's not in slump. Wth are you talkin about. He's posting all time high ELO(sponsored matchups) and destroying everyone on ladder. He literally lost to a protoss on extremely imba protoss maps. I'm tired of people blaming the map despite Flash explicitly asking fans to compliment Snow instead. Only Transistor was P favoured with around 35% winrate for Terrans (ELO-wise), and Flash won that one. Sparkle is Terran favoured, 3rd world is slightly Protoss favoured, and Gladiator is just about balanced. As long as TvP goes, this isn't too bad balancing-wise, if you consider the fact that Fighting Spirit boasts a 60% Terran winrate. Flash didn't lose to the maps, he lost to Snow. The real issue was that the map pool pretty much decimated all the Zergs. Zergs lose to both Terran and Protoss on Third World, and in Sparkle they beat Terran lightly but get smashed by Protoss. Data from sponbbang, using ELO-wise winrates. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 04 2018 10:47 RWLabs wrote: I'm tired of people blaming the map despite Flash explicitly asking fans to compliment Snow instead. Only Transistor was P favoured with around 35% winrate for Terrans (ELO-wise), and Flash won that one. Sparkle is Terran favoured, 3rd world is slightly Protoss favoured, and Gladiator is just about balanced. As long as TvP goes, this isn't too bad balancing-wise, if you consider the fact that Fighting Spirit boasts a 60% Terran winrate. Flash didn't lose to the maps, he lost to Snow. The real issue was that the map pool pretty much decimated all the Zergs. Zergs lose to both Terran and Protoss on Third World, and in Sparkle they beat Terran lightly but get smashed by Protoss. Data from sponbbang, using ELO-wise winrates. While I agree with the previous poster that Flash is not in a slump, Flash lost to Snow, fair and square. While the maps can play a role, Flash lost on Gladiator too. Not like every map in the previous ASL was heavily protoss favoured lol. Snow was just the better player who played with confidence and knew what to do that series. | ||
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Jealous
10174 Posts
On August 04 2018 09:58 Dazed. wrote: Thing is though, the rumours were that Sea was a lot like Nada, lazy and unmotivated compared to his peers yet still really strong. He also had massive performance anxiety. I dont know if the hype was ever true, but thats the point: he was said to be one thing, but only got out of group stages like once or twice in his prime during kespa. Soulkey might be fated for something similar [clearly done more to prove himself than sea did during that era tho]. Like the other guy said, hes got to prove he can make it on the biggest stage. Sometimes greats never translate when the pressures really on. Canata only managed one good run and he was said to rival oov or anyone during practice! As you mention, we've heard this practice monster story told over and over throughout BW's history. If it doesn't amount to much on stage, then it's all just hearsay and hype IMO. If a player can't perform when it matters, then why count anything else? On August 04 2018 10:44 BisuDagger wrote: Sea had a prolific career during the Sospa era. He has to an extent shown what he can earn when he is trying his hardest. I think it was a case of a medium fish becoming big in a smaller pond. Not to say he didn't try, but I don't think he had to try much harder than normal to be better than the rest with TBLS and other S-class players out of the picture. | ||
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TornadoSteve
1068 Posts
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angrypofke
Lithuania174 Posts
On August 03 2018 14:46 Terrorterran wrote: You saying I just beat the best player in the world? http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/35692827 I'll take it. nice read btw That mine on probes!!! LOL Game starts at 52min into the stream for anyone wondering | ||
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Shinokuki
United States876 Posts
On August 04 2018 11:10 TornadoSteve wrote: Slump is may be not the right word here, but his self-confidence is clearly affected at the moment. And anyone who played this game at a certain level knows exactly what im talking about. How do you know this? I’m Korean and I also play be so I know both sides. Flash is still at peak level right now lol | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
Flash lost to his game sense failing him or rather Snow playing around it, on Gladiator specifically. He never knew Snow would continue to harass with reaver/shuttle so late into the game. Flash is the master of defense for Terran, guys, and he is mental as far as anticipating correctly stuff that is otherwise unlikely. Stuff like that doesn't happen for no reason. Third World was a nightmare for Terran vs Protoss back when it was introduced, I recall Stork having 4 or 5 consecutive wins over Flash on that map in sponmatches. Allowing for a fifth game on that map - and Flash had already lost the first game they played there - was fairly dangerous. Gladiator was where the series was decided, for me at least. Flash was in the driver's seat, he was exactly in the position he wanted to be, and he still lost. I am more than happy with the Power Rank as it is. We'll have to follow Flash, I'm fairly confident that he'll still be a major force to be reckoned with. | ||
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TornadoSteve
1068 Posts
The fact that it seems to tilt him to keep losing to that 458 guy... in both tvp and pvt. The fact that hes clearly dodging some events as of late Not saying hes in a big hole or wtv, just saying hes showing signs of being human lately. Prolly cuz the very bests behind him are getting better... Its just my opinion, i dont pretend to know more than anyone. | ||
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KeiSiM
Poland4 Posts
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Burhan1
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Shinokuki
United States876 Posts
On August 04 2018 19:40 TornadoSteve wrote: Well its just an opinion... Based on what ? The fact that it seems to tilt him to keep losing to that 458 guy... in both tvp and pvt. The fact that hes clearly dodging some events as of late Not saying hes in a big hole or wtv, just saying hes showing signs of being human lately. Prolly cuz the very bests behind him are getting better... Its just my opinion, i dont pretend to know more than anyone. he's challenging himself to use terran vs protoss on fastest map. No one uses terran on fastest map because its so disavantaged. He is using 458 to bring new contents to his stream. He's challenging the fastest map landscape because he's ultimately bored. He's dodging events?? he had to dodge KSL because it was conflicting with chinese events. This is just wrong interpretation my god. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
I appreciate having the PR back but this way of doing it doesn't make much sense to me :-) | ||
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