EPTBW Power Rank: August 2018 - Page 2
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Dazed.
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TT1
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On August 03 2018 23:38 BisuDagger wrote: Soulkey still has a lot to prove in major tournaments. At least Larva won a gold in something. Soulkey has a premier tournament win tho?  WEGL Starcraft Remaster Super FightNeo.G Soulkey | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10231 Posts
On August 04 2018 01:35 Dazed. wrote: Whats the point of a power rank if it has no actual relation to someones abilities? You have vastly over ranked activity and thus made a mockery of everything the power rank ever was. Awful. Flash is the worlds best player, and thus should be number one. Theres no point to this ranking if it doesnt reflect abilities. Hi Dazed, I'm glad this is your opinion of what a Power Rank should be. Back in the day with the old PR, they did not need to worry about player activity because every player was always playing in the OSL/MSL/PL. It is must more difficult for us to create a Power Rank without the exact same simulation, as the only offline tournaments we have that are not always running as frequently are KSL and ASL (Moo Proleague takes the place of the old PL but it is nowhere near the seriousness which is why it will not really be considered in the ranking until it feels more competitive). I would love to throw FlaSh at number 1 all the time, don't get me wrong. However, we must reward activity to some extent because a MONTHLY power rank implies just that: how are players doing on a month-to-month basis. If you don't play a single game in a month, why do you deserve any placement? As an aside to your comment, I made up for it (slightly) by having Larva at 2nd, even though he only played in DSL and didn't make KSL. Hope this clears up why the PR is formatted in such a way. Also, the staff as a whole believed that activity should be weighed more, but it doesn't mean that going to a bunch of crappy small tournaments means you'd be better than someone who only played in one very important tournament. It just means you need to show games to us that we can see to gauge strength. On August 04 2018 01:15 flamewheel wrote: I haven't seen a BW power ranking in so long. Feels good to see this. Feels good to bring it back :D On August 03 2018 16:36 sc19980331 wrote: Because Hero is going to army on 8/9, so he didn’t play KSL qualifiers. He should be added to Hall of Fame part imo :-) Ah, I didn't even consider this. :c Now I'm really sad. Hopefully I can throw in a special tribute to hero in the next edition. On August 04 2018 02:08 TT1 wrote: Soulkey has a premier tournament win tho? WEGL Starcraft Remaster Super Fighthttps://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Neo.G_Soulkey#Accomplishments Too long ago to consider, with him not playing well at ASL5, and also not making it through Ro16 of DSL. I guess recently he did well in the Last Starleague, but I don't think he's better than Rain atm, especially with his series against Shuttle where I'd rate him at a B- at best in that series. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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On August 03 2018 19:52 TT1 wrote: The top 5 players right now are: 1. Flash 2. Soulkey 3. Rain 4. Snow 5. Mini 1.Rain 2.Soulkey 3.Flash 4.Mini 5.hero 6.Best 7.Snow 8.Larva 9.Shuttle 10.Stork | ||
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TT1
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FlaShFTW
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On August 04 2018 02:27 TT1 wrote: You realize Soulkey is mostly losing ZvZ's right? In ASL he lost to Mini on Sparkle and a ZvZ, in DSL he lost 2 bo1 ZvZ's. He has a huge edge against anyone except Flash in a BO5. And he still looked very shakey in his series against Shuttle. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10231 Posts
On August 04 2018 03:04 Malongo wrote: This PR is all messed up. PR is not about results but about how scary a player looks to play against. Action and Stork don´t belong here, Mind and Soulkey are way too high, hero just dismantled a full protoss crew on KCM (Shuttle, Snow, Mini, Horang2) and made them look like crap. In all honesty this looks like whoever made this list didn´t even bother to watch the games. Please re-read the introduction of the PR to understand the qualifying remarks of this PR. Not every PR is the same, they are not all graded differently. And I did watch all the games. In fact I spent a whole week catching up watching all games through til the end just so I could see how each game result was, whether it was just cheese or not. So let’s not make these outlandish accusations that people on the staff itself don’t bother watching the games. Criticism is fine, remarks like that are not. | ||
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ortseam
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On August 04 2018 02:27 TT1 wrote: You realize Soulkey is mostly losing ZvZ's right? In ASL he lost to Mini on Sparkle and a ZvZ, in DSL he lost 2 bo1 ZvZ's. He has a huge edge against anyone except Flash in a BO5. Rain has completely destroyed him in ASL 5 wildcard AND the recent LSL vs ASL winners series(5-1 total). And Rain doesn't seem to put too much effort on sponmatches, Also getting knocked out by Movie on EotS (!) in ASL2, barely winning against Best (and getting destroyed by Bisu) with Outsider/ Andromeda/ CB joke map pool, losing 2-0 to Free in SSL semis. So yeah, Soulkey has a weak matchup in tournaments, but it's not ZvZ, not until he proves otherwise. | ||
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Dazed.
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edit: at this point we have far more ability to gauge ability month to month than we ever did in 2006. There were many times in the past where a top player only had a few games in a month, or at least, only a few games against any top players. Now we have hundreds of hours of fpvods every month. edit2: There was an entire month in 2006 where savior only played one official game, august. That wasnt actually very uncommon, especially before PL really started ramping up its amount of games [which was 2008 or 2007 iirc]. He was far and away the best player. We had the data then. We definitely have the data now. | ||
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oxKnu
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Here's the current ladder stats: https://starlog.gg/en/leaderboard 1. Flash 2. Soulkey 3. Hero 4. 1234.576.789 (??) 5. Shine 6. Best 7. Larva 8. Rain 9. Flash (Protoss) 10. Mong 11. Jaedong 12. Light 13. ForGG 14. Snow Sure it's not the end-all of anything but it confirms what I've known for awhile (Flash distant first, Soulkey, Hero and Rain second tier). | ||
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TT1
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On August 04 2018 03:10 ortseam wrote: Rain has completely destroyed him in ASL 5 wildcard AND the recent LSL vs ASL winners series(5-1 total). And Rain doesn't seem to put too much effort on sponmatches, Also getting knocked out by Movie on EotS (!) in ASL2, barely winning against Best (and getting destroyed by Bisu) with Outsider/ Andromeda/ CB joke map pool, losing 2-0 to Free in SSL semis. So yeah, Soulkey has a weak matchup in tournaments, but it's not ZvZ, not until he proves otherwise. Lmao most of the tournaments you're talking about happened back when he just switched to BW from SC2. Also why wouldn't Rain "put much effort on sponmatches"? They're matches for money, why wouldn't he try to win (he has nothing to lose)? All i see is a bunch of BS just to fit your narrative, watch KSL and educate yourself on some BW. All you need to do is watch the group drawings just to see how terrified everyone was of playing vs SK. | ||
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EndingLife
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BisuDagger
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On August 04 2018 04:30 EndingLife wrote: Surprised Shine isn't in the top 10 I argued for Shine over Mind. He can be pretty scary when he wants to. | ||
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ortseam
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On August 04 2018 04:08 TT1 wrote: Lmao most of the tournaments you're talking about happened back when he just switched to BW from SC2. Also why wouldn't Rain "put much effort on sponmatches"? They're matches for money, why wouldn't he try to win (he has nothing to lose)? Most losses were mid-2017 and he came back October 2016? Or at least started streaming. And Rain losses are super recent , he should be above Larva but still has things to prove in BoX play, compared to the ASL champion at least. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
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On August 04 2018 01:35 Dazed. wrote: Whats the point of a power rank if it has no actual relation to someones abilities? You have vastly over ranked activity and thus made a mockery of everything the power rank ever was. Awful. Flash is the worlds best player, and thus should be number one. Theres no point to this ranking if it doesnt reflect abilities. To introduce the players to people new to following the scene. Imo Soulkey is better than Larva. | ||
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Dazed.
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On August 04 2018 06:00 Alpha-NP- wrote: You introduce them by essentially giving totally false information regarding their relative rankings? Couldnt you introduce them to players with accurate information? Please...To introduce the players to people new to following the scene. Imo Soulkey is better than Larva. | ||
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