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Eternal Bond - For Aiur

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Eternal Bond - For Aiur

Text byBigFan
Graphics byv1
April 1st, 2018 15:53 GMT
With Bisu deciding to leave the scene in order to do his military service last December, a massive crisis started brewing on the horizon. With their best and most consistent Protoss player gone in the post-KeSPA scene, it seemed like the Protoss race will finally face extinction at the hands of the Zerg. Only a few Protoss players remain but from this lot, who shall rise up and claim the throne for Aiur? Who will become Bisu's true successor and be burdened with such massive expectations and pressure that will be difficult to contend with?

It's no secret that filling Bisu's shoes and taking over his place in this era is no easy task. Bisu has always been a menacing and resilient Protoss. At times, the last one standing in an era dominated by Terran and Zerg stars everywhere. Despite his soft looks, he understood the match-ups well, was extremely reliable, strong-headed, multitasked like a beast and macroed like a monster. While his absence has already been felt by many fans, with some claiming that they'll never see a Protoss player finishing in the upper echelons of ASL, things may not appear as bad as they seem.
"The hopes and dreams of protoss fans everywhere march with you"
If anime and movies have taught us anything, it's that friendship and support from others are a greater weapon than even we can imagine and can help overcome any and all obstacles. Think back to how many times we've seen protagonists pull off the impossible. How many times have we seen Goku in DBZ constantly push his limits in every battle, all to save his friends and family? What about others like Gon who underwent massive power-ups in order to exact revenge and in a twisted way, justice in one of the last arcs of HxH?

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There were even special moves that relied on people's energy. Moves like the spirit bomb have shown their effectiveness time and again. The fans' support can be a massive boon for players, especially ones that can understand the fans' feelings, and more so in times of turmoil. While the fans factor heavily into a power-up, let's not forget that sometimes, something as simple as the feeling of inheritance can also play a major role in allowing one to surpass their limits. Before Bisu left his friends and former SKT T1 comrades, Best and Rain, he passed the torch to them, asking them to take care of the Protoss race. Thus begins a new age!

When Rain returned to the scene, he was a bit of an unknown. After all, his BW career was cut short by KeSPA transitioning to StarCraft II. His most notable achievement at the time was winning the rookie of the year award in Proleague, where he had a respectable record. He was a rising star on SKT T1, and sources say that he was a beast in practice. Rain would not disappoint as he showed us some of his untapped potential, helping to knock EffOrt to the finals' match after playing one of the best PvZ games in 2016. A game that showcased his immaculate macro, fantastic micro and great decision-making skills all around.


While his results for the rest of the year hovered all over, he finished ASL4 with a top 8 standing which is quite commendable. Throughout his games, one thing was certain. He was a great contender for the second best Protoss after Bisu. One of his biggest problems that held him back was the lack of motivation. He had the skills and could keep up with some of the best, but he seemed to lack the desire to push himself in order to go further. It would seem that he was content to sit back and watch everything unfold. Anyone who has tuned into his stream during those days can vouch for this. This has been commented on by other Protoss players as well.
"In my opinion, Rain is superior to both SnOw and Mini. The way he uses his units, his multi-tasking, and overall gaming abilities are all superior. He is truly Bisu's successor. The only thing that's stopping him is the fact that he wastes all his time staring at boobies. He's the kind of player who can do great things if he practices hard." - Shuttle
Bisu's departure has left the Protoss race in a tight spot. They need a hero now more than ever and it seems that Rain is finally stepping up to the plate, finding the motivation that he has been lacking all along. Now, it's true that Rain's winrate in PvZ does not paint him in good light. Infact, his record sits at 6-11 or 35%, if all tournaments are considered, including ASL2. However, when he played in the wildcard matches to see who takes Bisu's spot in the Ro16, he crushed his competition. Killer stood no chance and was dismantled easily, but it was his games against Soulkey that truly showed what Rain is capable of.

The back and forth dancing, multitasking like a madmen to keep his corsairs alive, making correct decisions, and being all over with drops. Moves that only Bisu can pull off with great success on a fairly frequent basis, but Rain was on point that night. He ended up beating Soulkey and achieved victory for the Protoss race, taking Bisu's spot in the Ro16. During the interview, he stated that he can be a competitor for Flash and can go all the way.
"Wow Rain, you played like Bisu in game 2" - Soulkey's text after game 2
Brimming with a lot of confidence after taking out one of the best Zergs, and realizing that it's his time to shine, Rain is finally ready to show us what he's made of. Will he become the hero we need, but don't deserve? Will he truly become Bisu's successor, and lead the Protoss race?

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Of course, there is absolutely no way that Best will just let Rain have such a coveted position. They may have been comrades and are still friends, but this position comes with a lot of prestige, and expectations from the fans. To be considered Bisu's successor is to be considered a master in PvZ and a threat to the Zerg race. From that perspective, can Best even fulfill such steep requirements himself when it seems like he's had such mixed results in PvZ?

Much like Rain, Best's strong suit is his insane macro. Once he gets his macro going, there's no stopping him, especially with his control. His multitasking is one of his weaker points that he was criticized for in the past, but his experience in the game heavily trumps Rain's experience. He debuted back in 2006, and is one of the six dragons. He has had his fair share of success and several decent standings, including a loss in the finals of EVER OSL 2008 to JulyZerg during the KeSPA era. On the other hand, most of Rain's experience in the KeSPA era was from 2009 onwards, mainly in Proleague where he posted good results.


In comparison to Rain's PvZ, Best's winrate looks a lot more amazing. Even though he's gained nicknames such as Dohsairs for his poor corsair control, his PvZ stats, which include both offline and online tournaments since ASL2 show a record of 10-7 or 59%. Since then, he's beaten some strong ZvP players, including Jaedong, hero and EffOrt. He was close to eliminating Soulkey in ASL3 as well. He may not have had the best results in ASL4, but he showed quite the game against Calm in the latest ASL where he utilized storm drops extremely well, and made great decisions all around to take quite the thriller on Gladiator. His macro, experience and recently acquired mental fortitude all make him a strong opponent, even in one of his weakest matchups.

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In the post-game interview, BeSt stated that Bisu's departure has left the Protoss race in a sad state, but it's also in times like this that a hero has risen, and that he'd like to be that hero.

BUT, wait... you thought that was all? Surely, there has to be more Protoss players interested in taking the lead?
What if I told you there is one more competitor who'd like to take the helm and lead the way?

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No, I'm not talking about Stork. The dinotoss may be a fine-tuned machine in PvT with a deeper understanding of the matchup than anyone else, and his PvP is not bad either, but PvZ is a match-up that he struggles with. His current winrate there, from a small sample size, sits at 1-6, or 17% with a lone win over Miso. He may do well on stream, but tournament results are of the utmost importance here.

I'm not talking about Snow either. Snow has some of the best PvT and PvP at the moment, but his PvZ has always been his worst matchup. His tournament winrate for PvZ sits at 2-8, or 20%. Much like Stork, he does play better when he does sponmatches, but his performance on stage will determine whether he can shoulder the fans' expectations, and it does not look great right now especially when there are many Zergs in the Ro16.

This also isn't about Mini. It's true that Mini is extremely strong in PvP, and has an interesting style in PvT/PvZ. A style that is annoying to play against and that even Flash has trouble with! Basically, he's no slouch and stacks well compared to the other players mentioned so far. His PvZ in tournaments sits at 2-3, or 40% though that is a small sample size. The problem is that Mini does not seem to be interested in leading the race, and he stated in his Ro24 winners' interview that he'd rather avoid all Zergs going forward.

The player that was alluded to is none other than the Monstrous Progeny of Capitalism, Shuttle!

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As the story goes, it seems that Shuttle, like many other pros, was watching the ASL5 Ro24 groups on his Afreeca stream with his fans. After BeSt made his intentions clear in the post-match interview, Shuttle retorted with the following statement:
"I'm sorry, but that's me, not you!"
It seems that our friend Shuttle is also vying for the position of the hero. It's hard to believe that someone who has publicly detested the Zerg race in the past, hoping that "they'll all just disappear" wants to lead the race, however, that might be precisely the kind of individual we need. Someone who is able to emphasize with the fans, and understands the Protoss plight extremely well, especially when it comes to dealing with the dastardly Zerg.

Furthermore, Shuttle has vastly improved from his older KeSPA days, and was named by Flash as one of the most improved players in the latter's first interview with BW staff. This was the player who won ASL making it look easy as he beat a lot of players, including Last. He's the same guy who spoke of doing nothing, but eating, shitting, sleeping, and streaming during that time which showcases just how much of a hard worker he is. Afreeca just recently recognized his hard work as well and he's become a PartnerBJ. His games in the Ro24 were a bit shaky, but neither opponent he faced was a Zerg. Rather, he held an all-in on Transistor and then beat Sky with dark templars in the next match.

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He should not be underestimated, not even by a bit, because he is still an ASL champion and his performance increases exponentially when money is involved. His current PvZ tournament winrate sits at 9-3, or 75% since ASL2. He landed in an all Zerg group in the Ro16 which includes Larva, Jaedong and EffOrt. This will test his resolve and will show us whether Shuttle can truly become a leader or not.

A quick look at the sponmatch results of the Protoss players mentioned above gives a good idea of how well they stack against each other, and Bisu. The sponmatch results are from May 2017 till March 2018, except for Bisu's results which are till the end of November.

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While Bisu had the superior stats for all of the matchups, some of the players' winrates come extremely close to matching his record. For PvT, Snow is the closest to his 64% winrate rate, sitting at 61% while Best is close behind at 59%. Rain and Mini trail behind the two by a bit while Shuttle and Stork round out the group.

For PvZ which is considered to be the worst matchup for a lot of Protoss players, Rain manages to edge out the lot with a 54% winrate, second only to Bisu's winrate of 59%. Best sits at 50% which is quite close to Snow and Mini's 49% winrate. For PvP, things are shaken up quite a bit with Mini taking the lead in the current group of players, hitting 64% which is not too far off from Bisu's insane 67%. This is followed by Snow and Shuttle at 60% and 58% respectively. .

All in all, Rain, Best, Mini and Snow are quite close in their winrates and trade blows while both Shuttle and Stork are behind everyone else, with the exception being Shuttle's PvP. Let's keep in mind that some players do seem to play better in tournaments while others crack under the pressure. Another thing to consider is how well do these players stack up against Flash? After all, someone will have to beat Flash to win this ASL, and it's more likely to be a Protoss player than a Zerg one:

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Rain edges out every single Protoss, including Bisu, with a winrate of 46% against Flash. Snow and Best scuffle for second place with a winrate of about 38% while Mini, Bisu, Stork and Shuttle all come within several percentiles of each other. This might explain why Rain was so confident in his wildcard interview when he talked about Flash. If anyone can knock out Flash from this group, it's him.

And with that, we've got ourselves a competition, folks!
Who will be the first one to claim the Protoss throne and knock out Flash?
Will it be the newcomer, the dragon, the ASL1 champion, the reaver expert or he who's style confounds all?
 

Writer: Bigfan
Graphics: v1
Thanks to: Lemmata
Photo Credits: AfreecaTV, Blizzard and DBZ
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19237 Posts
April 01 2018 16:00 GMT
#2
No protoss touches Bisu in the post keeps era for offline tournaments . His resume is filled with golds, silvers, and was consistently in the final four. Counting SSLs, Movie is actually the second best protoss of this era despite having a family and job. The fact that movie doesn't even make the charts above makes me sad, but also proves how amazing he is. Despite all the hype for everyone else, Movie is who I have my eye on should he commit himself fully to SC1.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
AncientSion
Profile Joined April 2017
72 Posts
April 01 2018 16:13 GMT
#3
Rain is the best. After i some some matches in a think ASL 3 ? or maybe it was 4, it was clear (to me) that Rain really is the best P player.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10151 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-01 17:01:35
April 01 2018 16:22 GMT
#4
"it seemed like the Protoss race will finally face extinct at the hands of the Zerg."

extinction*

It may be a stretch, but I think the fact that Rain and Flash are good friends may contribute to his higher win rate, one way or another.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
April 01 2018 17:12 GMT
#5
Imo Rain is overrated. I saw a lot of mismicro in his ASL4 games like he was nervous or out of practice. And Best macro is so good that he can comeback from behind.
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-01 18:04:03
April 01 2018 18:03 GMT
#6
This era hasn't been dominated by terran and zerg stars everywhere. If anything, Shuttle and Bisu have had way more success than any terran not named Flash.
LTCM
Profile Joined May 2017
174 Posts
April 01 2018 18:18 GMT
#7
Protoss has always been the weakest race. I don't think anyone denies that. Without bisu the race is going to be further behind than it already is. PvZ is such a crap show I no longer even watch BW.
Byun is a convicted match-fixer.
halomonian
Profile Joined January 2012
Brazil255 Posts
April 01 2018 18:24 GMT
#8
Jangbi was the heir apparent to bisu's throne in the later stages of the kespa era. Kinda sad he relinquished his lineage
thoughts in chaos | enjOy[dream]
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10151 Posts
April 01 2018 18:46 GMT
#9
Wait. April 1st?
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
April 01 2018 19:19 GMT
#10
woah how did Stork end up with PvZ as his best matchup? not by much, but still. What happened to that guy?
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-01 19:35:46
April 01 2018 19:34 GMT
#11
Jangbi, where are you.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
April 01 2018 19:40 GMT
#12
On April 02 2018 03:24 halomonian wrote:
Jangbi was the heir apparent to bisu's throne in the later stages of the kespa era. Kinda sad he relinquished his lineage

Bisu was good against zergs that is undisputed.
But for me Jangbi and Stork have always been better players.
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
April 01 2018 20:00 GMT
#13
On April 02 2018 03:18 LTCM wrote:
Protoss has always been the weakest race. I don't think anyone denies that. Without bisu the race is going to be further behind than it already is. PvZ is such a crap show I no longer even watch BW.


You should try watching again. Without the bias, though. Can you manage?

Try Soulkey vs Best from the ASL5 wildcard match.

A great read and thanks! I have some doubts about the value of ASL statistics with the current map pool. Stork looks really friggin' scary indeed on his stream and Best, on the other hand, is not too inspiring.

And we all miss JangBi, it seems.

Go Stork!
WriterReV hwaiting!
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-01 21:48:16
April 01 2018 21:45 GMT
#14
Shuttle has been great to see blossom and he indeed looks strong. But I think Stork is also just a level above his previous self and he seems to train hard enough to make me think he can go further~~~ can't wait til Tuesday. The 1st PvP v Snow will be big!

It was a great read and it's good that it discusses in more general terms the situation of the 'toss race but I would like to point out as a more immediate aside that 3 of these will battle in Group B in the Ro16 this ASL.
The heart's eternal vow
funnybananaman
Profile Joined April 2009
United States830 Posts
April 01 2018 22:17 GMT
#15
Reach was also a great protoss.
Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
April 01 2018 23:35 GMT
#16
i love shuttle's trashtalk, he was also pretty entertaining at the group selection

The only thing that's stopping him is the fact that he wastes all his time staring at boobies


Lewd Rain, i like it.

On April 02 2018 03:18 LTCM wrote:
Protoss has always been the weakest race. I don't think anyone denies that. Without bisu the race is going to be further behind than it already is. PvZ is such a crap show I no longer even watch BW.


thanks for your outdated and worthless input. if you dont watch anymore, please dont bother commenting on it either.
"You have the image of being a robotic, stoic player among foreign fans. What do you think about that?" - "I don’t think it’s incorrect." || letodSWAG
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 02 2018 06:49 GMT
#17
Bisudagger, I wanted to include Movie and I think he was one of the best protoss after Bisu in the Sonic era but he rarely makes appearances these days and he's just not focused on BW anymore afaik. I think he would be another strong contender if he did though.

Jealous, thanks for the correction. I don't think it's a stretch. Given, maybe his style just manages to counter flash's style though I would figure other protoss players would be able to do as well like Best but they don't hmm.

Essbee, take a look at the finalists of SSL, KSL and ASL:
SSL7: Killer and Larva
SSL8: Killer and Hiya
SSL9: Bisu and hero
SSL10: sSak and Last (semifinals all terran)
SSL11: hero and Bisu
KSL: Mind and Kwanro
VNSL: Effort and Bisu
ASL1: Shuttle and Sharp
ASL2: Flash and Sea
ASL3: Flash and Shine
SSL Classic: EffOrt and free
ASL4: Flash and hero
WEGL: Soulkey and Larva

For Protoss: Bisu, Shuttle and free.
For terran: Hiya, sSak, Last, Mind, Sharp, Flash and Sea.
For zerg: Killer, Larva, hero, Kwanro, EffOrt, Shine and Soulkey.

PVJ, it's why this got posted now because group B is almost an all protoss group ^^
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-02 09:17:56
April 02 2018 09:17 GMT
#18
Thanks for your post Bigfan, but I was thinking more in line with just the ASLs, because the SSLs didn't have all the good players back anyway.

Outside of flash, only sea has been able to go far (and yeah, sharp but meh). And also, the maps were so terran-favored and only those 2 were able to achieve some kind of success. We saw shuttle win the first one, and we also saw bisu going far last season. And also, rain is the one who won the wildcard spot after the departure of bisu. I really think this era of bw has been dominated by flash and a bunch of zergs.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
April 02 2018 09:55 GMT
#19
The article didn't mention any current affairs so I wasn't sure whether there should be a connection or not.
Thanks BigFan
The heart's eternal vow
Kuks
Profile Joined March 2018
43 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-02 11:58:32
April 02 2018 11:56 GMT
#20
The Return of Stork!

For those that have been following Stork this past season you must have noticed a huge improvement from the previous ASLs. Stork has always been Bisu's shadow, if you will, and the second best Protoss commander during the KeSPA era. Not sure if it’s just the new map pool or also the being the last remaining representative of his race from the famous TaekBangLeeSsang four, but I believe we will see him go far this season.

I do not know much about Stork's activities after KeSPA but I do know that he left the Brood War seen for some time to focus on SCII, even landing a coaching job. From an interview with Stork I read that his coaching opportunity was bitter sweet for him,

"I never got the chance to really contribute to the team because we were disbanded so quickly".
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/518375-interview-flash-jaedong-bisu-stork

I heard stories that when the remaining Brood War pros, that didn't switch to another game, started streaming to earn a living, Stork was greatly opposed to the idea. I think Stork has been going through a hard time since the end of professional Brood War and so has not had the passion for the game like he used to; as a result, his performance has been sub-par. However, I feel that the motivation and passion that he once had for the game is starting to return, and so we can start to expect great things from him.

Stork has always been a brilliant player, learning maps and finding strategies before others. I feel that this map pool and its awkwardness provide the ideal environment for him to thrive. Isn't Stork ranked first for win% on Sparkle?

In the other ASL seasons I have felt that Stork's multitasking has been lacking. You watch other streams, Bisu in particular, and you realize that the reason Bisu is so effective against Zerg is because of his multitasking. I feel that Stork has been improving on this feature this most. There is a game posted in his stream thread, Stork vs Soulkey, that really helps to show this.

I am not sure how much faith I have in the charts mentioned in the OP but one thing that should stand out about Stork is that PvZ is shown to be his best match up. This has never been the case, below is a conversation, translated by TinyLand, after ASL2.

Sea: "What are your thoughts on Zerg?
Stork: "Truth be told... I have given up on Zerg completely. I don't know how Bisu does it."

I feel like another chart from Feb 2018 to current would show a much more successful and true representation of Stork this season.

Stork to me a man of great character, both humble and honest. He has great insight and understanding of the game. It’s time for him to reassert himself has a leader in the Protoss race.

ストルクが一番好きですよ。
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
April 02 2018 14:28 GMT
#21
I agree with Kuks. Stork is good whenever he wants to be good, and with Bisu absent, I think he wants it.
May the BeSt man win.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
April 02 2018 15:13 GMT
#22
Tbh, maybe I am too negative, but to me it seemed like he started playing a bit more seriously (tho not at this level), at the point when he noticed that other players/viewers weren't taking him seriously/making fun of his playstyle, there was one match I remember where some players that watched like mocked his play.
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
April 02 2018 15:17 GMT
#23
I think one aspect that is missing from the charts or well is not represented on charts that just look at the percentages is how much a player played against the different races.

In the past 4-5 month Stork played as many vZs as vT and vP combines. That means that while many of his matchups have a similar win percentage the vZ matches have a higher total win count and it also just shows what he is focusing on during practicing and spons. This is further underlined with how vP is by far the rarest spon for him to play.

It would be interesting to see how other player's matchup distribution is like, I sadly can't dig into this now but I wonder if someone has some insight based on this aspect of the available data.
The heart's eternal vow
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
April 02 2018 15:43 GMT
#24
is shuttle being serious when he says rain stares too much at boobies? that's bisu's successor?! please come back soon bisu.
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
April 02 2018 16:36 GMT
#25
On April 02 2018 18:17 Essbee wrote:
Outside of flash, only sea has been able to go far (and yeah, sharp but meh). And also, the maps were so terran-favored and only those 2 were able to achieve some kind of success. We saw shuttle win the first one, and we also saw bisu going far last season. And also, rain is the one who won the wildcard spot after the departure of bisu. I really think this era of bw has been dominated by flash and a bunch of zergs.

ASL 1 Ro8: 5 T, 1 Z, 2 P (FS+ CB, Overwatch, Taebak)
ASL 2 Ro8: 2 T, 2 Z, 4 P (CB, Benzene, EotS, Demian)
ASL 3 Ro8: 4 T, 2 Z, 2 P (CB, Camelot, Outsider, Andromeda)
ASL 4 Ro8: 2 T, 4 Z, 2 P (FS, Gladiator, Gold Rush, Crossing FIeld)
ASL 5 Ro8: 2 T, rest P and Z (bad Terran maps 3rd time in a row obviously)
Terrans: Flash(x4), Last(x2), Sea(x2), Sharp, Mong, Ssak
Zergs: Hero(x3), Soulkey(x2), Larva, JD, Shine, Killer
Protoss: Bisu (x3), Best(x2), Shuttle, Jaehoon, Guemchi, Rain

I really don't see how Terrans are doing the worst or the maps are Terran favored. Specifically I remember Shuttle making a comment about how Afreeca seems to want zergs to win (Sparkle is an excellent example brought in after that comment, constant changes to bring it to the current situation).
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
April 02 2018 16:38 GMT
#26
On April 03 2018 00:43 Golgotha wrote:
is shuttle being serious when he says rain stares too much at boobies? that's bisu's successor?! please come back soon bisu.

I vaguely remember this being a thing, where while streaming, he would often look at like females broadcasters streams instead of playing any games.

But (and I only watched him one time recently so that could be wrong) it doesn't seem to be the case anymore, atleast that one time I watched he was playing and focusing on the game.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-02 17:05:01
April 02 2018 17:04 GMT
#27
I have not watched online games (including sponmatches), just ASL and SSL. I've seen a lot of Rain hype, but so far his play have not seemed that impressive to me. I know he had success in SC2 and he was pretty good up and coming protoss towards the end of KeSpa era so I hope he proves me wrong.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
April 02 2018 17:10 GMT
#28
On April 03 2018 02:04 Piste wrote:
I have not watched online games (including sponmatches), just ASL and SSL. I've seen a lot of Rain hype, but so far his play have not seemed that impressive to me. I know he had success in SC2 and he was pretty good up and coming protoss towards the end of KeSpa era so I hope he proves me wrong.

It is not just success, he like defined PvP for a while, and showed Protoss you could actually Macro and win, I remember a couple months where he had like a 80-90% winrate and shit, the kid defenitely has the potential if he puts his mind to it.

Also I would say if you look at more of his recent games, the ones for Bisus spot for example, he earned that spot.
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atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1710 Posts
April 02 2018 17:20 GMT
#29
On April 03 2018 00:43 Golgotha wrote:
is shuttle being serious when he says rain stares too much at boobies? that's bisu's successor?! please come back soon bisu.


90% (number made up - it's a lot of the time though) of the time Rains stream is him watching a female streamer
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
April 02 2018 22:03 GMT
#30
On April 02 2018 18:17 Essbee wrote:
Thanks for your post Bigfan, but I was thinking more in line with just the ASLs, because the SSLs didn't have all the good players back anyway.

Outside of flash, only sea has been able to go far (and yeah, sharp but meh). And also, the maps were so terran-favored and only those 2 were able to achieve some kind of success. We saw shuttle win the first one, and we also saw bisu going far last season. And also, rain is the one who won the wildcard spot after the departure of bisu. I really think this era of bw has been dominated by flash and a bunch of zergs.

I mean, you can say that but I don't think it's right to completely ignore SSL, KSL and VNSL just because Flash and several other pros came back. If anything, I would argue that a lot of the players who came first practiced hard to impress their fans and try and gain a following. Piano was a much strong player then, same goes for some others. It's only after having come back and done the same routine etc... that some likely lost their motivation. Also, ortstream makes a good rebuttal to your second half.

PVJ, you're right. The graphs give an overall winrate and don't consider just how much more someone played vs a certain race.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 08:10:33
April 03 2018 08:10 GMT
#31
dat pyramid-bar chart tho haha
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Yozora
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland65 Posts
April 03 2018 12:36 GMT
#32
Sorry for asking a stupid question maybe in a wrong place but is there great articles or interviews of Bisu like there is with Flash and iloveoov?
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
April 03 2018 13:44 GMT
#33
In ASL5 ro16

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Best and Stork just got eliminated in a bracket where Snow advanced. I thought this would happen. We already saw Best fave off against Flash in an ASL where he lost. So now I'm hoping Snow does better.

What about Snow compared to Rain? To me Snow seems better. I saw Rain play in ASL4 and his nerves looked rattle. Especially against Soulkey and Larva. The games were action packed and you could tell Rain is jittery. But I'd love to see Flash face both Snow and Rain in ASL5. If he won despite playing both of those players, then I'll believe he is a god.
Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
April 03 2018 17:24 GMT
#34
On April 03 2018 22:44 Alpha-NP- wrote:
In ASL5 ro16

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Best and Stork just got eliminated in a bracket where Snow advanced. I thought this would happen.


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that first game from best vs hero on transistor was really rough and kinda unfortunate, immediately losing that first zealot and even letting more lings in later on. he fought admirably afterwards, but was just too far behind. snow just got rekt by his (lack of) corsair control vs hero which prevented him from ever getting into a desirable spot in the game. so as far as pvz goes which is the main focus of the article i'd say they both showed some promising ideas, but also made crucial mistakes vs a top notch zvper in hero.
snow then got the better end of build orders in the deciding pvp vs best, but best actually fought back valiantly although it wasnt enough in the end. i'm glad snow made it through and we get to see more of him including a possible ro8 match vs flash (2nd place finisher vs 1st place), but i still liked best's play today despite his elimination. all in all i'd still rate them closely.


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We already saw Best fave off against Flash in an ASL where he lost. So now I'm hoping Snow does better.


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flash and best actually never met in asl. the last time they played in a tournament was in the danjjing starleague little over 2 months ago where best won 3-2. maybe even more reason to hope snow plays and beats him in the playoff this season, possibly already in the ro8 as mentioned before


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What about Snow compared to Rain? To me Snow seems better. I saw Rain play in ASL4 and his nerves looked rattle. Especially against Soulkey and Larva. The games were action packed and you could tell Rain is jittery. But I'd love to see Flash face both Snow and Rain in ASL5. If he won despite playing both of those players, then I'll believe he is a god.


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tough to call imo, snow looked shaky in his games so far too. absolutely agree though that it would be nice if flash got a proper bracket of death this season. ro8 vs snow, ro4 vs rain, final vs jd would be a dream :D
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