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March 10th, 2018 17:42 GMT
Gigamatch

ASL5 is right around the corner and you know what that means? Power Rank time! Go ahead and read it, discuss it and share your own rankings!
 

#1: Flash [image loading]
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3 times! 3 times! 3 time ASL champion! And still going strong, so strong that it's rumored that in a meeting between Afreeca and the players, an Afreeca employee openly mused about how to get rid of Flash this season. It's one thing to say when it's one against 15 (being seeded in the Ro16), but it's a whole different thing when you’re this dominant that the tournament organizers are against you.

 

#2: Larva
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Following his Ro4 run last season, being shy of the finals by a single game against hero, Larva has not only continued to tear up the sponmatch scene, but has also come to a point where he's able to take series of matches against anyone not named Flash (some numbers are skewed due to older versions of sparkle too). Larva is in the best form of his life and being fast tracked into the Ro16 certainly earns him this high spot.

 

#3: Rain
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Rain’s performance in the Wildcard matches against Killer and Soulkey proves that he's earned his spot in the Ro16. His overall performance against zergs these last two months have shown that Protoss players need not lose hope for representation this season. While Rain’s performance against Terran is still a cause for concern, he has fared a lot better against them in offline matches than he has online.

 

#4: Soulkey
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Soulkey is the best zerg in the sponmatch scene as we speak and others will argue (with great merit too) that he's the best zerg player at the moment, but his performance offline doesn’t always live up to promise. His performance in a Bo5 scenario can make or break his run, but an entry to the bracket stages is pretty much a given where he is among his peers.

 

#5: BeSt
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There is no known unknowns with BeSt when it comes to his performance. His macro is always insane and his decision making skills are always questionable. Last season, he was out maneuvered by Mong in the Ro16 and suffered a bad case of PvP, thus proving me wrong that he would certainly make the Ro8. This season however, I’m doubling down on that claim. He should by all accounts make it to the Ro8. If any of the above 3 are not on his side, he should make a deeper run too.

 

#6: Last [image loading]
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The fall of Last was a quiet one, it just sort of happened and nobody took notice since Flash pretty much overshadowed all Terrans by that point. Still, the numbers on sponbbang continue to prove that he is the second best Terran out there well capable of being more than a match against anyone this season.

 

#7: by.hero
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Hero is the the anti-Soulkey where in the case of online sponmatches, hero while good, isn't something overly special or catches the eyes of anyone (though he's doing pretty well at the moment). But, then he busts out into the finals of the ASL like last season. It's likely some could argue his bracket luck was great last season, but his run was well deserved and he played the best matches against his opponents.

 

#8: Mind [image loading]
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Mind has been having a resurgence in form as of late thanks to his performance in KRS weeklies during the downtime. While KRS does make it impossible to see just how much his TvT is holding up his play, his other 2 matchups have been consistently solid so far and it's likely that he’ll continue the performance going into this season.

 

#9: Jaedong
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Jaedong has good days and bad days, on a good day, he’s very much capable of 4 killing Terran and Protoss teams for the zerg team on KRS and there are days when his wrists hurt so much, it's just not possible to do much. But, one thing can be said, Jaedong has not gone out without a hard fought match with his opponents often just barely keeping up with him. The fans can hope they never do keep up with him. One more championship for one of the best there is, best there was and the best there ever will be, would be more than gratifying for everyone.

 

#10: EffOrt
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EffOrt is without a doubt a great zerg, even one of the best, but hot damn does he have a curse stronger than the CJ choke when it comes to the ASL. Be it, because of his unlucky opponent draw or his opponents suddenly gain superhuman confidence against him, it's like nothing has clicked for him in the history of the ASL, especially since EffOrt, like Jaedong is a player who often excels in the Bo5 scenario rather than the group stages. He is very capable of playing the best games against anyone above him.

 

#11: Shuttle
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Shuttle is a KRS monster at the moment, absolutely one of the better Protoss representatives out there and had there been another season of ATB, we’d probably see any team he was on be considered pretty strong because of him. While the ASL 1 champion has had his ups and downs over the last year, right now, he's on the up and up and could really use a single run to showcase what most people have been missing about him so far.

 

#12: Snow
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His fans will swear by him. Definitely a strong protoss with a PvT that's truly his own style, but he's still a bit rough around the edges when it comes to his PvZ. But, there's nothing a bit of sparkle cannot fix for a Protoss right now.

 

#13: Stork
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If you’ve been following the map test, you will come to know one thing, Stork wins on sparkle. He's amazing on the map and he's going to have a good run this season, but will it be enough? Probably not, but he's definitely going to do pretty well this season and a boost of confidence from Sparkle might help him get a better mindset on practicing on other maps.

 

#14: Sharp [image loading]
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Sharp had a hard loss last season against Killer on the final set of his Ro16 Group. His TvT is still solid and his TvZ, while isn’t anything special can usually get him wins. His TvP however has always been a weak spot. Luckily, it's not like he's going to face Mini in the Ro24 on Sparkle and he's already beaten him in the Ro24 last season.

 

#15: Mong [image loading]
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Mong is relatively in the same situation that he was in last season and to reiterate on the point we made last time, given an easy group, it's possible for him to get ahead, but his Ro24 group this season seems like its going to be a tough call for him.

 

#16: Sea [image loading]
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Sea’s removal last season also meant that to him, he made the transition from player to full time entertainer. While still a solid terran and overall balanced in all his matchups, its unlikely that we’ll ever see a deep run coming out from Sea unless he decides to practice harder than anyone else, or at least hard enough to tell his mom what a monster he's become.

 

#17: Mini
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Mini will continue to subvert all expectations of him. He's good but inconsistent vs good players and bad vs mediocre players. Sparkle might save him from a very bad fate this season.

 

#18: Light [image loading]
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You probably didn’t see that Light even qualified for this season. Well, he did it the only way he knows how, killing Zergs and mostly keeping away from Protoss, because Light is still Light and his TvP as always makes a fan cry.

 

#19: Rush [image loading]
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Rush is a practice monster. He's very capable of grinding games and meticulously preparing for his opponents, however, group stages are always the enemy of such players. Funny enough, he's going up against Mind again in his group and he can only hope things go better for him.

 

#20: Movie
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After missing out on ASL4, Movie has been all but absent from the scene. It's highly unlikely that the Iron Reaver will make a deep run, but then again for Protoss players, this season looks to be the one that pushes their numbers.

 

#21: Sky
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Sky’s performance after qualifying last season was pretty much crushing and abysmal. It's likely he was hit hard by nerves, but now that he has another chance to get back up there, this former early sonic era protoss star looks to make another hopefully meaningful run for his career.

 

#22: Pusan
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Pusan’s qualifier final match against Killer was the most exciting game on the qualifiers, however it was one of those games that do not inspire confidence for a longer run. Best we can hope for from the Spirit Toss is that he gives us more entertaining games.

 

#23: Action
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The Mafia Zerg makes his ASL debut.For those who don't know Action's history, he was one of the best management zergs out there in the KeSPA era, first as Ace of ESTRO and then the Zerg frontrunner for KT Rolster. The general sentiment towards him was that once he got to hive, he was just unstoppable in ZvT. He's had constant showings so far in the KRS (in fact, pretty much a mainstay for team zerg) that show that he may not be rusty anymore, but it's his first offline outing in a long time, so expect fumbles.

 

#24: Shine
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Shine may have come back to being in full observer mode from his bag of builds state based on his performance in the last season, dropping quickly in the Ro16 (seeded into an all-Zerg group). With no time to show anything during his downtime due to his obligations to Afreeca, it's unlikely we will see another ASL3 level run from him.

 

#25: Horang2
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This qualification comes as a real surprise seeing as how Horang2 spends his time playing PUBG with fellow streamers these days, but I guess Starcraft senses make it, so that the Tiger Toss could make another run for an ASL, though he might not make it far.

 

#26: GuemChi
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Wind back the clocks to 2 years ago and I’d tell you that GuemChi was one of the best protoss players in the post-KeSPA scene, but now he's more of an entertainment streamer and will get knocked out pretty early.

 

#27: Calm
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It's about time we saw Calm in ASL. He's been practicing and attempting qualifiers for a couple of seasons now, but hasn’t made much of a showing outside of that either. Maybe now that he has made it in, we could probably get those 5 or I think 6 STX fans in our community back. But, his opening group looks like a bit too much of a challenge for him to get past.

 

#28: Where
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Where or MIsO is becoming the perennial rookie who always makes it into the ASL but never gets past the Ro24. Maybe this is his season? His Ro24 group seems to make me think no.


 

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duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
March 10 2018 18:25 GMT
#2
Larva will destroy everyone in 2008
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Ovi
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March 10 2018 18:34 GMT
#3
Very hyped! Great write-up.
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United States33483 Posts
March 10 2018 18:40 GMT
#4
Bret Hart's career also prematurely ended due to injury :'(
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Ziggy
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South Korea2105 Posts
March 10 2018 18:42 GMT
#5
Still a better way to go than some of the other Harts...
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A.Alm
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Sweden531 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 18:46:26
March 10 2018 18:46 GMT
#6
I really hope we see Larva vs Flash finals/semifinals with larva winning
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
March 10 2018 20:20 GMT
#7
Jaedong the Excellence Of Execution. <3
heavy-smoker
Profile Joined March 2018
Chile11 Posts
March 10 2018 20:21 GMT
#8
Thanks for the post, i hope to see a different top 4 for a change
legoboomette
Profile Joined December 2011
England165 Posts
March 10 2018 20:30 GMT
#9
What happened to Killer? I'm out of the loop these days.
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FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
March 10 2018 20:52 GMT
#10
Now that's a ranking I can get behind
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oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1240 Posts
March 10 2018 21:17 GMT
#11
I would have Shuttle and Hero higher, Best and Mind lower.

Soulkey is number two IMO. Larva is 3.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 10 2018 21:38 GMT
#12
So is there any chance Flash is going to be knocked out at any point?
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 22:25:27
March 10 2018 22:25 GMT
#13
From the BeSt article

If any of the above 3 are not on his side


Looks like somebody second guessed BeSt's ranking

Edit: Or is that meant to exclude FlaSh explicitly?
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10682 Posts
March 10 2018 22:48 GMT
#14
Amazing, super hype!!! ....FlaSh is too good clearly for ASL lol
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10233 Posts
March 10 2018 22:51 GMT
#15
FLASH GOGO
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Profile Joined September 2017
43 Posts
March 10 2018 22:55 GMT
#16
On March 11 2018 06:38 Pandain wrote:
So is there any chance Flash is going to be knocked out at any point?


he's probably going to win them all until he starts military service
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Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
March 10 2018 23:24 GMT
#17
Excellent write up. I am really savouring this ASL
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Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 10 2018 23:33 GMT
#18
On March 11 2018 06:38 Pandain wrote:
So is there any chance Flash is going to be knocked out at any point?

Ofc there is a chance for that, flash might be the best but he can still lose. Though he might actually be favored to win ASL against the whole field, meaning it's more likely that he wins than it is that he doesn't win, which is pretty insane.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5187 Posts
March 10 2018 23:36 GMT
#19
On March 11 2018 06:38 Pandain wrote:
So is there any chance Flash is going to be knocked out at any point?

I can see Best or Stork beat Flash in a Bo5. JD and Soulkey would be my next picks as contenders, but their decision making vs T seems too heavily focused on flawless micro execution. As the game progresses that ultimately just backfires vs. Flash. Out of all Zergs, I really want to say Hero is the one to take out Flash, his decision making tends to take the most realistic approach. He just isn't consistent enough in his overall execution for a Bo5 win over god...

Any Terran doesn't stand a chance, unless Flash decides to get humiliated by D-matrixed siege tanks once more.....
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5187 Posts
March 10 2018 23:40 GMT
#20
Ranking Pusan above Shine is just hating.
FBH #1!
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-10 23:51:12
March 10 2018 23:50 GMT
#21
Nice to see Larva getting better and better. Can he challenge Flash himself? Time will tell.
My heart goes to JD, as always.
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
March 11 2018 00:00 GMT
#22
On March 11 2018 08:50 letian wrote:
Nice to see Larva getting better and better. Can he challenge Flash himself? Time will tell.
My heart goes to JD, as always.


didn't he 5-0 Flash few days ago?
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3122 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-11 10:25:35
March 11 2018 00:34 GMT
#23
I love the Bret Hart reference.

This will be an interesting ASL for sure. That sparkle map should provide some interesting games for us.
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Canada42 Posts
March 11 2018 01:09 GMT
#24
The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1001 Posts
March 11 2018 01:11 GMT
#25
Really sleeping on Mini here. You're putting Stork above him?
SirGlinG
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Sweden933 Posts
March 11 2018 01:51 GMT
#26
What's KRS, ATB, sponmatches?

Haven't followed actively since last ASL.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-11 02:03:45
March 11 2018 02:03 GMT
#27
On March 11 2018 10:11 iopq wrote:
Really sleeping on Mini here. You're putting Stork above him?


Mini is extremely underrated but so is Stork. He has the best winrate among all P's on Sparkle (77.3% past 2 months) and hes 22-4 (84.6%) vs Z.
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United States532 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-11 02:20:53
March 11 2018 02:15 GMT
#28
love wrestling, always glad to see a reference
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Brazil255 Posts
March 11 2018 04:23 GMT
#29
YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ALL PLAYERS ARE CREATED EQUAL BUT THEN YOU LOOK AT FLASH AND YOU LOOK AT RAIN AND YOU SEE THAT STATEMENT IS NOT TRUE. YOU SEE NORMALLY WHEN YOU GO UP AGAINST ANOTHER PLAYER YOU HAVE A 50% CHANCE OF WINNING. BUT FLASH IS A GENETIC FREAK AND HES NOT NORMAL, SO YOU GOT 25% AT BEST AT BEAT HIM. AND THEN YOU ADD LARVA TO THE MIX, AND YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING DRASTIC GO DOWN.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2018
53 Posts
March 11 2018 04:45 GMT
#30
man is this picture serious? this site used to have a little class. this is somewhat ridiculous.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2017
Finland734 Posts
March 11 2018 05:02 GMT
#31
On March 11 2018 08:40 Peeano wrote:
Ranking Pusan above Shine is just hating.


Pusan should be ranked above everyone imo.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10233 Posts
March 11 2018 05:08 GMT
#32
On March 11 2018 13:45 Tempest99 wrote:
man is this picture serious? this site used to have a little class. this is somewhat ridiculous.

you're not serious are you?
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 11 2018 05:30 GMT
#33
does JD say on stream that his wrists hurt like crazy? that blows donkey balls. so basically he is shortening his career every-time he plays. great.
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Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
March 11 2018 06:11 GMT
#34
On March 11 2018 14:30 Golgotha wrote:
does JD say on stream that his wrists hurt like crazy? that blows donkey balls. so basically he is shortening his career every-time he plays. great.


Jaedong's regulary puts icepacks on his wrists between games to reduce the pain & swelling. His doctors have urged him to quit gaming completely before the damage is permanent.
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Japan1926 Posts
March 11 2018 07:43 GMT
#35
ahahaha who would have thought to see the one, the only, BRET THE HITMAN HART
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Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1202 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-11 09:27:42
March 11 2018 09:22 GMT
#36
Reminder that Shuttle is ranked 11, and Where/Miso is ranked 28.


+ Show Spoiler +
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Hungary5221 Posts
March 11 2018 09:24 GMT
#37
Thank you for this!

Can't wait to bicker about it as the season goes forward :D
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Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
March 11 2018 11:00 GMT
#38
There is a precedent of a rule change to penalize the best in sports. 1976-1978 Ingemar Stenmark won the world cup in alpine skiing. 1979 there was a rule change targeted him specifically. It didn't matter anymore that he won with seconds in a sport where there usually is only parts of seconds that differ the top.
Please don't do that, ASL!
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Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
March 11 2018 12:23 GMT
#39
On March 11 2018 20:00 Drfilip wrote:
There is a precedent of a rule change to penalize the best in sports. 1976-1978 Ingemar Stenmark won the world cup in alpine skiing. 1979 there was a rule change targeted him specifically. It didn't matter anymore that he won with seconds in a sport where there usually is only parts of seconds that differ the top.
Please don't do that, ASL!


They don't! Even more, they introduced a map that zerg has no chance against T in bo3/5
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Malaysia1374 Posts
March 11 2018 14:49 GMT
#40
poor light, forever the invisible terran
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Profile Blog Joined December 2013
France333 Posts
March 11 2018 17:25 GMT
#41
10/10 picture
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1711 Posts
March 12 2018 09:45 GMT
#42
Is that the reason for the island map? To get rid of flash... It's interesting how flash will play in that map... Go go go flash!
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orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
March 12 2018 10:10 GMT
#43
On March 12 2018 18:45 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
Is that the reason for the island map? To get rid of flash... It's interesting how flash will play in that map... Go go go flash!


Flash has arguably the best drop and wraith micro in recent years, so I don't think sparkle is a detriment to him. It may even highlight some specific strengths.
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OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
March 12 2018 10:40 GMT
#44
On March 12 2018 19:10 orvinreyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2018 18:45 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
Is that the reason for the island map? To get rid of flash... It's interesting how flash will play in that map... Go go go flash!


Flash has arguably the best drop and wraith micro in recent years, so I don't think sparkle is a detriment to him. It may even highlight some specific strengths.

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March 12 2018 10:50 GMT
#45
FML won't be able to catch this season but believe it's gonna be a big blast with unique maps. Larva fighting!
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Profile Joined January 2018
74 Posts
March 12 2018 12:39 GMT
#46
I've always seen good Horang2 matches, his micro is fantastic. Maybe the lack of trust on himself has not allowed him to be a reference at the last years. But now i see him more confident, and I think he could even finish first in his group.
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Canada16980 Posts
March 13 2018 18:00 GMT
#47
the '97 Montreal Screwjob was a work.
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Alpha-NP-
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United States1242 Posts
March 14 2018 05:28 GMT
#48
Can someone tell me something about who is Movie?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-14 06:09:58
March 14 2018 06:06 GMT
#49
On March 14 2018 03:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
the '97 Montreal Screwjob was a work.

yeah we're all just jabronie marks that don't know it a work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot,marks.

On March 14 2018 14:28 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Can someone tell me something about who is Movie?


former CJ entus Protoss player, a solid A teamer in proleague who had good PvZ and was the EVER09 OSL Finalist.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-14 07:47:14
March 14 2018 07:42 GMT
#50
On March 14 2018 14:28 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Can someone tell me something about who is Movie?


Historically speaking?

Probably the most accomplished protoss player (professional career-wise) who made his debut after the professional debut of the "Six Dragons" (the last generation of great protoss players who made their professional debut between 2004 and 2006).

Protoss champions who made his professional debut after 2007: Nobody
Protoss finalists who made his professional debut after 2007: Movie
Protoss semi-finalists who made his professional debut after 2007: Movie
Protoss quarter-finalists who made his professional debut after 2007: Movie (two times), Stats (once), SnOw (once), Grape (once), and Mini (once)

Top five protoss players who made their debut after 2007, ranked by their overall number of ProLeague victories:

1. Stats: 86-60 (58.9%)
2. Movie: 76-67 (53.1%)
3. Horang2: 68-48 (58.6%)
4. SnOw: 54-47 (53.5%)
5. Sea.GuemChi: 48-58 (45.3%)

His on-and-off relationship with Brood War and streaming in general after his professional career came to a close hasn't exactly helped his legacy, but there was once a time when Movie was the next bright hope for the protoss race. Despite his extremely low APM, his sturdy yet potent style versus zergs (Movie has one of the highest professional career win rates versus the zerg race from the protoss race), always allowed Movie to progress past those pesky zerg players in the individual leagues unlike most of his peers.
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
March 14 2018 13:38 GMT
#51
Thank you very much guys. I was interested in knowing more about him.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
March 14 2018 23:23 GMT
#52
I'm not actually familiar with most of these players so I kind of guessed at the liquibets. If this rankings are right though my bets are going down the toilet.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
TheSkilfulQuail
Profile Joined March 2018
35 Posts
March 15 2018 00:25 GMT
#53
Great explanation of movie! I love some of his old games so it's nice for someone to say something more than that he got in a finals once.

So I've been trying to watch some Korean streams and a lot of the players are easy to recognise via thumbnails or usernames etc, but I can't find soulkey. Could someone give me a link to his steam please?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 15 2018 01:22 GMT
#54
On March 14 2018 14:28 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Can someone tell me something about who is Movie?

Movie is that guy who had some great finishes this era and seemed to pull them out of thin air. In all seriousness, back in like 2014/15 when SSL was still ongoing, he would barely be practicing then he would come in and advance from his group against all expectations. He also had great PvZ as well but sadly, doesn't practice or stream much anymore afaik so he's not in the same form as he was in the past. Teacher Movie fighting! ~
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
March 17 2018 04:31 GMT
#55
Sky fighting! rank 21!

oh wait...
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1767 Posts
March 17 2018 05:57 GMT
#56
Sky will win for sure
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HungrySC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States191 Posts
March 29 2018 13:33 GMT
#57
Dunno why so much hate for Shine.

There's something to be said for just having the ability to win games when it matters.

Regardless of any perceived differences in skill I'd take Shine over Effort any day.
"First say to yourself what you would be; And then do what you have to do. (Epictetus)
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2041 Posts
March 29 2018 16:22 GMT
#58
On March 15 2018 09:25 TheSkilfulQuail wrote:
Great explanation of movie! I love some of his old games so it's nice for someone to say something more than that he got in a finals once.

So I've been trying to watch some Korean streams and a lot of the players are easy to recognise via thumbnails or usernames etc, but I can't find soulkey. Could someone give me a link to his steam please?


http://korhal.info.pl/#/soulkey
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
TheSkilfulQuail
Profile Joined March 2018
35 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-29 23:49:19
March 29 2018 23:48 GMT
#59
On March 30 2018 01:22 kogeT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2018 09:25 TheSkilfulQuail wrote:
Great explanation of movie! I love some of his old games so it's nice for someone to say something more than that he got in a finals once.

So I've been trying to watch some Korean streams and a lot of the players are easy to recognise via thumbnails or usernames etc, but I can't find soulkey. Could someone give me a link to his steam please?


http://korhal.info.pl/#/soulkey


Thanks!
Hope he does better next season...
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
March 30 2018 07:48 GMT
#60
Man this ASL wrecked most of these power rankings. Am I wrong?
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
March 30 2018 07:51 GMT
#61
On March 14 2018 16:42 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2018 14:28 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Can someone tell me something about who is Movie?


Historically speaking?

Probably the most accomplished protoss player (professional career-wise) who made his debut after the professional debut of the "Six Dragons" (the last generation of great protoss players who made their professional debut between 2004 and 2006).

Protoss champions who made his professional debut after 2007: Nobody
Protoss finalists who made his professional debut after 2007: Movie
Protoss semi-finalists who made his professional debut after 2007: Movie
Protoss quarter-finalists who made his professional debut after 2007: Movie (two times), Stats (once), SnOw (once), Grape (once), and Mini (once)

Top five protoss players who made their debut after 2007, ranked by their overall number of ProLeague victories:

1. Stats: 86-60 (58.9%)
2. Movie: 76-67 (53.1%)
3. Horang2: 68-48 (58.6%)
4. SnOw: 54-47 (53.5%)
5. Sea.GuemChi: 48-58 (45.3%)

His on-and-off relationship with Brood War and streaming in general after his professional career came to a close hasn't exactly helped his legacy, but there was once a time when Movie was the next bright hope for the protoss race. Despite his extremely low APM, his sturdy yet potent style versus zergs (Movie has one of the highest professional career win rates versus the zerg race from the protoss race), always allowed Movie to progress past those pesky zerg players in the individual leagues unlike most of his peers.

Great post. But wouldn't horang2 be number 2? I mean hes 5% higher on win rate. Total wins can't be everything.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-30 08:48:17
March 30 2018 08:23 GMT
#62
On March 30 2018 16:51 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2018 16:42 Letmelose wrote:
On March 14 2018 14:28 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Can someone tell me something about who is Movie?


Historically speaking?

Probably the most accomplished protoss player (professional career-wise) who made his debut after the professional debut of the "Six Dragons" (the last generation of great protoss players who made their professional debut between 2004 and 2006).

Protoss champions who made his professional debut after 2007: Nobody
Protoss finalists who made his professional debut after 2007: Movie
Protoss semi-finalists who made his professional debut after 2007: Movie
Protoss quarter-finalists who made his professional debut after 2007: Movie (two times), Stats (once), SnOw (once), Grape (once), and Mini (once)

Top five protoss players who made their debut after 2007, ranked by their overall number of ProLeague victories:

1. Stats: 86-60 (58.9%)
2. Movie: 76-67 (53.1%)
3. Horang2: 68-48 (58.6%)
4. SnOw: 54-47 (53.5%)
5. Sea.GuemChi: 48-58 (45.3%)

His on-and-off relationship with Brood War and streaming in general after his professional career came to a close hasn't exactly helped his legacy, but there was once a time when Movie was the next bright hope for the protoss race. Despite his extremely low APM, his sturdy yet potent style versus zergs (Movie has one of the highest professional career win rates versus the zerg race from the protoss race), always allowed Movie to progress past those pesky zerg players in the individual leagues unlike most of his peers.

Great post. But wouldn't horang2 be number 2? I mean hes 5% higher on win rate. Total wins can't be everything.


Sure that's one explanation of the status quo, but I am of a different opinion. By that logic Horang2 becomes the greatest PvP professional Brood War player of all time because of his superior win rates.

I personally tend to not associate player strength with ProLeague win rates. It tends to be heavily influenced by the coach's ability to organize the roster entry. Overall number of victories and number of games are more indicative of a team's innate trust in the player himself.

For example, Horang2 was somebody who was strong at PvP, and was weak at PvZ. Movie was somebody who was strong at PvZ, and was weak at PvP.

Horang2 was fortunate enough to play PvP (his strongest match-up) in 51.7% of his ProLeague games, while only being sniped by the enemy team in PvZ games in 20.7% of his ProLeague games.

Movie was unfortunate in that his PvZ ProLeague matches comprised only 35.7% of his ProLeague games, while his weakest match-up of PvP comprised 35.0% of his ProLeague games. He roughly has an even distribution of all three match-ups within the ProLeague setting. Perhaps his team thought of him as an all rounder, perhaps he was sniped more successfully than Horang2 who was almost never sent in conditions that would bring out the worst in him.

Horang2 filled a nice niche as the greatest PvP ProLeague sniper of the final years of professional Brood War, but his high win rates are more indicative of his coaches ability to correctly recognize his player's attributes, rather than Horang2 being innately more successful than Movie within the ProLeague setting.

Any half-decent player can have insanely high win rates if they only play on their favourite map, in their favourite match-up, carefully picking who to go against, and playing only when their form is top notch. Movie's lower ProLeague win rate is more indicative of his team's trust in him to play his non-favourite match-ups with some competency, in my opinion, maybe that was somewhat unfounded, but who is to say that Horang2 would have had higher win rates if he was given more opportunities considering the fact that he was more limited as a player?
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
March 30 2018 12:29 GMT
#63
On March 30 2018 16:48 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Man this ASL wrecked most of these power rankings. Am I wrong?


well I enjoy being wrong on this :D
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
March 30 2018 15:28 GMT
#64
On March 30 2018 17:23 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2018 16:51 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On March 14 2018 16:42 Letmelose wrote:
On March 14 2018 14:28 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Can someone tell me something about who is Movie?


Historically speaking?

Probably the most accomplished protoss player (professional career-wise) who made his debut after the professional debut of the "Six Dragons" (the last generation of great protoss players who made their professional debut between 2004 and 2006).

Protoss champions who made his professional debut after 2007: Nobody
Protoss finalists who made his professional debut after 2007: Movie
Protoss semi-finalists who made his professional debut after 2007: Movie
Protoss quarter-finalists who made his professional debut after 2007: Movie (two times), Stats (once), SnOw (once), Grape (once), and Mini (once)

Top five protoss players who made their debut after 2007, ranked by their overall number of ProLeague victories:

1. Stats: 86-60 (58.9%)
2. Movie: 76-67 (53.1%)
3. Horang2: 68-48 (58.6%)
4. SnOw: 54-47 (53.5%)
5. Sea.GuemChi: 48-58 (45.3%)

His on-and-off relationship with Brood War and streaming in general after his professional career came to a close hasn't exactly helped his legacy, but there was once a time when Movie was the next bright hope for the protoss race. Despite his extremely low APM, his sturdy yet potent style versus zergs (Movie has one of the highest professional career win rates versus the zerg race from the protoss race), always allowed Movie to progress past those pesky zerg players in the individual leagues unlike most of his peers.

Great post. But wouldn't horang2 be number 2? I mean hes 5% higher on win rate. Total wins can't be everything.


Sure that's one explanation of the status quo, but I am of a different opinion. By that logic Horang2 becomes the greatest PvP professional Brood War player of all time because of his superior win rates.

I personally tend to not associate player strength with ProLeague win rates. It tends to be heavily influenced by the coach's ability to organize the roster entry. Overall number of victories and number of games are more indicative of a team's innate trust in the player himself.

For example, Horang2 was somebody who was strong at PvP, and was weak at PvZ. Movie was somebody who was strong at PvZ, and was weak at PvP.

Horang2 was fortunate enough to play PvP (his strongest match-up) in 51.7% of his ProLeague games, while only being sniped by the enemy team in PvZ games in 20.7% of his ProLeague games.

Movie was unfortunate in that his PvZ ProLeague matches comprised only 35.7% of his ProLeague games, while his weakest match-up of PvP comprised 35.0% of his ProLeague games. He roughly has an even distribution of all three match-ups within the ProLeague setting. Perhaps his team thought of him as an all rounder, perhaps he was sniped more successfully than Horang2 who was almost never sent in conditions that would bring out the worst in him.

Horang2 filled a nice niche as the greatest PvP ProLeague sniper of the final years of professional Brood War, but his high win rates are more indicative of his coaches ability to correctly recognize his player's attributes, rather than Horang2 being innately more successful than Movie within the ProLeague setting.

Any half-decent player can have insanely high win rates if they only play on their favourite map, in their favourite match-up, carefully picking who to go against, and playing only when their form is top notch. Movie's lower ProLeague win rate is more indicative of his team's trust in him to play his non-favourite match-ups with some competency, in my opinion, maybe that was somewhat unfounded, but who is to say that Horang2 would have had higher win rates if he was given more opportunities considering the fact that he was more limited as a player?


I love your posts so much. I wondered why you would disagree with him and your explanation for it is just perfect. Please keep posting.
DracoMortuiVolantus
Profile Joined October 2016
68 Posts
March 30 2018 17:37 GMT
#65
god, why did i miss wildcards? ;(
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