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gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
March 03 2018 21:57 GMT
#121
On March 04 2018 06:38 gk_ender wrote:
Anybody got any PVT on sparkle.....Everything comes pvz, pvp, zvt, and a zvz...but pvt or tvt


Found one


Any idea why he chooses to go large army with shuttles vs carrier reaver? Is it because it's hard to get a third base? Or is it just him practicing this build and style?
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8531 Posts
March 03 2018 23:01 GMT
#122
On March 04 2018 06:57 gk_ender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 06:38 gk_ender wrote:
Anybody got any PVT on sparkle.....Everything comes pvz, pvp, zvt, and a zvz...but pvt or tvt


Found one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvzfVyPJ6w8

Any idea why he chooses to go large army with shuttles vs carrier reaver? Is it because it's hard to get a third base? Or is it just him practicing this build and style?


Haven't seen the game but maybe he was afraid of 2 port wraith, which would annihilate carriers and shuttles.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
March 03 2018 23:18 GMT
#123
Thanks for the videos I'm gonna watch them tonight.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
March 04 2018 01:44 GMT
#124
Main reason IMO is that shuttles give you more mobility. If terran is mass dropping you can't really afford to be stuck with the slowness of carriers.
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Tempest99
Profile Blog Joined January 2018
53 Posts
March 04 2018 02:03 GMT
#125
enthusiastic for these. i can relate to them. my favorite maps immediately for extra inclusion if there were such a thing would be something like jungle story, legacy of char and neo peaks.
Starcraft: Brood War player from 2001. Temp[e]st -- team [e]lement circa 2000.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
March 04 2018 04:45 GMT
#126
Wow, from how Stork played in that VOD, it's hard to imagine Terran beating Protoss on Sparkle without the Protoss fucking up real bad. There just doesn't seem to be a great way of checking Protoss's greed, and once the Arbiters and Carriers are out, good luck ..

I'm curious as to how PvP and ZvZ look on Sparkle, I'm sure it's very strange!
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8531 Posts
March 04 2018 04:52 GMT
#127
On March 04 2018 08:01 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 06:57 gk_ender wrote:
On March 04 2018 06:38 gk_ender wrote:
Anybody got any PVT on sparkle.....Everything comes pvz, pvp, zvt, and a zvz...but pvt or tvt


Found one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvzfVyPJ6w8

Any idea why he chooses to go large army with shuttles vs carrier reaver? Is it because it's hard to get a third base? Or is it just him practicing this build and style?


Haven't seen the game but maybe he was afraid of 2 port wraith, which would annihilate carriers and shuttles.


After watching game 1 I'm pretty sure he did it because he saw the early goliath. Light went Vult-Goliath. You basically don't have a chance to catch up and get to the critical number of carriers.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 08:22:17
March 04 2018 08:20 GMT
#128
On March 04 2018 13:45 ArvickHero wrote:
Wow, from how Stork played in that VOD, it's hard to imagine Terran beating Protoss on Sparkle without the Protoss fucking up real bad. There just doesn't seem to be a great way of checking Protoss's greed, and once the Arbiters and Carriers are out, good luck ..

I'm curious as to how PvP and ZvZ look on Sparkle, I'm sure it's very strange!

PvP is intense! It's drops, carriers, sair-reavers. I also saw cute things like cannon wars (for the center expansion in a previous version) and scouts mixed in with the air army.

I saw a great spon, Stork v Rain, yesterday that I think you'll enjoy.

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MystMir
Profile Joined August 2014
United States6 Posts
March 04 2018 08:33 GMT
#129
Haha I'm wondering is there any TvP that T ended up winning the game? I haven't seen any so far
MystMir
Profile Joined August 2014
United States6 Posts
March 04 2018 08:53 GMT
#130
Finally found one. Flash vs Snow:

It seems like you still can't kill those carriers. The only way to win for terran is to use mobility to kill nexus and probes, while piling up hundreds of turrets for defense.
Can't wait to see the real TvP in the coming ASL5 \o/
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2719 Posts
March 04 2018 09:00 GMT
#131
Protoss just looks unplayable against on island maps. ZvP = die to sair reaver, TvP = every game is playing against carrier time bomb
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4335 Posts
March 04 2018 09:21 GMT
#132
On March 04 2018 18:00 Terrorbladder wrote:
Protoss just looks unplayable against on island maps. ZvP = die to sair reaver, TvP = every game is playing against carrier time bomb

From what i have seen its almost impossible for z to win if toss has taken 3rd island w/ cannon/sair/DA.

While it's good to see different units and playstyles i think it'd be better if the map was semi island instead of full island.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8531 Posts
March 04 2018 09:22 GMT
#133
On March 04 2018 18:00 Terrorbladder wrote:
Protoss just looks unplayable against on island maps. ZvP = die to sair reaver, TvP = every game is playing against carrier time bomb


The thing is, Arbiters are also incredibly strong on island maps. In the first game of Stork vs Light, Stork had Arbiters sitting around for ages. When he finally used them it was gg. Especially in Goon vs Goliath on island maps, if you lose a battle you will lose your entire army that's there. You can't retreat. With arbiters you will most likely win most battles because you get the bigger army to the point in need. Especially defensive recalls should be strong.
[AS]Rattus
Profile Joined March 2017
427 Posts
March 04 2018 09:24 GMT
#134
hmm zerg doesn't look too well on this map either. only saw the matches flash vs larva but those looked extremely one-sided
Jukado
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
805 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 20:10:39
March 04 2018 19:08 GMT
#135
Updated OP with version 1.0 of both Sparkle and Transistor.
Thanks for the translations Terrorbladder.

Sparkle 1.0:
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Sparkle 0.99a → 1.0+ Show Spoiler +
-Removed the center expansion
-Added 2 mineral patches to each of the 12, 3, 6, 9 expansions
-Move the location of the Lairs at 12, 3, 6, 9 to allow building stuff without having to destroy the Lairs
-Added 3 mineral patches near the Zerg-only geyser of each base, reduced the gas in the natural geyser from 3500 to 3000, increased the gas in the Zerg-only geyser from 1500 to 3000
-Added a (Neutral Lair) in the corner of each base


Transistor 1.0:
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Transistor 0.992 → 1.0+ Show Spoiler +
-The one patch in each of the mains and the one patch in each of the nats that were 749 minerals have been reduced to 499 minerals. According to the author this is to reduce the number of marines that Terran can have late game against Zerg.
Star Tale Public Domain project. Maps: (2)Gates Of Memphis, (2)Marshmallow Toast, (4)Bubbles, (4)Clay Fields, (6)Numbskull Desert. Also the Vaylu Public Domain Tileset. Also Ramp Palettes, Brood War guides and some fun stuff. Links in my profile
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
March 04 2018 19:30 GMT
#136
No, the mineral yield reduction is just for the one extra mineral patches (the 10th in the main and 8th at the nat respectively), all other patches have the full 1.5k.
Jukado
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
805 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-06 14:29:27
March 04 2018 19:44 GMT
#137
Ill reword it to avoid potential confusion.
Star Tale Public Domain project. Maps: (2)Gates Of Memphis, (2)Marshmallow Toast, (4)Bubbles, (4)Clay Fields, (6)Numbskull Desert. Also the Vaylu Public Domain Tileset. Also Ramp Palettes, Brood War guides and some fun stuff. Links in my profile
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
March 04 2018 20:56 GMT
#138
So I've just sent an updated version of Transistor to 910, where I replaced all the Khaydarin Crystals with Installation doors to fix all the bugs and weirdness going on with the mains in the current version. Hope it finds its way to the map maker…
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
March 04 2018 23:18 GMT
#139
What was the purpose of these crystals?
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden523 Posts
March 05 2018 00:37 GMT
#140
i dont think we will see a single tvp win on sparkle :/
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