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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66201 Posts
March 07 2018 15:59 GMT
#181
On March 07 2018 20:32 A.Alm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2018 17:51 [AS]Rattus wrote:
has anybody scouted scouts yet on Sparkle?



is there a korean version of this?
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A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden523 Posts
March 07 2018 17:43 GMT
#182
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/531809-krs-season-3-week-1-on-3-5-1900-kst
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
March 07 2018 20:11 GMT
#183
When will we find out what the ro16 maps are? Or did they already announce them?
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden523 Posts
March 07 2018 21:45 GMT
#184
On March 08 2018 05:11 Alpha-NP- wrote:
When will we find out what the ro16 maps are? Or did they already announce them?


I don't think it's announced yet. Maybe they want to see how balanced and fun the new maps are before they decide or something.
Jukado
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
805 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-07 23:06:40
March 07 2018 23:02 GMT
#185
Transistor version 1.1 has been released.

An article on the maps can be found here (made by Legionnaire, BigFan and v1):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/531882-sparkle-and-transistor-map-analysis
Star Tale Public Domain project. Maps: (2)Gates Of Memphis, (2)Marshmallow Toast, (4)Bubbles, (4)Clay Fields, (6)Numbskull Desert. Also the Vaylu Public Domain Tileset. Also Ramp Palettes, Brood War guides and some fun stuff. Links in my profile
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
March 07 2018 23:05 GMT
#186
What was changed? And how are the maps stats per each matchup on Transitor?
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-08 07:28:14
March 08 2018 07:27 GMT
#187
It's already been released a couple days ago. The only change is that the annoying hallucinated minerals to push the workers in the left main have finally been replaced by hallucinated critters which overlap the SL building space (so they don't actually spawn when a player does).
I have send them a version with an even more elegant solution, but that's not been officially implemented yet.
[Fin]Vittu
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada507 Posts
March 08 2018 10:31 GMT
#188
what purpose did the hallucinated minerals/critters serve?
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4120 Posts
March 08 2018 10:38 GMT
#189
On March 08 2018 19:31 [Fin]Vittu wrote:
what purpose did the hallucinated minerals/critters serve?

For workers to spawn on the side of the minerals patches.
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TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
March 08 2018 14:59 GMT
#190
On March 07 2018 17:51 [AS]Rattus wrote:
has anybody scouted scouts yet on Sparkle?


I was thinking the same thing, scout air-to-air attack is theoretically pretty powerful against large units such as Devourers. Gotta watch the game!
WriterReV hwaiting!
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-08 15:07:37
March 08 2018 15:07 GMT
#191
On March 08 2018 23:59 TaardadAiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2018 17:51 [AS]Rattus wrote:
has anybody scouted scouts yet on Sparkle?


I was thinking the same thing, scout air-to-air attack is theoretically pretty powerful against large units such as Devourers. Gotta watch the game!

I saw Mini and Stork do it against Zerg. Worked for both of them if I recall correctly (however it was definitely one or two version before the current one).
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TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-08 15:33:43
March 08 2018 15:30 GMT
#192
On March 09 2018 00:07 PVJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2018 23:59 TaardadAiel wrote:
On March 07 2018 17:51 [AS]Rattus wrote:
has anybody scouted scouts yet on Sparkle?


I was thinking the same thing, scout air-to-air attack is theoretically pretty powerful against large units such as Devourers. Gotta watch the game!

I saw Mini and Stork do it against Zerg. Worked for both of them if I recall correctly (however it was definitely one or two version before the current one).


The way I see it, zerg establishes map control and ultra-expands pretty early in the game, so carriers are not sustainable, plus every interceptor attack gets offset by zerg's armor upgrade, so if both players have 3 attack/3 armor, respectively, an interceptor is still back to 6. Scouts, albeit not really cheap, are available much earlier, are faster with the speed upgrade, and are more efficient vs armor-upgraded devourers. Mutas rip them to shreds, though.

Another conclusion I draw from the Snow vs Miso game is that ensnare can be rendered useless through getting up close and personal with the zerg air.
WriterReV hwaiting!
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
March 08 2018 16:26 GMT
#193
ensnare still decreases rate of fire though
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Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-08 19:24:45
March 08 2018 19:16 GMT
#194
On March 09 2018 01:26 mishimaBeef wrote:
ensnare still decreases rate of fire though

According to the code it even seems like that Devourer Acid Spores and Ensnare stack multiplicatively (as the Acid Spore slow is applied first and then Ensnare applied as a further 25% cooldown increase on top of that).

With a base cooldown of 8 (lowest in the game, together with Zergling Claws, afaik) for Corsairs, that makes:
  • up to 8 + 3⋅9 = 35 cooldown with Acid Spores (or a DPS reduction of 77%)
  • up to (8 + 3⋅9) ⋅ 1.25 = 43 cooldown with Acid Spores and Ensnare (or a DPS reduction of 81%)

Real values are probably a bit lower, due to cooldown randomization which I think makes average cooldowns a bit longer than the base value.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8531 Posts
March 08 2018 21:42 GMT
#195
On March 08 2018 23:59 TaardadAiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2018 17:51 [AS]Rattus wrote:
has anybody scouted scouts yet on Sparkle?


I was thinking the same thing, scout air-to-air attack is theoretically pretty powerful against large units such as Devourers. Gotta watch the game!


Even Air to Air scouts are mediocre considering their cost.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
March 08 2018 22:11 GMT
#196
I remember if u massed like 3 control groups of scouts in the campaign u just steam roll everything lol

Vs a player who can actually control plague ensare and reinforce it probably doesnt work
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-08 22:12:31
March 08 2018 22:11 GMT
#197
On March 09 2018 06:42 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2018 23:59 TaardadAiel wrote:
On March 07 2018 17:51 [AS]Rattus wrote:
has anybody scouted scouts yet on Sparkle?


I was thinking the same thing, scout air-to-air attack is theoretically pretty powerful against large units such as Devourers. Gotta watch the game!


Even Air to Air scouts are mediocre considering their cost.

Scouts have the highest air to air damage output in the game together with the carrier, hardly mediocre.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8531 Posts
March 08 2018 22:23 GMT
#198
On March 09 2018 07:11 Cryoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2018 06:42 Miragee wrote:
On March 08 2018 23:59 TaardadAiel wrote:
On March 07 2018 17:51 [AS]Rattus wrote:
has anybody scouted scouts yet on Sparkle?


I was thinking the same thing, scout air-to-air attack is theoretically pretty powerful against large units such as Devourers. Gotta watch the game!


Even Air to Air scouts are mediocre considering their cost.

Scouts have the highest air to air damage output in the game together with the carrier, hardly mediocre.


That's not how things work though. There is splash in the game. Scouts are also slow as fuck. They got a range of 4. Even corsairs got a higher range. So their dmg output doesn't matter unless both parties move into melee range and then a-click...
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden523 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-08 22:28:32
March 08 2018 22:26 GMT
#199
On March 09 2018 07:23 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2018 07:11 Cryoc wrote:
On March 09 2018 06:42 Miragee wrote:
On March 08 2018 23:59 TaardadAiel wrote:
On March 07 2018 17:51 [AS]Rattus wrote:
has anybody scouted scouts yet on Sparkle?


I was thinking the same thing, scout air-to-air attack is theoretically pretty powerful against large units such as Devourers. Gotta watch the game!


Even Air to Air scouts are mediocre considering their cost.

Scouts have the highest air to air damage output in the game together with the carrier, hardly mediocre.


That's not how things work though. There is splash in the game. Scouts are also slow as fuck. They got a range of 4. Even corsairs got a higher range. So their dmg output doesn't matter unless both parties move into melee range and then a-click...


Scouts do well against devours. Carriers/Corsairs get a huge amount of their damage removed from 3 armor devours, while the scouts nearly do full damage. Scouts are also the fastest and 'most micro able' air unit protoss has. They are shit on normal maps, but they might be used quite a lot on Sparkle, esp lategame.
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-08 23:43:13
March 08 2018 23:42 GMT
#200
On March 09 2018 07:11 Cryoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2018 06:42 Miragee wrote:
On March 08 2018 23:59 TaardadAiel wrote:
On March 07 2018 17:51 [AS]Rattus wrote:
has anybody scouted scouts yet on Sparkle?


I was thinking the same thing, scout air-to-air attack is theoretically pretty powerful against large units such as Devourers. Gotta watch the game!


Even Air to Air scouts are mediocre considering their cost.

Scouts have the highest air to air damage output in the game together with the carrier, hardly mediocre.

That's not really true, at least not in a meaningfulk sense:
In direct encounter, Sairs, Valks and Devourer-Muta out-perform Scouts heavily (but these are dedicated anti-light-air/general anti-air combos, so no surprise there).
In direct comparison, Wraiths have a lot more DPS per cost and per supply (though not per EHP) than Scouts and can easily outmaneuver Scouts in a confrontation due to superior range and speed (not to mention Cloak). Scouts' damage also falls off a lot vs. heavily armoured units (Devourers, BCs, Carriers) due to being a double attack.
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