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On December 18 2017 23:15 AManHasNoName wrote:
Just so this isn't taken the wrong way, I'd like to preface it by saying that I absolutely do wish there were big money tournaments for the top foreign players. They work had and they deserve it without a doubt.

That said, there's something that I'm curious about.

My premise: For a tournament to be worth investing in/sponsoring, it must have the promise of sufficient viewership to provide a reasonable Return on Investment for the sponsor.
(If you disagree with this premise, please let me know why. But, I believe it's a fair statement for any sort of sustainable sponsorship ecosystem.)

My curiosity: We have multiple tournaments every weekend which are participated in by the majority of the top players in our foreign community. The viewership for these events is generally quite low, usually no more than 1000 viewers and typically substantially less than that.

What is it that leads those of you arguing that an event like this should be about skill/top players to believe that a larger prize pool would result in substantially larger viewership to justify the investment of a sponsor?

In closing: I believe that if there were statistics that showed it would be profitable for a sponsor to invest these larger prize pools in events for top foreign players, then they would be sponsoring them. The reason these large prize pools go to events like this that *more* about fun than competition is because they appeal to a broader audience and therefore have a higher potential ROI.

I'd like to hear from those of you who disagree with me as to why. I'm perfectly happy to be wrong in this case, but I haven't come up with any reasonable logic to prove myself wrong.

On December 16 2017 10:16 L_Master wrote:


True. But at the same time the prize pools have been large. It's not hard to understand why Eon and others would be more than a little bummed out.

In fairness though Eon, you guys right now are better players than most of these guys, but they are big name personas that have been relevant factors on TL and in SC2 as well. You're know by a small number of BW players, these guys are known by a much larger base, which is often the draw for invitationals.

The top four guys on the left are HUGE personalities in starcraft across both games. Tens of thousands of followers or more. Sheth is a very well known SC2 streamer. Draco is legit good right now and famous. NonY is also one of the most famous. White-Ra is a big name legend with some funny russian hype around him from BW and SC2.

The only two that seem out of place are Kawaii and Jaeyun. I don't know Jaeyun at all, and Kawaii as far as I know was good at BW/SC2 but was never really a big name either.

On December 17 2017 04:53 playa wrote:
The way to actually promote BW is to show that it can pay to actually play the game. These tournaments just foster "you should have been there to buddy up. Too late, but hope you enjoy our entertainment."

I hate to beat a dead horse, but it's really indicative of what BW has always been about. I once qualified for the final 4 of a WCG qualifer. There was no bracket or time given out, yet. Sheth and Nyoken decided to "MAKE THEIR OWN BRACKET" and time up, and not inform me nor the other guy (non old boys club member). They just played against each other to decide who would go to the USA finals...

The final 4 was supposed to be randomized; ie., no way to know who you should be playing until the admin made the bracket. It was the biggest joke to ever happen in esports. But, since it benefited the "old guard," it was viewed as the most legit thing ever. Totally normal and kosher. That's the kind of power that tl.net wielded over tournaments and the community. They do w/e they feel like, and if you're not apart of the buddy system, then you're a noob compared to us and you don't even deserve to play in things you qualified for

On December 19 2017 01:42 Liquid`Sheth wrote:

Hi. First, this never happened. I didn't have any clout with WCG. I wasn't a part of the old boys club then. I'm still not really now.

Second, I'm really sorry about the situation of the game and the tournament scene. I wish there was infinite tournaments with only the highest skill bracket of foreigners. I know I'm not good anymore. I'm just doing whatever small things I can to bring more attention to this game, because I love it. I think everyone at the event feels similarly. I hope our love for the game can help grow the scene and benefit the great foreigner players that are here.

On December 19 2017 08:34 playa wrote:

It takes even more audacity to claim this didn't happen. Apparently screwing others over is such a norm that it's hard to remember. I'm sure it's still searchable on the site. I even remember the other player in the final 4 that you two screwed over (timestop).

BW has always been a joke. I hear Xeris, who had jack to do with anything, encouraged you two to do the dumbest thing ever. If it didn't happen, I wonder how you ended up playing Nyoken in a final 4. Final 4 with 2 players, hmm... wonder how that can happen.

Meanwhile, I took a walkover only under the condition that it couldn't be rescheduled, and then played the guy when I had no obligation to, via WCG rules. Yet, I got attacked mercilessly for months... Why? Other guy was Idra. Welcome to TL.net.