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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3621 Posts
December 19 2017 01:58 GMT
#221
Wish there were more new players here... even if they don't have the cachet with the older fans (wait, am I "older" now?) I agree you gotta get new guys in and publicized if the scene's going to keep going.

Still great to pull up TL randomly and find a BW event on.
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-19 02:50:21
December 19 2017 02:45 GMT
#222
Its an end of year party stream, not a high skill tournament its meant to be full of jokes and laughs, zooming in on artosis's mouth when playing etc

Yeah 6k is alot of some players but tbh i think the prize pool was never the main thing it was to just advertise hey guys we have a prize pool too, look at current esport prize pools even for minor tournaments of big games 6k is like nothing to those games. Its nothing to those sponsers with samsung and tencent connections, if this event had no prize pool there would be no hate so this means some players think are entitled to this money that could have just gone else where.
Twitch and its sponsers didnt want a high skill tournament they wanted day9 incontrol tastosis and these other personailities and history figures that they know will get along for this fun stream twitch didnt have to give a prize pool its just common practice for showmatches.

Its a party...like an end of year office party with a raffle, ur not entitled to any of the prize...thats not what its about its for fun just enjoy it.

Get angry if its actually a tournament because this is not one

Tldr: personailities were considered first...without them this doesnt even exist
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 19 2017 02:46 GMT
#223
On December 19 2017 10:51 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2017 09:51 Xeris wrote:
On December 19 2017 08:34 playa wrote:
On December 19 2017 01:42 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
On December 17 2017 04:53 playa wrote:
The way to actually promote BW is to show that it can pay to actually play the game. These tournaments just foster "you should have been there to buddy up. Too late, but hope you enjoy our entertainment."

I hate to beat a dead horse, but it's really indicative of what BW has always been about. I once qualified for the final 4 of a WCG qualifer. There was no bracket or time given out, yet. Sheth and Nyoken decided to "MAKE THEIR OWN BRACKET" and time up, and not inform me nor the other guy (non old boys club member). They just played against each other to decide who would go to the USA finals...

The final 4 was supposed to be randomized; ie., no way to know who you should be playing until the admin made the bracket. It was the biggest joke to ever happen in esports. But, since it benefited the "old guard," it was viewed as the most legit thing ever. Totally normal and kosher. That's the kind of power that tl.net wielded over tournaments and the community. They do w/e they feel like, and if you're not apart of the buddy system, then you're a noob compared to us and you don't even deserve to play in things you qualified for


Hi. First, this never happened. I didn't have any clout with WCG. I wasn't a part of the old boys club then. I'm still not really now.

Second, I'm really sorry about the situation of the game and the tournament scene. I wish there was infinite tournaments with only the highest skill bracket of foreigners. I know I'm not good anymore. I'm just doing whatever small things I can to bring more attention to this game, because I love it. I think everyone at the event feels similarly. I hope our love for the game can help grow the scene and benefit the great foreigner players that are here.

It takes even more audacity to claim this didn't happen. Apparently screwing others over is such a norm that it's hard to remember. I'm sure it's still searchable on the site. I even remember the other player in the final 4 that you two screwed over (timestop).

BW has always been a joke. I hear Xeris, who had jack to do with anything, encouraged you two to do the dumbest thing ever. If it didn't happen, I wonder how you ended up playing Nyoken in a final 4. Final 4 with 2 players, hmm... wonder how that can happen.

Meanwhile, I took a walkover only under the condition that it couldn't be rescheduled, and then played the guy when I had no obligation to, via WCG rules. Yet, I got attacked mercilessly for months... Why? Other guy was Idra. Welcome to TL.net.


What... lol. I've never had anything to do with WCG.

Yeah I know, which irked me even more. Apparently you had some obsession with running tournaments whether involved or not. Interesting coincidence.


The fuck are you talking about lol ;d
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10875 Posts
December 19 2017 02:52 GMT
#224
On December 19 2017 10:51 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2017 09:51 Xeris wrote:
On December 19 2017 08:34 playa wrote:
On December 19 2017 01:42 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
On December 17 2017 04:53 playa wrote:
The way to actually promote BW is to show that it can pay to actually play the game. These tournaments just foster "you should have been there to buddy up. Too late, but hope you enjoy our entertainment."

I hate to beat a dead horse, but it's really indicative of what BW has always been about. I once qualified for the final 4 of a WCG qualifer. There was no bracket or time given out, yet. Sheth and Nyoken decided to "MAKE THEIR OWN BRACKET" and time up, and not inform me nor the other guy (non old boys club member). They just played against each other to decide who would go to the USA finals...

The final 4 was supposed to be randomized; ie., no way to know who you should be playing until the admin made the bracket. It was the biggest joke to ever happen in esports. But, since it benefited the "old guard," it was viewed as the most legit thing ever. Totally normal and kosher. That's the kind of power that tl.net wielded over tournaments and the community. They do w/e they feel like, and if you're not apart of the buddy system, then you're a noob compared to us and you don't even deserve to play in things you qualified for


Hi. First, this never happened. I didn't have any clout with WCG. I wasn't a part of the old boys club then. I'm still not really now.

Second, I'm really sorry about the situation of the game and the tournament scene. I wish there was infinite tournaments with only the highest skill bracket of foreigners. I know I'm not good anymore. I'm just doing whatever small things I can to bring more attention to this game, because I love it. I think everyone at the event feels similarly. I hope our love for the game can help grow the scene and benefit the great foreigner players that are here.

It takes even more audacity to claim this didn't happen. Apparently screwing others over is such a norm that it's hard to remember. I'm sure it's still searchable on the site. I even remember the other player in the final 4 that you two screwed over (timestop).

BW has always been a joke. I hear Xeris, who had jack to do with anything, encouraged you two to do the dumbest thing ever. If it didn't happen, I wonder how you ended up playing Nyoken in a final 4. Final 4 with 2 players, hmm... wonder how that can happen.

Meanwhile, I took a walkover only under the condition that it couldn't be rescheduled, and then played the guy when I had no obligation to, via WCG rules. Yet, I got attacked mercilessly for months... Why? Other guy was Idra. Welcome to TL.net.


What... lol. I've never had anything to do with WCG.

Yeah I know, which irked me even more. Apparently you had some obsession with running tournaments whether involved or not. Interesting coincidence.

It's a little wild to throw accusations this much later on in time, when all of this happened so long ago, no? Find the threads, Find proof, and stop derailing this thread, the event has been great...
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playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-19 03:01:45
December 19 2017 02:59 GMT
#225
I'll throw all the accusations I want, when it's already on the site. I remember Sheth saying Xeris talked them into it. Then the guy goes onto try to run every tournament out there. Look at me, I can run tournaments. Must be hard. So scummy, all around.

Point is, "tl favs" can do w/e they want and even ignore history on their site. Anyone else can be jewed and still be the bad guy. It's not even double standards. It's pure stupidity.

Finding proof? No one cared then, cause that's the tl.net way. Proof only matters if it favors "the good guys."

User was banned for this post.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10875 Posts
December 19 2017 03:06 GMT
#226
On December 19 2017 11:59 playa wrote:
I'll throw all the accusations I want, when it's already on the site. I remember Sheth saying Xeris talked them into it. Then the guy goes onto try to run every tournament out there. Look at me, I can run tournaments. Must be hard. So scummy, all around.

Point is, "tl favs" can do w/e they want and even ignore history on their site. Anyone else can be jewed and still be the bad guy. It's not even double standards. It's pure stupidity.

Finding proof? No one cared then, cause that's the tl.net way. Proof only matters if it favors "the good guys."

You're trying to create a witch hunt essentially with no proof so yea it is pretty pathetic
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-19 03:30:37
December 19 2017 03:12 GMT
#227
On December 19 2017 12:06 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2017 11:59 playa wrote:
I'll throw all the accusations I want, when it's already on the site. I remember Sheth saying Xeris talked them into it. Then the guy goes onto try to run every tournament out there. Look at me, I can run tournaments. Must be hard. So scummy, all around.

Point is, "tl favs" can do w/e they want and even ignore history on their site. Anyone else can be jewed and still be the bad guy. It's not even double standards. It's pure stupidity.

Finding proof? No one cared then, cause that's the tl.net way. Proof only matters if it favors "the good guys."

You're trying to create a witch hunt essentially with no proof so yea it is pretty pathetic

Not trying to create anything. It's like remembering 9/11. Where is the proof man? Reshow the video that's already on our site, so I can come up with some farcical excuses for it. Totally just imagining a final 4 of WCG where 2 players decided to play when there weren't even brackets made or a time listed. Who could possibly be at fault...

Just for "fun," I took the second. Correction, maybe it was only Nyoken who cited Xeris overeager, I'm an admin in tournaments that I have nothing to do with persona:
On June 01 2009 16:45 nyoken wrote:
I'm going to make 1 big post explaining it.

I login today and see only chosen is in the channel. Chosen tells me timestop asked him to reschedule. I know nothing of this. Machinehead clearly knows nothing of this because he doesn't even know about the tournament. I don't believe Machinehead doesn't know because he just participated in the last qualifier. That was on sunday which got rescheduled to a different day because day[9] got agreement from all the players to change it. There was clearly no agreement in this one.

Based on chosen's post he says he is going to "try" to ask the admins to reschedule. That doesn't mean it will be. Since no admins are online Chosen suggests we play out our games now. I said we should play it later because I don't want any problems. Xeris enters the channel around this time and says that we should play it out, too. I agree to it. There are no admins so we play it out. I end up winning the bo3s.

People in here are saying that the finals can't be walkovered and that there was no time posted for the tournament.


Basically, everyone played stupid. All of the players, besides timestop, routinely were in the final 4s. The final 4 was always played out at 2 central and it was COMMON KNOWLEDGE there are no games to be played until the admin makes the bracket and puts it on their site. Unfortunately, WCG admins were so horrible that anything that took attention off them and their mistakes, they were always for it. Xeris... such a parasite.



BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
December 19 2017 03:30 GMT
#228
i can taste your bitterness from here

Sean's laugh murders me, and how the hell did Nony just man handle that attack
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10875 Posts
December 19 2017 03:30 GMT
#229
On December 19 2017 12:12 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2017 12:06 GGzerG wrote:
On December 19 2017 11:59 playa wrote:
I'll throw all the accusations I want, when it's already on the site. I remember Sheth saying Xeris talked them into it. Then the guy goes onto try to run every tournament out there. Look at me, I can run tournaments. Must be hard. So scummy, all around.

Point is, "tl favs" can do w/e they want and even ignore history on their site. Anyone else can be jewed and still be the bad guy. It's not even double standards. It's pure stupidity.

Finding proof? No one cared then, cause that's the tl.net way. Proof only matters if it favors "the good guys."

You're trying to create a witch hunt essentially with no proof so yea it is pretty pathetic

Not trying to create anything. It's like remembering 9/11. Where is the proof man? Reshow the video that's already on our site, so I can come up with some farcical excuses for it. Totally just imagining a final 4 of WCG where 2 players decided to play when there weren't even brackets made or a time listed. Who could possibly be at fault...

Just for "fun," I took the second. Correction, maybe it was only Nyoken who cited Xeris overeager, I'm an admin in tournaments that I have nothing to do with persona:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2009 16:45 nyoken wrote:
I'm going to make 1 big post explaining it.

I login today and see only chosen is in the channel. Chosen tells me timestop asked him to reschedule. I know nothing of this. Machinehead clearly knows nothing of this because he doesn't even know about the tournament. I don't believe Machinehead doesn't know because he just participated in the last qualifier. That was on sunday which got rescheduled to a different day because day[9] got agreement from all the players to change it. There was clearly no agreement in this one.

Based on chosen's post he says he is going to "try" to ask the admins to reschedule. That doesn't mean it will be. Since no admins are online Chosen suggests we play out our games now. I said we should play it later because I don't want any problems. Xeris enters the channel around this time and says that we should play it out, too. I agree to it. There are no admins so we play it out. I end up winning the bo3s.

People in here are saying that the finals can't be walkovered and that there was no time posted for the tournament.


Basically, everyone played stupid. All of the players, besides timestop routinely were in the final 4s. The final 4 was always played out at 2 central and it was COMMON KNOWLEDGE there are no games to be played until the admin makes the bracket and puts it on their site. Unfortunately, WCG admins were so horrible that anything that took attention off them and their mistakes, they were always for it. Xeris... such a parasite.




I believe you, but why wait till now?
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
December 19 2017 03:38 GMT
#230
Decided to tune in. Boring turtle macro from nony here .
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playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
December 19 2017 03:50 GMT
#231
On December 19 2017 12:30 GGzerG wrote:

I believe you, but why wait till now?

You have me so lost. I've yet to lie about a single thing in SC or SC 2. I've never felt much of a burden to provide proof -- especially when it's already on the site. I underestimated that some people still don't even want to acknowledge things they've already said and have done. Things written in stone... Speaks to a person's character.

This was a "million years ago." I only bring it up because of Seth's sudden appearance. I got absolutely KILLED on here, while trying to reschedule a match and playing it out, when an admin never agreed to the request, beforehand. These guys can decide to play each other in the final 4 and not give anyone a reschedule (when they had zero right to even play then, to begin with) and it's cool. Why is it cool? Cause it's Nyoken and Sheth.

My only point is, BW has always sucked for anyone not in the buddy club. The "new guys" shouldn't expect to ever see anything positive, outside of zotac, in regards to them. Play the game with a slave mentality and you won't be disappointed.
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3621 Posts
December 19 2017 03:53 GMT
#232
That was a great game. Needed a couple more archons/sairs on the Protoss side.
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GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1847 Posts
December 19 2017 03:54 GMT
#233
Really fun day 1
GoodRamen
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States713 Posts
December 19 2017 03:58 GMT
#234
Man Jaeyun played amazing. That late game ZvP was nuts.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10569 Posts
December 19 2017 03:59 GMT
#235
JAEYUN FIGHTING!!!!
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10095 Posts
December 19 2017 03:59 GMT
#236
dem casters are pwetty cute
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EvanC
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada130 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-19 04:02:26
December 19 2017 04:02 GMT
#237
Great tourney really enjoying this

And I like that it is on during some weekdays so I can keep a tab open while I am working
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
December 19 2017 04:04 GMT
#238
Really enjoyed this event. Wasn't even gonna tune in originally but then I couldn't resist and it hooked me. Also awesome games. iNcontroL vs Draco on Tau was great, and Jaeyun vs Nony's game on FS ftw!
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17082 Posts
December 19 2017 04:05 GMT
#239
Wanted NonY to pull out the win, but I have multiple layers of biases coming out for that one.

Looking forward to the games tomorrow!
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Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
December 19 2017 04:10 GMT
#240
Had a lot of fun, I had tears in my eyes (Tasteless' pet muta). Looking forward to tomorrow's cast, I hope it's as good as todays was. All the events these guys have done have been so good, this was probably the funniest so far though, I hope they make this a more regular thing.
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