EPTStarCraft: Remastered Rus_Brain Cup - Page 3
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6805 Posts
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1894 Posts
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1894 Posts
On October 22 2017 23:27 tanngard wrote: Excuse me? Did i sound like a troll to you? I share my opinions and back them up with arguments. Whats the point of a thread if we cannot discuss matters that are important to a tournament? Or are we only allowed to discuss matters one time and come to a "concensus" and forever hold our breath? When did this one-time discussion happen by the way? I certainly missed it, because guess what, I dont read every single thread that has ever been created here (go figure) Is there a portal you can direct me to that lists all the subjects that we are not allowed to discuss and "consensuses" that have been made? On October 18 2017 00:35 BigFan wrote: A single person's urge for "justice" will likely be disregarded. Although one may try to convince the tournament host to make a "fair" decision, one should also consider the risk of being disqualified for "excessive discussions". This tournament is hosted by Russians, who lack such things as free speech, democracy and human rights. | ||
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kogeT
Poland2041 Posts
On October 23 2017 00:36 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: whats wrong with mong participating? Same stuff as with most other Koreans. When Bonyth faced him they were forced to play on tr8 on super lag. Is this really what makes the tournament enjoyable? Unless we try to make it a only-korean tournament (as I guess many will be attracted if prize pool remains in these levels) | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1894 Posts
On October 23 2017 02:13 kogeT wrote: If lag is the only case, and you insist that if the connection was perfect then Bonyth would have won - we can make a deal. I'll arrange such meeting, and you'll pay triple expense in case Bonyth's lose. Is this OK?Same stuff as with most other Koreans. When Bonyth faced him they were forced to play on tr8 on super lag. Is this really what makes the tournament enjoyable? Unless we try to make it a only-korean tournament (as I guess many will be attracted if prize pool remains in these levels) | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1894 Posts
On October 23 2017 02:23 Eywa- wrote: I just hope that 1 other Korean shows up to each event, preventing scan from winning.  | ||
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AncientSion
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awerti
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On October 23 2017 05:20 AncientSion wrote: VOD link please. I want to see the good matches vs MONG Games were casted on 2 channels, but only one channel (https://go.twitch.tv/magikbaby/videos/all) has video available. | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1894 Posts
On October 23 2017 05:20 AncientSion wrote: https://goo.gl/xNbHrEVOD link please. I want to see the good matches vs MONG + Show Spoiler + click » Скачать (4.633Mb.) | ||
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kogeT
Poland2041 Posts
On October 23 2017 03:49 Rus_Brain wrote: If lag is the only case, and you insist that if the connection was perfect then Bonyth would have won - we can make a deal. I'll arrange such meeting, and you'll pay triple expense in case Bonyth's lose. Is this OK? No one knows if Bonyth would have won or not, and I haven't "insisted" on anything in my post, where is your statement coming from? However I know that games at that level suffer a lot both from viewership and execution point of view. How about that: I'll host a tournament for 1000$ where top foreigners will play without koreans and lag, and you'll host a 1000$ tour where you get a mash up of korean-foreign-super laggy games (not to mention the prize pool only for #1). If my tournament attracts more players / viewers you'll pay me triple the prize pool. | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1894 Posts
On October 23 2017 06:46 kogeT wrote: How about that: I'll host a tournament for 1000$ where top foreigners will play without koreans and lag, and you'll host a 1000$ tour where you get a mash up of korean-foreign-super laggy games (not to mention the prize pool only for #1). If my tournament attracts more players / viewers you'll pay me triple the prize pool. Are we both supposed to spend $1,000; with odds for you to get $3,000 and odds for me to get nothing, or you accidentaly forgot to mention the consequences of you not winning? I abstain. But if you have spare $1k I can offer you my best support and gratitude should you decide to host cogeT Cup on your own rules. I am pretty sure the community will be thankful too. | ||
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elKa-ThE-FeArEd
Sweden177 Posts
On October 23 2017 07:07 Rus_Brain wrote: Are we both supposed to spend $1,000; with odds for you to get $3,000 and odds for me to get nothing, or you accidentaly forgot to mention the consequences of you not winning? oh man u do not sound professional in this thread. How about just taking and giving criticism in a manner level, no need to give cocky replies | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On October 23 2017 02:13 kogeT wrote: Same stuff as with most other Koreans. When Bonyth faced him they were forced to play on tr8 on super lag. Is this really what makes the tournament enjoyable? Unless we try to make it a only-korean tournament (as I guess many will be attracted if prize pool remains in these levels) Other Europeans have no issue playing with Koreans on TR8 because there's no lag. Bringing up only 1 or 2 players' issue isn't a good idea to start arguing sponsor's final decision after he hosted a tour. | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4514 Posts
On October 23 2017 11:42 LaStScan wrote: Other Europeans have no issue playing with Koreans on TR8 because there's no lag. Bringing up only 1 or 2 players' issue isn't a good idea to start arguing sponsor's final decision after he hosted a tour. just wondering but, how do you think you would do vs guys like larva, hero or soulkey (best zergs in the world) on TR8 low latency/high latency? I feel like zerg race is hardly viable on this turn rate if terran plays flawlessly. Zerg can play lurker but when lurker is expected it becomes so much weaker.. Just wondering what you think | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6805 Posts
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Bonyth
Poland594 Posts
I come here to receive official answer from admins regarding possible lag issues in a tournament and how would that be resolved. I believe that Turn Rate 10 + high latency should be the maximum delay to be considered the game playable. My question is: how would the hyphotetical situation be resolved, if the lags are worse? Note that I'm not here to start or continue some war politics against koreans. I understand completely why people like to see korean in foreign tournaments and I've changed my position about it, as I'm no longer against it. However, lag is different issue. Watch this VOD from minute 1:33:30 to 1:34:40 - https://go.twitch.tv/videos/184168968 And compare it to this VOD from minute 12:00 to 12:30 - https://go.twitch.tv/videos/184186308 Firstly, I am a micro-type player. I relly on units potential to decide the outcome of a battle. Reavers, carriers, all units need to be controlled with great care. Secondly, I wanna mention that terran race benefits from lag (as in long units reaction time). Terran is the most strategic race of all the 3. This is why in the era of Turn Rate 8 ladder all the top slots on every server is dominated by terrans. This is why every korean getting good results on foreign scene is terran. I'm going to keep participating in tournaments, because they are great and I love the rules of it (especialy the one saying "this is Russia, there is no freedom of speech"), the format is really cool too, probably the 1st of its kind. However, If I was to meet Mong in the grand finals, how would the situation be resolved? I know it's a tough question, I don't have an answer for it myself, a dead end. | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1894 Posts
1) Lag. This is very difficult to answer Bonyth's question. Seems there is no real solution. The simple one offered "BAN KOREANS!!11" - won't be adopted. Our team agree with the arguments that we abolish the intrigue allowing Koreans to play, albeit such arguments usually end up with a "solid" conclusion to BAN KOREANS, which I personally treat miserable. Yet, please trust that Bonyth and other guys have been heard and we are working on solution. Apparently there is one that will solve a lot of problems but bring another one to life. The result is that yelpers will always remain. Here is a small tip at the moment. Alike tournament system has existed in the past. 2) LAN tournament. Right at the time I am not willing to host WCG-like LAN due to involvement and efforts needed. The RB Cup is mostly a "paid statistics" for me which may or may not materialize into something more. I am very much thankful to those like Bonyth who says "Hey man, you have big problems here, there and over there. Think about it. Meanwhile I will keep playing as is, albeit without much joy". And I will disregard ultimatums to bet with the odds of loosing something and winning nothing. Eventually Russians do not have freedom of speech  Cheers, RB | ||
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kogeT
Poland2041 Posts
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4040 Posts
Awesome games this tournament, well played by Bonyth! | ||
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