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JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 01 2007 23:21 GMT
#1
Many people are aware of Starcraft: Insurrection, that very poor addon to the original SC. Well, what you might not know is that there were 2 other addons available, with even shorter life spans. Those are Stacraft: Stellar Forces and Starcraft: Retribution. Both rather difficult to come by, at least in a non-pirated form. (Although since both were dicontinued 6+ years ago I doubt this is a factor).

Short story even shorter: all of these addons are reported to be awful. I have played Stellar Forces and Insurrection and can confirm this. (Stellar Forces is so awful its often funny.) Anywho, I have obtained a copy of Starcraft: Retribution but I am unable to play it. (I am wondering if anyone knows the requirements for this addon - they weren't included in the readme. (Maybe windows 98?) I can't get the setup.exe to run and figured I was missing something.
Has anyone ever tried diplomacy in starcraft?
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
May 02 2007 03:23 GMT
#2
Aren't all those addons made by 3rd party companies and aren't they for vanilla sc only? why would you wanna play that shit?

PS- I have actual copy of insurrection.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
niceplayer
Profile Joined March 2007
United States238 Posts
May 02 2007 05:05 GMT
#3
They were all made in plain staredit and came in a fucking folder on a cd, you then drop it into the map directory and play it from custom games.

There are campaigns ten times better from campaigncreations.
free[gm] - redeemer toss fighting!
JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 02 2007 05:40 GMT
#4
I know that there are, and I have played every one of them. I just wanted to give this one a shot, because I have run out of even decent campaigns to play. People still make ums maps/melee maps, but the days of campaigns are long gone it seems.

And Retribution came on a cd with a setup.exe and a data cab. I can't extract the data from the cab file, and the setup file doesn't work for me.
Has anyone ever tried diplomacy in starcraft?
JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 03 2007 04:45 GMT
#5
Does anyone even have Retribution?
Has anyone ever tried diplomacy in starcraft?
LordofAscension
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States589 Posts
May 03 2007 05:29 GMT
#6
I have 2 copies of Retribution. One for my collection (unopened - mint packaging) and the other to play with.

~LoA
~WelCoMe tO My rEaLm SC:L - sclegacy.com
unbanmeasdf
Profile Joined May 2007
6 Posts
May 04 2007 02:52 GMT
#7
maybe your copy is broken
try this one
http://download.yousendit.com/79D18A3D42636BE2

if you wont be able to install the addon, someone could send you the maps manually (it's just an installer which puts the maps into maps\scenario\retribution folder (or something similar))

bye bye

Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
May 04 2007 03:18 GMT
#8
On May 02 2007 14:05 niceplayer wrote:
They were all made in plain staredit and came in a fucking folder on a cd, you then drop it into the map directory and play it from custom games.

There are campaigns ten times better from campaigncreations.


I loved Enslavers, although it was fucking hard as hell. It took me cheesing + turtling to get through the last mission (the one with the Warp Gate).
^-^
JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 04 2007 04:28 GMT
#9
On May 04 2007 11:52 unbanmeasdf wrote:
maybe your copy is broken
try this one
http://download.yousendit.com/79D18A3D42636BE2

if you wont be able to install the addon, someone could send you the maps manually (it's just an installer which puts the maps into maps\scenario\retribution folder (or something similar))

bye bye



Thanks a lot. I will try this and report back. Yesterday I got a new error while trying to run it akin to this (instead of the setup.exe not working altogether)
"Error running 16bit Windows Application
Not enough memory to run this application. Quit some programs and try again."

Since I have more than enough memory (1.5gigs) I imagine this is referring to that memory of long ago (I forgot the name) EMM memory, or something... the memory you had to free up to run old DOS games in the windows 95/98 era.

Does anyone have any information on this? Maybe I am mistaken here in my diagnosis.
Has anyone ever tried diplomacy in starcraft?
JimBobRay
Profile Joined May 2005
128 Posts
May 07 2007 14:26 GMT
#10
On May 04 2007 11:52 unbanmeasdf wrote:
maybe your copy is broken
try this one
http://download.yousendit.com/79D18A3D42636BE2

if you wont be able to install the addon, someone could send you the maps manually (it's just an installer which puts the maps into maps\scenario\retribution folder (or something similar))

bye bye



Thanks, this copy worked!
Has anyone ever tried diplomacy in starcraft?
-xpeh-
Profile Joined July 2009
Ukraine86 Posts
September 17 2010 03:00 GMT
#11
Hello, i found Retribution on TPB and played it. It is just a map pack for original Starcraft. Some missions were almost impossible (i think 3rd mission for Protoss is impossible to play, where you have no nexus and no map info, and as far as you maphack find hatch with ressources and build nexus, 2 waves come which you are unable to hold. Standard tactics like 4-6 gates, half zeal - half goon, upgrades and gogogo didn't work due to low eco possibilities). Also i didn't got used to play non-BW, strategies i know well are for BW.

Are there another addons that are worse to play?

P.S. Don't use words "Starcraft 2" in this thread!
mimikami
Profile Joined August 2010
France77 Posts
September 17 2010 03:49 GMT
#12
I don't know which "3rd mission" you are referring to since there are actually 2 "3rd missions" in Retribution depending on your choice in mission 2 :

If you attack the Zerg in mission 2, you will fight Zerg in mission 3
If you attack the Terran in mission 2, you will fight Terran in mission 3

Since you mentioned hatch and "build Nexus" I suppose you did the Zerg mission. If so when the mission start immediately go to the right and capture 2 Terran bunkers to have a bunch of Terran reinforcement, then continue to go to the right find a Zerg base, destroy them and build your Nexus there and you will be safe (don't forget to capture the Terran building there).

After that just build up an army, expand (there is a base to the left), mass goon/zeal/templars/archons and crush the Zerg to pieces. If you want to play safe build a bunch of cannons to defend your base and Zerg cannot do anything against it.

mimi mimi mimi
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
September 17 2010 03:53 GMT
#13
I still have Stellar Forces in mint condition. Lol, I was so young so I thought I needed it. I GOT SCAMMED.
-xpeh-
Profile Joined July 2009
Ukraine86 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 19:36:04
September 17 2010 19:31 GMT
#14
On September 17 2010 12:49 mimikami wrote:
I don't know which "3rd mission" you are referring to since there are actually 2 "3rd missions" in Retribution depending on your choice in mission 2 :

If you attack the Zerg in mission 2, you will fight Zerg in mission 3
If you attack the Terran in mission 2, you will fight Terran in mission 3

Since you mentioned hatch and "build Nexus" I suppose you did the Zerg mission. If so when the mission start immediately go to the right and capture 2 Terran bunkers to have a bunch of Terran reinforcement, then continue to go to the right find a Zerg base, destroy them and build your Nexus there and you will be safe (don't forget to capture the Terran building there).

After that just build up an army, expand (there is a base to the left), mass goon/zeal/templars/archons and crush the Zerg to pieces. If you want to play safe build a bunch of cannons to defend your base and Zerg cannot do anything against it.


Yes, this is it. I got rines/bats, then went up and to the left and destroyed a base on the west end. But then there were 2 waves, first mass hydra (which i hardly held with speed zeals), second with ultra / mass hydra, which i was unable to hold because i can't make storm because of low gas.

There is no scouting and no unit production till you capture a location, the map is full of sunkens, the only way to scout is a fight - with limited unit count, if you go to a wrong direction - you lose.

Also some maps were just booooring, sometimes i went off minerals after repeated tries to eliminate the opponent. The easiest race was the terran, due to imba 1 pack goliaph + 1 pack tanks - and nobody can come close. The hardest race was the zerg since i can't play zerg in hard missions, especially in original starcraft, and it has not the ultimative power like goliaphs + tanks mentioned above, which is expencive, but after you get it, you hardly lose units. Zerg always lose units, and sometimes they don't kill enough in exchange. Defending against AI attacks also needs your attention - and AI don't get tired, but you do.

Btw, are you sure, that there is a choice between terr and zerg? What map is mission vs terran? After map 03 i played map 04 vs terrans.
-xpeh-
Profile Joined July 2009
Ukraine86 Posts
September 17 2010 20:15 GMT
#15
Lol it was so easy when playing terran tech. I don't know, maybe by capturing the wrong base i activated some kind of insane trigger.
mimikami
Profile Joined August 2010
France77 Posts
September 17 2010 21:59 GMT
#16
On September 18 2010 05:15 -xpeh- wrote:
Lol it was so easy when playing terran tech. I don't know, maybe by capturing the wrong base i activated some kind of insane trigger.


Yeah you should have captured the base to the right, not to the left (along with Terran buildings).

In mission 2 if you reach the Zerg Cave to the North you play Zerg in mission 3, if you reach the Terran installation to the South you play Terran in mission 3.

For a better gaming experience, you can "black sheep wall" to have a general concept of the map, then quit and start the mission again. This may save you from having to restart the mission several times.

IMO, the easiest race to play in this campaign is Protoss, because freaking Carriers kill everything, even the Zerg. Making Carriers is the cheapest way to complete the Protoss campaign (a very useful skill toi have lool)
mimi mimi mimi
-xpeh-
Profile Joined July 2009
Ukraine86 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-18 00:02:20
September 17 2010 23:55 GMT
#17
Fuck i cannot play zerg against those fucking terrans except making 3 pack muta 2 pack cracklings, but i need 2-3 locations for this. With 1 location vs 1 location i cannot win.
-xpeh-
Profile Joined July 2009
Ukraine86 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-18 00:07:25
September 18 2010 00:01 GMT
#18
On September 18 2010 06:59 mimikami wrote:
IMO, the easiest race to play in this campaign is Protoss, because freaking Carriers kill everything, even the Zerg. Making Carriers is the cheapest way to complete the Protoss campaign (a very useful skill toi have lool)


Bullshit. Carriers vs Zerg is too much stress, you must always control. I just played bonus mission #3.
Carrier + mass goon is the best vs terran, carriers destroy static defence and tanks and tank damage with interceptors, goons defend the carriers.

IMO the easiest (with less stress of all) race is terran if you play mech, but 2+ locations are recommended.
-xpeh-
Profile Joined July 2009
Ukraine86 Posts
September 18 2010 00:04 GMT
#19
And if you have problems installing Retribution, downlad Universal Extractor and unpack the cab archive.
-xpeh-
Profile Joined July 2009
Ukraine86 Posts
September 19 2010 02:42 GMT
#20
So how to play zvt vs comp in original starcraft?
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
September 19 2010 03:24 GMT
#21
On September 19 2010 11:42 -xpeh- wrote:
So how to play zvt vs comp in original starcraft?

hydra/ling
POGGERS
-xpeh-
Profile Joined July 2009
Ukraine86 Posts
September 19 2010 03:28 GMT
#22
I die vs rine /some tanks / wraith.
mimikami
Profile Joined August 2010
France77 Posts
September 19 2010 04:05 GMT
#23
If you are referring to the zvt vs comp in Retribution, you should never attack until you has more than 150 supply (max supply cap is referred if you don't know how many units they have). Never engage the Terran guarding choke points or ramps, in those case find a good location to mass drop and swarm them. The unit composition I used to beat those levels was hydra/ling and occasionally defilers (I suck at defiler control so I used mass drop more often).

Sunkens/Spore is a must in your base, near the mineral lines. They like to surprise attack with massive amount of wraiths/BCs or drop when your army is busy fighting on the other side of the map. In one mission toward the end you will get nuked so beware.
mimi mimi mimi
-xpeh-
Profile Joined July 2009
Ukraine86 Posts
September 19 2010 05:58 GMT
#24
I made 1-2 sunkens in their path to tank damage. I never made spores, hydra >> wraith, and later, when gas is not a problem, hydra + defiler >> air. Nidus also help.

I just had a huge problem attacking them, sometimes i went off minerals after resultless attacks.
How to control this stuff? Doesn't it take too much time to get such an army from 1 base? How many hatcheries and what upgrades do i need?
Defiler can be good, but is not invincible as in combo with lurkers, tank splash do its business.
mimikami
Profile Joined August 2010
France77 Posts
September 19 2010 16:27 GMT
#25
Yes I just sat on 1 base and worked it up to 200 supply in several missions., it is better than attacking before having enough units and get crushed.

As konadora said above, hydra/ling will do it. Listen to him, he is 1000 times better than either you or me.

For the attack :

Never engage the Terran guarding choke points or ramps, in those case find a good location to mass drop and swarm them. The unit composition I used to beat those levels was hydra/ling and occasionally defilers (I suck at defiler control so I used mass drop more often).

mimi mimi mimi
-xpeh-
Profile Joined July 2009
Ukraine86 Posts
September 19 2010 22:51 GMT
#26
On September 20 2010 01:27 mimikami wrote:
As konadora said above, hydra/ling will do it. Listen to him, he is 1000 times better than either you or me.

Are there championships in original BW? Also vs comp?
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
September 19 2010 22:59 GMT
#27
Ok lol. I have this one. It was a huge deal in my area "The first Starcraft add-on!" and all the shops said it was the first expansion pack. A bunch of us bought i felt like a tit afterwards.
Dead girls don't say no.
-xpeh-
Profile Joined July 2009
Ukraine86 Posts
November 07 2010 02:30 GMT
#28
Still have this problem in Insurrection X-Pack, bonus mission 2 or 3. I have 1 base, 2 terrans too. I just can't get 150 limit due to limited ressources, also i have only 1 gas and must kill at least 1 terran before he mines all the minerals in order to kill second. So i can't just do nothing, fucking scattered tanks with rines / some random units just fuck off my 3 pack hydra 2 pack lings army. Swarm doesn't help.
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
November 07 2010 03:36 GMT
#29
Can anyone upload all three add-ons for me maybe? :D

I hope its not illegal to ask since they are discontinued.
Did they sell them in local stores like they were normal games anyway?
I really dont see how you can charge someone for custom maps dont with an editor you already bought lol.

Anyways if its wrong to ask for them please just delete the post and dont ban ;P
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-xpeh-
Profile Joined July 2009
Ukraine86 Posts
November 08 2010 11:44 GMT
#30
On November 07 2010 12:36 MasterReY wrote:
Can anyone upload all three add-ons for me maybe? :D
...
I really dont see how you can charge someone for custom maps dont with an editor you already bought lol.


I really dont see how you can charge someone for books dont with a text editor you already bought lol.

Search torrents like TPB, i found it there.
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