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[ASL4] Ro24 Preview Pt.1 - Reborn and Remastered

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Rejuvenated. Reinvigorated. Remastered.

Welcome back to a fresh new season of Starcraft, where we’ll be joined by a new cast of staffers to help us cover an exciting tournament. After a long lull in the scene, 24 players are back and hungry to make it into the Round of 16. This field is as stacked as ever with some notable faces missing from the action. Previous ASL3 participants such as GuemChi, ggaemo, free, Movie, and Hyun moved aside for some ASL first timers like Killer, FBH, Sky, and HiyA while Mind, Ample, Rush, and MIsO find themselves right back in the thick of things. For more information about all the participants, check out our Power Rank!

This season’s prize pool is one of the largest in Brood War history, with over 108 million won up for grabs and a hefty first place prize of roughly 54 thousand dollars. But standing in their way is God himself, FlaSh. Will FlaSh cruise his way into an unprecedented 3-peat? Or will someone rise from the pack and usurp the Terminator? We'll find out as FlaShFTW and EsportsJohn give us the first three group previews. Group A starts in

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  • Preview of Group A
  • Preview of Group B and C
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Group A Preview

Will the Hype Train Deliver This Time?


What a great way to kick off the ASL with the player with arguably the most potential, but chokes the most in offline situations. Yes, I’m talking about Larva, who we’ve seen from the Larva’s Progress Report thread has actually been readily improving. But then again, Larva has yet to step up on the big stage in offline tournaments so only time will tell if he’s up to the hype. The other members of this group involve a pretty solid cast of Light, Sky, and newly entered Killer who took the seat of Sea’s place. Had Sea still been in, this would have been arguably the hardest group, but even with Killer, we still have potential for big names to leave the tournament early. Let’s get to the action!

Game 1: (Z)Killer <Gold Rush> (P)Sky
As you’ll read about our map analysis of Gold Rush thanks to Ty2, you’ll see that this map will involve heavy air usage. Sair/reaver vs +1 carapace air is going to be the name of the game between these two, and unfortunately for Sky, his worst matchup happens to be PvZ. Still, Killer has been MIA for a while now, having not even tried to qualify for the past couple of ASLs. His last year of success was 2014-2015 where he placed well in many online tournaments. Will Killer, who only made it into the ASL on a DQ, be able to overcome the likes of Sky? The answer is: probably. Killer’s ZvP is still a very strong matchup and one of his better ones.

(Z)Killer > (P)Sky


Game 2: (Z)Larva <Gold Rush> (T)Light
Larva Larva Larva… honestly, this guy is an inspiration to us all. He started off as a joke BJ who sucked at Starcraft and has quickly risen the ranks. Last month, Larva beat FlaSh in a Bo3 using the ASL4 qualifier maps 2-1. His game knowledge and apm have skyrocketed and there’s honestly no telling where he’ll stop. His drop defense is damn near perfect, his macro has improved drastically, and his mutalisk control is honestly the best in the game right now. Light on the flip side has also improved. He’s begun to place far better in tournaments (as long as he can dodge the TvP matchups), and has shown that his TvZ is still his bread and butter. Game 2 is going to be an incredible game, and my gut is telling me Larva is going to take it. If he can squash the nerves and finally break out of that offline slump, he’ll be able to overcome the SK Terran dropship style and win this game.

(Z)Larva > (T)Light


Winner’s Match: (Z)Killer <Crossing Field> (Z)Larva
ZvZ… which means I could literally end this preview with a coin flip and go back to bed. Ok, all jokes aside, Killer’s ZvZ was one of his better matchups in KeSPA, with a respectable 54%. In the post-KeSPA, it’s an entirely different story. Killer has basically had every Zerg’s number, from Modesty to ZerO. His 75% ZvZ rate is a thing of beauty and won a few tournaments from ZvZs in the finals. Larva on the other hand, while he has pretty amazing practice partners for Terran with Last, FlaSh, and Mind to work from, his ZvZ has not improved at the same rate. He’s sitting at a pretty measly 38% and we all remember when he rage quit that game vs Jaedong on Circuit Breaker. Alas, his mutalisk micro has definitely solidified from practicing it so much in ZvT, and not to mention that Killer failed to qualify twice due to ZvZ loses at the hands of MisO and HyuK. Maybe this is a chance for Larva to win this game? I’m still going to put Killer over, but don’t be surprised if Larva is able to win this game, especially with a BO win. Also hope that with the safe natural that we might see some late game ZvZ!

(Z)Killer > (Z)Larva


Loser’s Match: (P)Sky <Crossing Field> (T)Light
Remember when I said Light just needs to dodge TvP and he’ll make deep runs in tournaments? Welp. He couldn’t dodge the TvP if my first two predictions were correct. Sky is a notoriously good PvT player with a solid 62% winrate in the matchup. Yet at the same time, Light managed to take Rain, another fantastic PvT player to 5 games in the HoSic BJ Starleague. In the end, with Crossing Field being a pretty good Terran map with turtle Terran to 2/1 timing being a thing, I think that Light can pull this one off against Sky who hasn’t played in offline tournaments for a very long time.

(T)Light > (P)Sky


Final Match: (Z)Larva <Fighting Spirit> (T)Light
Fighting Spirit will definitely feature a much more different dynamic from Gold Rush, but I wholeheartedly believe that the results will remain the same. While Fighting Spirit is more friendly to the mech switch, Larva has also figured out how to deal with the +1 5 rax into mech timing very well. His solution: delay the 3rd base while stopping any Terran push with solid mutalisk control. After, he’s able to comfortably defend the 3rd and any following drops and tech up to late game. Overall, I think that Larva on a standard map has an even better chance of defeating Light.

(Z)Larva > (T)Light


(Z)Killer and (Z)Larva advance to the Round of 16!



Group B Preview

But Last time sSak wasn't supposed to win anything....


On first glance, this group looks like a cakewalk for (T)Last: a Zerg who bombed out in ASL2, an underperforming Stork, and the unassuming Terran sSak. But let’s not forget that Last is not as invincible as he used to be; Alphago has stumbled across several new challenges in the last few months, especially in TvT, and it doesn’t seem like he’s figured out a way to overcome them yet. It’s ironic that the matchup that brought him fame is now his Achilles’ heel.

Last got rekt in the ASL3 by Flash during the Ro8, and Mind pulled a repeat 3-0 on him during the Thrill Starleague semifinals using many of the same tactics and strategies Flash used. sSak even took a game off the Terran titan in ASL3! That said, if Last is lucky enough to avoid facing sSak, he’ll likely do well against Where and Stork and advance with no problems.

As for the rest of the players, only (T)sSak has looked like a tournament quality player in the last few months. His outstanding success and his cavalier attitude in ASL3 suggests that he has an innate comfort with being on stage and avoiding the shock of nerves. Even though (P)Stork and Where might be somewhere close in skill level on paper (maybe even ahead), sSak just seems at home onstage.

Last and sSak advance to the Ro16.




Do you Mind putting in the effOrt?


There are two clear winners in Group C, (T)Mind and (Z)EffOrt. Both players have proven over a long period of time that they are mechanically strong, have brilliant decision making, and can deal with a wide variety of threats. With how strong effOrt and Mind have been playing over the last few months, it would be shocking to see either player drop out in the Ro24.

(T)Rush is a strong player who has had relatively little tournament success. Despite being a decent ladder opponent with a strong array of skills, Rush has never really been able to translate that into tournament results. He may be able to take a game off one of his opponents, but it’s going to be a long, uphill battle to advance out of the group over Mind and effOrt.

Bringing up the rear is (P)Lazy. Our rookie barely squeaked by in the final qualifiers in Busan, taking down Terror, Leta, and Tyson along the way. His 2-0 loss in the Daegu qualifiers to Sharp speaks volumes about his strength in the PvT matchup though, and with two strong Terrans in his group, advancing to the Ro16 is unlikely for the rookie Protoss.

effOrt and Mind advance.




Writers: FlashFTW, EsportsJohn
Graphics: Shiroiusagi
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Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
September 10 2017 05:00 GMT
#2
Nice writeup! Just in time to start the ASL Season 4 hype. <3

I agree with the conclusions of groups 2 and 3, but I think you may not be giving Rush enough credit. Over the past week he has been beating players like Snow and GuemChi on ladder. I keep tuning into random streamers and lo and behold, they're playing against Rush and he's winning. Whether that translates to tournament results remains to be seen. Still, agree with the conclusions of groups 2 and 3.

I'll disagree with group 1 though. I don't think Killer is advancing over Sky. People are seriously underestimating Sky this season and that will be to their detriment. His shuttles will blot out the sun and Light will collapse like a sinkhole.

Larva does win the group though. Considering his performance lately he should be a shoo-in for the Ro8 so long as his nerves remain steady.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 10 2017 05:17 GMT
#3
BW never dies! Passion overwhelming!
gg no re thx
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
September 10 2017 05:22 GMT
#4
I feel like I'm the only person who believes that Light > Larva. The only reason why I might give the edge to Larva is because of Gold Rush, and only because of Gold Rush. If it comes down to a standard game on Fighting Spirit like FlashFTW predicts, Larva is gonna get rekt by Light.

Lol @ Killer advancing first, FlashFTW is living in a fantasy world.
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3095 Posts
September 10 2017 05:24 GMT
#5
So pumped for the Larva vs Light game. Really interested to see how far Larva can go this time. He's been a beast on stream so far.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 10 2017 05:46 GMT
#6
Killer will go far into ASL. That's how the forces of narrative work. That's how Denmark won Euro 1992.
gg no re thx
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 10 2017 06:04 GMT
#7
On September 10 2017 14:22 EsportsJohn wrote:
I feel like I'm the only person who believes that Light > Larva. The only reason why I might give the edge to Larva is because of Gold Rush, and only because of Gold Rush. If it comes down to a standard game on Fighting Spirit like FlashFTW predicts, Larva is gonna get rekt by Light.

Lol @ Killer advancing first, FlashFTW is living in a fantasy world.


I'm with you on Light >>>> Larva.
All the way baby.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
September 10 2017 06:37 GMT
#8
On September 10 2017 15:04 thedeadhaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 14:22 EsportsJohn wrote:
I feel like I'm the only person who believes that Light > Larva. The only reason why I might give the edge to Larva is because of Gold Rush, and only because of Gold Rush. If it comes down to a standard game on Fighting Spirit like FlashFTW predicts, Larva is gonna get rekt by Light.

Lol @ Killer advancing first, FlashFTW is living in a fantasy world.


I'm with you on Light >>>> Larva.
All the way baby.

Make that three lol

Unless Larva grew a pair for the offline leagues (I'd like this to happen very much.)
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mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
September 10 2017 14:59 GMT
#9
Sorry but Light is not on Larva's league right now. If light plays standard, he'll get destroyed. In fact, I feel his only chance is that map. Lots of tricky plays possible. If Larva plays safe, he wins. Watching them stream, you can notice larva is on a different level. He's on Flash and Last's level.

Of course can't be sure due to Larva's past offline performances, but If I had to bet, I'd on Larva right now.

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DanceSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States751 Posts
September 10 2017 15:15 GMT
#10
Is there a reason why they dont post links to where we can watch the games?
Dance.943 || "I think he's just going to lose. There's only so many ways you can lose. And he's going to make some kind of units. And I'm going to attack him, and then all his stuff is going to die. That's about the best prediction that I can make" - NonY
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3809 Posts
September 10 2017 15:17 GMT
#11
On September 10 2017 23:59 mcmascote wrote:
Sorry but Light is not on Larva's league right now. If light plays standard, he'll get destroyed. In fact, I feel his only chance is that map. Lots of tricky plays possible. If Larva plays safe, he wins. Watching them stream, you can notice larva is on a different level. He's on Flash and Last's level.

Of course can't be sure due to Larva's past offline performances, but If I had to bet, I'd on Larva right now.



that's a pretty safe bet at the moment
: o )
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
September 10 2017 16:11 GMT
#12
On September 10 2017 14:46 RKC wrote:
Killer will go far into ASL. That's how the forces of narrative work. That's how Denmark won Euro 1992.


I LOL'd wholeheartedly. That's a really nice one!

Hard to imagine him beating Bisu, Last, Flash, SoulKey and the like, though. No idea how is Shine doing right now.

+ Show Spoiler +
But all predictions came true, I'm pretty amazed really.




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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
September 10 2017 16:34 GMT
#13
Nice predictions.
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Unicrontv
Profile Joined February 2016
4 Posts
September 10 2017 17:25 GMT
#14
So uh pretty please where are the vods?
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10149 Posts
September 10 2017 21:36 GMT
#15
On September 11 2017 02:25 Unicrontv wrote:
So uh pretty please where are the vods?

http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/25742832
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RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
September 10 2017 21:40 GMT
#16
The English cast is uploaded to Youtube also.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
Legionnaire
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia4514 Posts
September 10 2017 22:09 GMT
#17
Fools doubting the omniessence of FLASHFTW.

Shame on you!
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Coffeeling
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Finland250 Posts
September 11 2017 03:10 GMT
#18
Bo1 feels a bit unnecessarily abrupt, especially if it's a cheese. That last game was such a treat though, great stuff.
Squee
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-11 03:43:49
September 11 2017 03:43 GMT
#19
On September 10 2017 14:22 EsportsJohn wrote:
I feel like I'm the only person who believes that Light > Larva. The only reason why I might give the edge to Larva is because of Gold Rush, and only because of Gold Rush. If it comes down to a standard game on Fighting Spirit like FlashFTW predicts, Larva is gonna get rekt by Light.

Lol @ Killer advancing first, FlashFTW is living in a fantasy world.


Man were you wrong on both of those predictions .
When I think of something else, something will go here
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-11 07:39:54
September 11 2017 04:13 GMT
#20
+ Show Spoiler +
I confess that I liquibetted against Larva like a skeptical fool
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