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Starcraft just posted on Twitter the remastered protoss victory screen:
https://twitter.com/StarCraft
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oLUb3Yv.jpg)
What do you guys think?
+ Show Spoiler +I honestly don't know what to feel, but it doesn't look like the original at all. It looks just like a zealot from SC2 (Which seems like its a trend they're going for the remastered art style).
I'm not gonna comment on the pose, but the color scheme, super high tech suit, Starcraft 2 generic zealot face, and less bulky armor, it just doesn't feel right to me.
Feel free to post your opinion below.
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It's fine.
Blizzard could repackage and sell the original game as-is and people would still find ways to complain that it's not as good as the original.
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It looks to much like Sc2
But yea, it's fine 
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they seem to just be making everything shiny, which, is rather odd considering bw is so dark
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How can it look "too much like sc" ... it's all StarCraft fam. Don't hate, appreciate.
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On June 02 2017 03:40 atrox_ wrote:
they seem to just be making everything shiny, which, is rather odd considering bw is so dark
This.
But this is somehow a trend everywhere in gaming. Everything looks so shiny and "plasticky" these days. And because of this, really unrealistic in my eyes.
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BW screen for comparo: ![[image loading]](https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starcraft/images/5/52/Zealot_SC1_Art1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080619175900)
Why so much lens flare in the new one?!?
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I was happy that they managed to restrain themselves from Playskoolifying the Command Center in the Terran screen posted a few days ago, but I guess they could only keep it up for so long.
Oh well. These graphics are cool and all, but they're way way less important than what appears in-game. And honestly Protoss Victory was probably the least interesting of the victory/defeat screens.
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Northern Ireland163 Posts
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i dont like it that much because of the spirit of the victorious P that emerges from the pose he makes^^ it looks impetuous rather than wise, showing off instead of calm, smtg like that ;; the face is more human like, so is the pose a bit, reminds of sc2 where P are more human like and seem less wise
but at the same time, i dont rly want to criticize that much, its nice that there is a remaster, i can always just use old version to play if I like the visuals better.. (will be able to play on ladder with original version yes?). Also it doesnt look that bad, just not the spirit of the P that i am used to or imagine or see from original pictures. At the same time its pretty good. What can I say lawl
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I think if you look at them in relation to the time gap, the original being made in 1998 and the new one in 2017, then the original is much much better. But in this day n age for modernizing purposes, the new one is better.
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Yeah, don't even play protoss so I shouldn't care too much but I don't like it at all for reasons already cited in this thread. Borrowing too much stylistic/design elements from Sc2 ( shape of face, eye colour, too shiny, too plastic-like).
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That Zealot is BALLER as hell. YESSSsss it's happening!
EDIT : A Zealot is a Zealot, this has nothing to do with SC2... people are being so critical. This picture looks really badass, sure it could be better but umm... after about 20 years, this is badass.
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This is protoss stuff, i have no feelings.
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As a zerg player, if you dont like this new victory screen, i promise you, you will not see it often. 
The overall quality of the screen is better, though the style looks more SC2 ish.
*actual promise is not real, mostly for the joke. unfortunately.
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really like the psi blade. But the rest is kinda shiny. Psi blade reminds me of this old really sick image of a dark templar from the Prima Strategy Guide. Let me try to find it... YES found it
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looks awesome
old victory screen blows
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I like that it represents the spirit of the zealot. You can feel THE WRATH OF THE PROTOSS!!!!!!!!!!!
Altough it looks abit evil, which doesnt need to be, protoss arent evil. Its getting boring for every new game the character is having evil looks. Toss are rightful, spiritual beings, like evolved space variant of the night elves
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On June 02 2017 05:06 _Animus_ wrote:I like that it represents the spirit of the zealot. You can feel THE WRATH OF THE PROTOSS!!!!!!!!!!! Altough it looks abit evil, which doesnt need to be, protoss arent evil. Its getting boring for every new game the character is having evil looks. Toss are rightful, spiritual beings, like evolved space variant of the night elves
Tassadar got kinda evil  he went all beserk and overly righteous. reminds me of the priest for hunchback of notre-dame!
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I never liked the original Protoss victory screen. I don't think this one is much better though. Very shiny/plasticy look and super bright blue lights with lens flares everywhere. I think it is a wash.
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I like the old one better. This one has the sc2 style all over it, which is more cartoonish- small body, bigger head and shiny colors. I like the dark theme of sc1 much more
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I hate it. Nothing like SCBW. Meh...
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On June 02 2017 05:14 CobaltBlu wrote:
I never liked the original Protoss victory screen. I don't think this one is much better though. Very shiny/plasticy look and super bright blue lights with lens flares everywhere. I think it is a wash.
Plazma shield does not allow Toss to get dirty. Thats why they are all pimp players.
You have valid points, altought old zealot screen doesnt looks like coming out of a battle or anything.
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Blizzard should really stop trying to emulate Hollywood movie posters with the lens flares and sparks on all the new art. Also why is one psi blade on and the other is off? Either have them both on or them both off.
The reason why I think it looks so much like SC2 is because of the triangular shape of the face. Blizzard really went with the triangular shapes on SC2 Protoss designs when in general Protoss was a lot rounder and smoother in BW.
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I think it's awesome and I welcome the change.
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I would be okay with it - IF the new zealot had a huge penis just like the old one!
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Actually looks worse than sc2 design. Total garbage.
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It looks cool. I HATED how small and awful the original's stomach was. It seems like they took way more artistic liberties in this one compared to the hydralisk one. I like the sleeker wristbands, the BW's one were freaking ginormous.
I'm looking forward to see what they do with Artanis' design if anything. He looks so weird in BW with his nerve cords cut for no reason.
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On June 02 2017 05:06 _Animus_ wrote:I like that it represents the spirit of the zealot. You can feel THE WRATH OF THE PROTOSS!!!!!!!!!!! Altough it looks abit evil, which doesnt need to be, protoss arent evil. Its getting boring for every new game the character is having evil looks. Toss are rightful, spiritual beings, like evolved space variant of the night elves
Apart from being a bit too much SC2-ized, it actually looks like a silly poser now...
Oh, and yeah, exaggerated starburst effect (I don't think "lens flare" is actually the correct term for what they use here) is another of those too much show-off, too little substance things...
I am all for reviving the old more scaly/wrinkly Protoss head design, even though that was basically gone with Artanis in BroodWar already... Just looks a lot more interesting.
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the remastered lighting is a bit too shiny/cartoony, but i think i prefer the new zealot model - the old one's pretty ridiculously proportioned for what's supposed to be a tough warrior guy
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Yeah, because a tough warrior guy from a bizarre alien race must necessarily resemble the typical cliché of a brawny human...
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On June 02 2017 07:44 Freakling wrote:
Yeah, because a tough warrior guy from a bizarre alien race must necessarily resemble the typical cliché of a brawny human...
doesn't have to be human proportioned at all, but it should probably at least be big enough to contain some decent amount of muscle. the original zealot image has massive bulky armor on top of a tiny, stick-thin body and arms.
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They should also make specific victory/defeat screen based on matchups.
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I like the variety of opinions in this thread
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Sweden33719 Posts
Looks good I think. If I were to nitpick I'd say I dont like the closed fist but that's very minor. A little shiny maybe.
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anyone who thinks the old one is better is delusional
if they updated it to look the same, it'd be a nice high quality zealot looking 'deer in the headlights' at the camera, with a dumb look on his face, and NO PSI BLADES OUT
gimme a break
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It would actually make more sense as a representation of Protoss victory if the Zealot were looking down at a planetary bombardment in progress, because that's what the Protoss repeatedly did to the Zerg in lore. Why would he be posing for a photo back on the Carrier or whatever that ship is?
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Not bad but it lost it's aura of mystery and instead gives shininess and a "we are doing this together, so heroic!" feel.
Feels more epic, but also more childish. I have mixed feelings about it but at the same time, I really really REALLY don't care. It's just the victory screen ffs.
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United States10081 Posts
i like the darker settings of everything as BW was a very dark era.
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On June 02 2017 10:52 FlaShFTW wrote:
i like the darker settings of everything as BW was a very dark era.
i would argue that the darkest era was when there was no pro BW
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On June 02 2017 10:26 Essbee wrote:
Not bad but it lost it's aura of mystery and instead gives shininess and a "we are doing this together, so heroic!" feel.
Feels more epic, but also more childish. I have mixed feelings about it but at the same time, I really really REALLY don't care. It's just the victory screen ffs.
I agree 100%.
I thought BW was supposed to darker, more desolated, with a more mature ambience. While the new art itself is very good, doesn`t look like it portrays that.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cPSFUWL.jpg)
You see, even thought his eyes shows somewhat of a scared/surprised expression, the overall picture feels "heavier", somehow more mature than the new one?
But like you said, who really cares too much? It's just a victory screen.
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they want more kids and new gen to play the game
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Are BW protoss supposed to be scared or surprised in victory? That interpretation seems contradictory to protoss who are supposed to be a warrior race.
Honestly the BW one seems a stoic alien standing in the dark.
The new one has a clearly more determined aggressive look. Maybe it's guilty of throwing subtlety out the window, but overall I think it's great
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Not a particular fan of this art, either. Pose seems weird, but beyond that I just straight up dont like it. Not sure why better graphics for units necessitates this general overhaul. Oh well, ultimately its trivial. Art looks a little worse, but the gameplays still great. So whatever.
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Well... If I had to chose to face off against the alien eyeballing me with expressionless face from the old picture or poser guy from the new one, I'd definitely pick the one too occupied with himself to care much about me...
Why does everything have to look like the stereotypical action figure these days? The best aliens just look alien... Why would you even expect them to share human expressions, gestures or anatomy?
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great art, could be a lil darker
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I thought it was a victory screen from sc2, my bad..
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On June 02 2017 11:14 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 10:26 Essbee wrote:
Not bad but it lost it's aura of mystery and instead gives shininess and a "we are doing this together, so heroic!" feel.
Feels more epic, but also more childish. I have mixed feelings about it but at the same time, I really really REALLY don't care. It's just the victory screen ffs. I agree 100%. I thought BW was supposed to darker, more desolated, with a more mature ambience. While the new art itself is very good, doesn`t look like it portrays that. You see, even thought his eyes shows somewhat of a scared/surprised expression, the overall picture feels "heavier", somehow more mature than the new one? But like you said, who really cares too much? It's just a victory screen.
Thanks for putting the pictures side by side like this. I feel like it would be much better if the "sc2" one was also looking directly at us, and also not have the clenched fist. I think the opened blade is alright, it can give a menacing look while still keeping the mysterious atmosphere. I like how you use the word "heavier" here, I totally agree.
But I am going too far with this haha, like I've already said, this is only a victory screen, but it's still fun to discuss about it ^^
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old one is garbage this one is dope
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On June 02 2017 16:54 XERX wrote:
old one is garbage this one is dope
"garbage"
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This feels like spiderman marvel (old) vs. spiderman disney (new)
I like the old one better, for that pic of blizzard it is good, overall, but it feels so "dont know", not good enough, the zealot is to young and from the look he gives me i think he is not wise enough, toss should be old, but he has blue eyes like a freshborn youngstar zealot and the psi blade is out cause the fight is still not over.
Less gloss and aging the zealot = perfect. bye
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i didn't like the original and i don't like the new one, compared to what T and Z have our victory screen is pretty bland.
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Hello, Teamliquid.
These two pictures contrast each other like night and day. The Remastered art looks much more colorful and emotional compared to the original. There's not a single dark spot on the SC:R zealot's body. On the other hand, roughly half the zealot's body in the original picture is shrouded in darkness, and it has a much calmer, mysterious demeanor. Personally I prefer the original artwork because it better suits the dark (pun intended) storyline of the Protoss campaign. Not to mention the Zealot's armor in the original looks a lot cooler and more genuine compared to that of Remastered, which looks like a plastic toy. The original zealot is staring off into the distance, ready to face its destiny, whereas the Remastered zealot is looking up as if answering to a higher power. If you guys recall, the Protoss campaign was all about disobeying the Conclave and doing what was best for the race. Again, the new art doesn't really fit with the storyline in my opinion. My final thought is that the Remastered zealot looks a lot more like a human than the original one does. If you look close enough, you can see it's sporting a six-pack... That's a little comical if you ask me.
Sincerely,
Shalashaska_123
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I may have a dirty mind, but on the old protoss victory screen, I've always seen a wooden dick between the zealot's leggs. I'm sad it's gone.
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On June 02 2017 18:16 Glioburd wrote:
I may have a dirty mind, but on the old protoss victory screen, I've always seen a wooden dick between the zealot's leggs. I'm sad it's gone.
cant be unseen -_-
im sticking w/ the old graphics even when remastered comes out 
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I don't think they were doing anything particularly artistic with the old screen. It's just their default zealot model with a default expression and a default pose. We're just reading into all that more now that there's a comparison.
I do like the subtle detailing in the background of the new background though, especially the reflections and the improvements to the planet.
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The new Zealot looks like a Super Smash Brothers character.
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On June 02 2017 18:16 Glioburd wrote:
I may have a dirty mind, but on the old protoss victory screen, I've always seen a wooden dick between the zealot's leggs. I'm sad it's gone.
Childhood ruined...
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
On June 02 2017 11:14 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 10:26 Essbee wrote:
Not bad but it lost it's aura of mystery and instead gives shininess and a "we are doing this together, so heroic!" feel.
Feels more epic, but also more childish. I have mixed feelings about it but at the same time, I really really REALLY don't care. It's just the victory screen ffs. I agree 100%. I thought BW was supposed to darker, more desolated, with a more mature ambience. While the new art itself is very good, doesn`t look like it portrays that. You see, even thought his eyes shows somewhat of a scared/surprised expression, the overall picture feels "heavier", somehow more mature than the new one? But like you said, who really cares too much? It's just a victory screen.
I don't think I agree that the old picture looks more "mature". The only reason why the newer one is brighter is they're trying to portay the Protoss as a race that are proud to fight for Aiur, something that doesn't really come across in the old image at all.
It's meant to be a victory screen, why would the Zealot be standing there looking confused rather than celebrating their victory.
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I would agree with a few people that the aesthetic matches more SC2, particularly in the face, but otherwise it's what you would expect from a remade element of a game which is almost 20 years old; some of it is going to be changed around. Otherwise it looks solid and respectful of the source material.
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On June 02 2017 18:46 Zera wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 18:16 Glioburd wrote:
I may have a dirty mind, but on the old protoss victory screen, I've always seen a wooden dick between the zealot's leggs. I'm sad it's gone. Childhood ruined...
I'm sorry :D
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On June 02 2017 18:16 Glioburd wrote:
I may have a dirty mind, but on the old protoss victory screen, I've always seen a wooden dick between the zealot's leggs. I'm sad it's gone.
never looked down there, most def dirty
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Dont like it. The pose is horrible
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The pose pretty much ruins it for me. I am fine with the design of the zealot.
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Japan11285 Posts
I like that they're putting in details on the armor and stuff (sc2-izing aside). Imo, Protoss designs back in the day were too bland in that department. However what's putting me off is that the original image was meant to give the zealot a mysterious image while the new one is more like "Let's get it on, bitches!" Anyone who's read campaign text should surely know how Blizz always dubbed the Protoss as the enigmatic and calculating race.
It's not anywhere near bad, in fact it's cool. But the vibe it gives off is doesn't fit SC Protoss.
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Why does he have his psi blade deployed when the battle's already over and he's back at base? Keep that thing on safety before you put a hole in the hull you very enthusiastic zealot.
Could also use a little more stars to wall ratio.
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On June 02 2017 22:51 c3rberUs wrote:
I like that they're putting in details on the armor and stuff (sc2-izing aside). Imo, Protoss designs back in the day were too bland in that department. However what's putting me off is that the original image was meant to give the zealot a mysterious image while the new one is more like "Let's get it on, bitches!" Anyone who's read campaign text should surely know how Blizz always dubbed the Protoss as the enigmatic and calculating race.
It's not anywhere near bad, in fact it's cool. But the vibe it gives off is doesn't fit SC Protoss.
The Protoss from SC were known to be a warrior race though, not engimatic to the extent they're completely stoic. All the protoss voice lines make me feel that they would totally be down to say "Let's get it on, bitches!" , as they seem to be ones that get totally pumped for glorious battle. They're not beings devoid of emotion.
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Sorta feel you guys are taking this too seriously.
Victory screen is like... the new profiles, they have room to update and make changes.. unlike the core gameplay which is to remain unchanged.
So what if the Victory screen is different? Are people also complaining the chat interface is no longer like the old one?
Anyway, good work to the people at Blizzard, no matter what they do, certain people will never be satisfied.
I for one, welcome our new Victory screens.
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isnt the wooden dick the zealot hair? lmao
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@Cecil
Yes, an improvement has been made there. LOL
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Long story short: the new zealot has a stupid "murica fuck yeah" look on his face and his psi-blade's activated to add cheap drama and all of it looks pathetic.
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On June 02 2017 16:54 XERX wrote:
old one is garbage this one is dope
you are easily distracted by shiny things
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Just nostagia.
It affects your judgement more than you think.
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Respect the nostalgia represent
u gotta sk8
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I think it looks pretty great. No idea what the guys talking about it looking too much like sc2 are talking about. It's the original zealot model only in an action pose with more pixels. Maybe "too much like sc2" means not blurry enough? ;-)
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On June 03 2017 03:32 Intari wrote:
I think it looks pretty great. No idea what the guys talking about it looking too much like sc2 are talking about. It's the original zealot model only in an action pose with more pixels. Maybe "too much like sc2" means not blurry enough? ;-)
Are you blind? Actually compare the image for gods sake. Different armor, different pose, different physiology and a different blade. This isnt a BW Protoss, they literally changed everything to make it seem more sc2 like.
Weather you like the new version or not, you cannot deny the sc2 influence. Here is what puts me off a little summarised in an image I put together in 5 minutes:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nbaRp7y.jpg)
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It's ok. I guess the humans won't look like this anymore either.
![[image loading]](http://nostradidifan.free.fr/Starcraft/terran.JPG)
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This is one of the only changes I don't like at all. It's okay but they changed it too much.
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On June 03 2017 03:40 404AlphaSquad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 03:32 Intari wrote:
I think it looks pretty great. No idea what the guys talking about it looking too much like sc2 are talking about. It's the original zealot model only in an action pose with more pixels. Maybe "too much like sc2" means not blurry enough? ;-) Are you blind? Actually compare the image for gods sake. Different armor, different pose, different physiology and a different blade. This isnt a BW Protoss, they literally changed everything to make it seem more sc2 like. Weather you like the new version or not, you cannot deny the sc2 influence. Here is what puts me off a little summarised in an image I put together in 5 minutes:
http://i.imgur.com/COm6yGc.jpg
![[image loading]](http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starcraft/images/b/bd/ZealotLarva_SC1_Cncpt1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110810130953)
![[image loading]](http://us.blizzard.com/static/_images/blizzcast/episode2/mart01_t.jpg)
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On June 03 2017 03:32 Intari wrote:
I think it looks pretty great. No idea what the guys talking about it looking too much like sc2 are talking about. It's the original zealot model only in an action pose with more pixels. Maybe "too much like sc2" means not blurry enough? ;-)
Look at the original zealot's face. Nothing like this one. Totally different. Different eye color, different face shape, head size. Bulkier armor, has an iconic plate in front of his face that you can easily see everywhere else, but missing. No nerve cords are showing ( the thing between his legs ). The lights are extremely shiny. Look at the shoulder pads, so tiny compared to the original zealot. Also the color of the original was a yellow/orange not golden etc. This is not the original zealot model I don't know what you're talking about friend.
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You guys are hilarious, just wanted to make you know that.
Keep going!
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Everyone who have heard the original Zealot voice and lines should be aware that the second picture is much more accurate to the spirit of the unit compared to the old one.
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utter shit catering to 14 year olds, just like sc2
Not flaming, just being honest. I thought the Zerg one was much better.
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i have only one to say and its:
#stopbluewashing
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On June 02 2017 14:23 lestye wrote:
Are BW protoss supposed to be scared or surprised in victory? That interpretation seems contradictory to protoss who are supposed to be a warrior race.
Honestly the BW one seems a stoic alien standing in the dark.
The new one has a clearly more determined aggressive look. Maybe it's guilty of throwing subtlety out the window, but overall I think it's great
Protoss are alien in every sense. They shouldn't express themselves like humans.
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On June 03 2017 01:02 Superbanana wrote:
Just nostagia.
It affects your judgement more than you think.
wrong.
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I don't like the art style direction of sc2, and this new protoss victory screen screams sc2 art style. For that reason I'm out! -Shark Tank.
But seriously, I noticed an artwork style trend difference from the 2010s and the 1990s. In anime, the 1990s to early 2000s they looked more gritty and more realistic, colors were not always so bright or shiny or plastic looking and to me felt more relatable artwork. Now anime artwork is all polished, glazed like barbie dolls and shiny. Same kind of concept here with sc2. Everything is so polished and shiny, for me it detracts and makes it less relatable to me. Call me old fashioned but I am not into lolli artwork or super shiny everything.
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On June 03 2017 06:20 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 14:23 lestye wrote:
Are BW protoss supposed to be scared or surprised in victory? That interpretation seems contradictory to protoss who are supposed to be a warrior race.
Honestly the BW one seems a stoic alien standing in the dark.
The new one has a clearly more determined aggressive look. Maybe it's guilty of throwing subtlety out the window, but overall I think it's great Protoss are alien in every sense. They shouldn't express themselves like humans.
You would think that's the case, but it isn't throughout those old concept art and even in some of the cinematics
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On June 03 2017 06:20 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 14:23 lestye wrote:
Are BW protoss supposed to be scared or surprised in victory? That interpretation seems contradictory to protoss who are supposed to be a warrior race.
Honestly the BW one seems a stoic alien standing in the dark.
The new one has a clearly more determined aggressive look. Maybe it's guilty of throwing subtlety out the window, but overall I think it's great Protoss are alien in every sense. They shouldn't express themselves like humans.
That's ridiculous. They're not as alien as the zerg and they are plenty expressive in the lore, the story, and even in the unit voiceovers.
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Really do prefer the old one.
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On June 03 2017 03:32 Intari wrote:
I think it looks pretty great. No idea what the guys talking about it looking too much like sc2 are talking about. It's the original zealot model only in an action pose with more pixels. Maybe "too much like sc2" means not blurry enough? ;-)
No idea how you could even tell, given that according to this statement of yours you must be blind or at least dead-drunk. AlphaSquad already gave yo some details, but it should be pointed out that Protoss appearance was already signifcantly changed (not for the better, I think) between SC vanilla and brood war: The face/skin got a lot smoother, armour lighter or almost non-existant. Look at the portrayal of Artanis. It's so different from what a Protoss should look like. Maybe it was meant to underline that he was actually quite young for a Protoss, I don't know. But Zeratul is portrayed in much the same manner. compare Zeratul's and Artanis'
portrayal from the BW campaign end cinematic with the portrayal of Tassadar in the vanilla end scenematic... Original Protoss still looks both the most "badass" (as opposed to wannabe-poser) and the most Alien.
Also, the devs said that their goal was to preserve the original art style and just fill in details where they were pixelated out due to technical limitations in the original release – so why change the armor and anatomy design that drastically? Especially considering that the in-game model will necessarily have to keep all the details of the original design?
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On June 03 2017 04:27 azrael1965 wrote:It's ok. I guess the humans won't look like this anymore either.
I expect the marines in the defeat and victory screen for Terran to look bulky as hell, i mean if you look at the original screen the marine looks like he is wearing a suit, I'm guessing in the new one he is gonna look alot more like a transformer
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On June 02 2017 04:26 greenelve wrote:As a zerg player, if you dont like this new victory screen, i promise you, you will not see it often. The overall quality of the screen is better, though the style looks more SC2 ish. *actual promise is not real, mostly for the joke. unfortunately.
Hahaha
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On June 02 2017 04:12 blackmanpl wrote:
Was good, now it's lame.
Pretty much this. Just like they did with Zerg's screen.
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On June 03 2017 07:50 ICanFlyLow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 04:27 azrael1965 wrote:It's ok. I guess the humans won't look like this anymore either. I expect the marines in the defeat and victory screen for Terran to look bulky as hell, i mean if you look at the original screen the marine looks like he is wearing a suit, I'm guessing in the new one he is gonna look alot more like a transformer Dont forget, he will shine so bright as to be almost glaring.
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On June 03 2017 08:18 Dazed. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 07:50 ICanFlyLow wrote:On June 03 2017 04:27 azrael1965 wrote:It's ok. I guess the humans won't look like this anymore either. I expect the marines in the defeat and victory screen for Terran to look bulky as hell, i mean if you look at the original screen the marine looks like he is wearing a suit, I'm guessing in the new one he is gonna look alot more like a transformer Dont forget, he will shine so bright as to be almost glaring.
More importantly... Will he have a cigarette while shining in defeat?
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Not the best picture. Why is the zealot randomly posing like that in the spaceship? It doesn't make sense. Old picture is better in terms of design.
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My 2 cents - in the new images so far the characters have become too anthropomorphised and have lost their mystique i.e. we don't need to see a zealot being all triumphant and fist pumping, brows furrowed to indicate victory. Same with the hydralisk, all menacing and snarling. Just keep it simple and let the stylisation speak for the lore dammit
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On June 03 2017 08:55 FireBlast! wrote:
My 2 cents - in the new images so far the characters have become too anthropomorphised and have lost their mystique i.e. we don't need to see a zealot being all triumphant and fist pumping, brows furrowed to indicate victory. Same with the hydralisk, all menacing and snarling. Just keep it simple and let the stylisation speak for the lore dammit
I don't see why they wouldn't be triumphant and fist bumping, that completely fits the character. I think people are like projecting their idea of protoss as mindless emotionless husks when that couldn't be further from the truth.
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On June 02 2017 23:04 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 22:51 c3rberUs wrote:
I like that they're putting in details on the armor and stuff (sc2-izing aside). Imo, Protoss designs back in the day were too bland in that department. However what's putting me off is that the original image was meant to give the zealot a mysterious image while the new one is more like "Let's get it on, bitches!" Anyone who's read campaign text should surely know how Blizz always dubbed the Protoss as the enigmatic and calculating race.
It's not anywhere near bad, in fact it's cool. But the vibe it gives off is doesn't fit SC Protoss. The Protoss from SC were known to be a warrior race though, not engimatic to the extent they're completely stoic. All the protoss voice lines make me feel that they would totally be down to say "Let's get it on, bitches!" , as they seem to be ones that get totally pumped for glorious battle. They're not beings devoid of emotion.
I know the quotes but that doesn't need to translate to a weird pose to overtly say "Let's get it on, bitches!" We already know they're ready for glorious death in battle but they don't need to go Hollywood style and further push it up on us.
And now that I think about, this is a victory screen. All the victory screens are depicting the race's warrior/s after the battle was won. Now they've changed it to a heroic last moment (i.e. the Zerg one) except the Zealot here looks like he's in his room all alone, doing silly poses.
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On June 03 2017 11:13 c3rberUs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 23:04 lestye wrote:On June 02 2017 22:51 c3rberUs wrote:
I like that they're putting in details on the armor and stuff (sc2-izing aside). Imo, Protoss designs back in the day were too bland in that department. However what's putting me off is that the original image was meant to give the zealot a mysterious image while the new one is more like "Let's get it on, bitches!" Anyone who's read campaign text should surely know how Blizz always dubbed the Protoss as the enigmatic and calculating race.
It's not anywhere near bad, in fact it's cool. But the vibe it gives off is doesn't fit SC Protoss. The Protoss from SC were known to be a warrior race though, not engimatic to the extent they're completely stoic. All the protoss voice lines make me feel that they would totally be down to say "Let's get it on, bitches!" , as they seem to be ones that get totally pumped for glorious battle. They're not beings devoid of emotion. I know the quotes but that doesn't need to translate to a weird pose to overtly say "Let's get it on, bitches!" We already know they're ready for glorious death in battle but they don't need to go Hollywood style and further push it up on us. And now that I think about, this is a victory screen. All the victory screens are depicting the race's warrior/s after the battle was won. Now they've changed it to a heroic last moment (i.e. the Zerg one) except the Zealot here looks like he's in his room all alone, doing silly poses.
I dont understand hows that blatanly hollywood. If you were a zealot on a carrier, a soldier on a ship, and you received news that your faction obtained a decisive victory, I would imagine a huzzah or a hurrah would be completely inappropriate.
Comparatively, the BW pose where it just feels like they loaded the model and didnt bother rigging him a posture. I like how someone above described it, it was completely default, not what you would expect from a victory screen.
I will concede maybe they didnt go far enough with the liberties, it is silly he's on a ship instead of on a battlefield.
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On June 03 2017 09:12 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 08:55 FireBlast! wrote:
My 2 cents - in the new images so far the characters have become too anthropomorphised and have lost their mystique i.e. we don't need to see a zealot being all triumphant and fist pumping, brows furrowed to indicate victory. Same with the hydralisk, all menacing and snarling. Just keep it simple and let the stylisation speak for the lore dammit I don't see why they wouldn't be triumphant and fist bumping, that completely fits the character. I think people are like projecting their idea of protoss as mindless emotionless husks when that couldn't be further from the truth. They seemed like stoic warrior monks to me. I dont know, I got from the protoss an ancient and arcane race, mysterious and proud, not
"FOR AIUR! *pumps fist in the air dramatically* Yeah!"
It's a little ridiculous even if a human was doing it, to be honest.
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People will say they think it is bad if that's what most others are stating, any oldschool player is grateful.
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On June 03 2017 12:36 Dazed. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 09:12 lestye wrote:On June 03 2017 08:55 FireBlast! wrote:
My 2 cents - in the new images so far the characters have become too anthropomorphised and have lost their mystique i.e. we don't need to see a zealot being all triumphant and fist pumping, brows furrowed to indicate victory. Same with the hydralisk, all menacing and snarling. Just keep it simple and let the stylisation speak for the lore dammit I don't see why they wouldn't be triumphant and fist bumping, that completely fits the character. I think people are like projecting their idea of protoss as mindless emotionless husks when that couldn't be further from the truth. They seemed like stoic warrior monks to me. I dont know, I got from the protoss an ancient and arcane race, mysterious and proud, not "FOR AIUR! *pumps fist in the air dramatically* Yeah!" It's a little ridiculous even if a human was doing it, to be honest.
I think they could be all of things, but like I've said in th is thread, they're ultimately a warrior race, kicking ass is what their whole shit is about. I think that's reflected in the zealot quotes.
"What battle calls?" "My life for Aiur!" "All for the Empire." "Doom to all who threaten the homeworld!" "Honor guide me!"
I could totally see these warriors raising their blades after a glorious battle. That's totally in their character.
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On June 03 2017 11:42 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 11:13 c3rberUs wrote:On June 02 2017 23:04 lestye wrote:On June 02 2017 22:51 c3rberUs wrote:
I like that they're putting in details on the armor and stuff (sc2-izing aside). Imo, Protoss designs back in the day were too bland in that department. However what's putting me off is that the original image was meant to give the zealot a mysterious image while the new one is more like "Let's get it on, bitches!" Anyone who's read campaign text should surely know how Blizz always dubbed the Protoss as the enigmatic and calculating race.
It's not anywhere near bad, in fact it's cool. But the vibe it gives off is doesn't fit SC Protoss. The Protoss from SC were known to be a warrior race though, not engimatic to the extent they're completely stoic. All the protoss voice lines make me feel that they would totally be down to say "Let's get it on, bitches!" , as they seem to be ones that get totally pumped for glorious battle. They're not beings devoid of emotion. I know the quotes but that doesn't need to translate to a weird pose to overtly say "Let's get it on, bitches!" We already know they're ready for glorious death in battle but they don't need to go Hollywood style and further push it up on us. And now that I think about, this is a victory screen. All the victory screens are depicting the race's warrior/s after the battle was won. Now they've changed it to a heroic last moment (i.e. the Zerg one) except the Zealot here looks like he's in his room all alone, doing silly poses. I dont understand hows that blatanly hollywood. If you were a zealot on a carrier, a soldier on a ship, and you received news that your faction obtained a decisive victory, I would imagine a huzzah or a hurrah would be completely inappropriate. Comparatively, the BW pose where it just feels like they loaded the model and didnt bother rigging him a posture. I like how someone above described it, it was completely default, not what you would expect from a victory screen. I will concede maybe they didnt go far enough with the liberties, it is silly he's on a ship instead of on a battlefield.
The new pose looks less more like "huzzah we won!" than "photographer: now do the ready for battle pose."
I do concede though that the original pose was what you said. But compare that to the new one, the old pose was more in line with the warrior monk type.
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On June 03 2017 11:42 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 11:13 c3rberUs wrote:On June 02 2017 23:04 lestye wrote:On June 02 2017 22:51 c3rberUs wrote:
I like that they're putting in details on the armor and stuff (sc2-izing aside). Imo, Protoss designs back in the day were too bland in that department. However what's putting me off is that the original image was meant to give the zealot a mysterious image while the new one is more like "Let's get it on, bitches!" Anyone who's read campaign text should surely know how Blizz always dubbed the Protoss as the enigmatic and calculating race.
It's not anywhere near bad, in fact it's cool. But the vibe it gives off is doesn't fit SC Protoss. The Protoss from SC were known to be a warrior race though, not engimatic to the extent they're completely stoic. All the protoss voice lines make me feel that they would totally be down to say "Let's get it on, bitches!" , as they seem to be ones that get totally pumped for glorious battle. They're not beings devoid of emotion. I know the quotes but that doesn't need to translate to a weird pose to overtly say "Let's get it on, bitches!" We already know they're ready for glorious death in battle but they don't need to go Hollywood style and further push it up on us. And now that I think about, this is a victory screen. All the victory screens are depicting the race's warrior/s after the battle was won. Now they've changed it to a heroic last moment (i.e. the Zerg one) except the Zealot here looks like he's in his room all alone, doing silly poses. the BW pose where it just feels like they loaded the model and didnt bother rigging him a posture.
obviously what really happened! The technology just wasn't there yet to manipulate and render a 3d model! Look at the terran's defeat screen - just loaded a model! Right?
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On June 03 2017 12:43 GGzerG wrote:
People will say they think it is bad if that's what most others are stating, any oldschool player is grateful. Disliking bad art doesnt mean you arent appreciative of the remastered generally, dont be silly.
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I don't approve of the new zealot because that's the cool thing to do.
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On June 03 2017 13:37 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 11:42 lestye wrote:On June 03 2017 11:13 c3rberUs wrote:On June 02 2017 23:04 lestye wrote:On June 02 2017 22:51 c3rberUs wrote:
I like that they're putting in details on the armor and stuff (sc2-izing aside). Imo, Protoss designs back in the day were too bland in that department. However what's putting me off is that the original image was meant to give the zealot a mysterious image while the new one is more like "Let's get it on, bitches!" Anyone who's read campaign text should surely know how Blizz always dubbed the Protoss as the enigmatic and calculating race.
It's not anywhere near bad, in fact it's cool. But the vibe it gives off is doesn't fit SC Protoss. The Protoss from SC were known to be a warrior race though, not engimatic to the extent they're completely stoic. All the protoss voice lines make me feel that they would totally be down to say "Let's get it on, bitches!" , as they seem to be ones that get totally pumped for glorious battle. They're not beings devoid of emotion. I know the quotes but that doesn't need to translate to a weird pose to overtly say "Let's get it on, bitches!" We already know they're ready for glorious death in battle but they don't need to go Hollywood style and further push it up on us. And now that I think about, this is a victory screen. All the victory screens are depicting the race's warrior/s after the battle was won. Now they've changed it to a heroic last moment (i.e. the Zerg one) except the Zealot here looks like he's in his room all alone, doing silly poses. the BW pose where it just feels like they loaded the model and didnt bother rigging him a posture. obviously what really happened! The technology just wasn't there yet to manipulate and render a 3d model! Look at the terran's defeat screen - just loaded a model! Right?
What? The Terran defeat screen there's actually a pose, emotion on the character's face, deliberate rigging. That's completely different than my critique of the Protoss screen where its just the zealot standing there doing nothing.
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On June 03 2017 08:55 FireBlast! wrote:
My 2 cents - in the new images so far the characters have become too anthropomorphised and have lost their mystique i.e. we don't need to see a zealot being all triumphant and fist pumping, brows furrowed to indicate victory. Same with the hydralisk, all menacing and snarling. Just keep it simple and let the stylisation speak for the lore dammit
jesus christ there's a name i haven't seen in a while
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On June 03 2017 14:59 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 08:55 FireBlast! wrote:
My 2 cents - in the new images so far the characters have become too anthropomorphised and have lost their mystique i.e. we don't need to see a zealot being all triumphant and fist pumping, brows furrowed to indicate victory. Same with the hydralisk, all menacing and snarling. Just keep it simple and let the stylisation speak for the lore dammit jesus christ there's a name i haven't seen in a while
Wow, seconded.
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On June 03 2017 06:32 Moopower wrote:
I don't like the art style direction of sc2, and this new protoss victory screen screams sc2 art style. For that reason I'm out! -Shark Tank.
But seriously, I noticed an artwork style trend difference from the 2010s and the 1990s. In anime, the 1990s to early 2000s they looked more gritty and more realistic, colors were not always so bright or shiny or plastic looking and to me felt more relatable artwork. Now anime artwork is all polished, glazed like barbie dolls and shiny. Same kind of concept here with sc2. Everything is so polished and shiny, for me it detracts and makes it less relatable to me. Call me old fashioned but I am not into lolli artwork or super shiny everything.
This plasticky and shiny look is now everywhere. I completely agree with you that it looks extremely odd, not real. It also breaks immersion. And this trend is everywhere in gaming. Recently saw the remake of System Shock and I was so disappointed to see that go for all this glitter... Same here...
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Old one looks way better.
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If both of the pictures were put before us as conceptart in 1997, can anyone honestly say that they wouldn't have preferred the remastered one? The only reason to prefer the old screen seems to be our emotional attachment to it.
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On June 03 2017 09:12 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 08:55 FireBlast! wrote:
My 2 cents - in the new images so far the characters have become too anthropomorphised and have lost their mystique i.e. we don't need to see a zealot being all triumphant and fist pumping, brows furrowed to indicate victory. Same with the hydralisk, all menacing and snarling. Just keep it simple and let the stylisation speak for the lore dammit I don't see why they wouldn't be triumphant and fist bumping, that completely fits the character. I think people are like projecting their idea of protoss as mindless emotionless husks when that couldn't be further from the truth.
Let's call these people group 1.
Group 2 are the ones who project their ideas of stereotypical human emotional expression on what is supposed to be an Alien race...
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I'm cool with it, though i admit I was never a huge fan of the abdomen of protoss in original SC artwork, It just seemed to slender and frail for a race that fights in melee combat with plasma swords and it was the only unarmored part of them in the art. The in game models were cool but I was not the biggest fan of the way they looked in the cinematics. I just wish they kept more of the bulky armor feel of the original though; that's the thing I don't like about sc2 protoss art. I like the bulkiness of protoss units and structures in bw.
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On June 03 2017 18:10 Freakling wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 09:12 lestye wrote:inst On June 03 2017 08:55 FireBlast! wrote:
My 2 cents - in the new images so far the characters have become too anthropomorphised and have lost their mystique i.e. we don't need to see a zealot being all triumphant and fist pumping, brows furrowed to indicate victory. Same with the hydralisk, all menacing and snarling. Just keep it simple and let the stylisation speak for the lore dammit I don't see why they wouldn't be triumphant and fist bumping, that completely fits the character. I think people are like projecting their idea of protoss as mindless emotionless husks when that couldn't be further from the truth. Let's call these people group 1. Group 2 are the ones who project their ideas of stereotypical human emotional expression on what is supposed to be an Alien race...
The new zealot is leaning over staring at something
The old one is like half slav squatting on its tippy toes
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To sum up the issues for people who do not like it so far:
- Heavily SC2 influence in the look of the Zealot as in:
- Shiny Colors [ Even eye colors changed from orange/brown to blue to match that of SC2 Zealot ]
- Edgy poses
- facial expression [ Don't remember that BW Protoss had facial expressions like angry or afraid or happy. They don't have a mouth so they do not smile or anything. But that doesn't mean their eyes will have any of that facial expression changes. Their face remained at every circumstances whether it was good or bad. As a mystical race, having no facial expression at all suits them better.
- armor design change
Did I miss anything?
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On June 03 2017 21:00 StylishVODs wrote:
The Zealot now have abs.
Yeah they hit the gym very hard the past 20 years.
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not only gym, they gave a massive junk to the zealot, look at the old model with detail, there is only legs support, this one basically got an exoskeleton of his own.
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Stop bluewashing Protoss history.
#WhiteLivesMatter
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This picture looks amazing. Don't say it looks cartoonish. Nothing is 3d in the remastered.
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I can't say there is something wrong with the new one but still going for nostalgia.
^ Sorry if I look like stealing your post, just added the old one for comparison.
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On June 16 2017 06:18 Wrath wrote:I can't say there is something wrong with the new one but still going for nostalgia. ^ Sorry if I look like stealing your post, just added the old one for comparison.
I love the new one!
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meh it's mediocre, i like the old one better.
€: i like the new terran screen. I'd still go with the old one for nostalgia, but it's good.
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I like the addition of the bullet casings on the ground
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Is it me or the guns in the old screen seems longer?
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I like the old one too solely because of the direction the artist took with the style. The new one is nice but the new one in the same direction as the old one would have been da bomb
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I think the quality of the art is pretty good.
It seems like at some point they sent a memo to the art team and told them to brighten everything up. The old BW art is all dark and in shadow and the new art all looks like it has studio lighting or something. I don't know if there is a point in complaining about it now but I prefer the darker style to the lighter one.
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The new Terran victory screen is better.
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Really like it, but think it could be a little better. Darker space in background, and darker flag. Make the ground look a little more wet and foreign. Make the environment look deep, dark and scary. The compositional placements are way better in the new one, and the overall lighting focus is way better. But it lost the deep, dark and scary element. Marines are going WAY out in the middle of a very dangerous space, far far from earth.
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On June 03 2017 08:55 FireBlast! wrote:
My 2 cents - in the new images so far the characters have become too anthropomorphised and have lost their mystique i.e. we don't need to see a zealot being all triumphant and fist pumping, brows furrowed to indicate victory. Same with the hydralisk, all menacing and snarling. Just keep it simple and let the stylisation speak for the lore dammit
Actually it's my opinion too. The original art looked a little more alien and remote. They're telepathy after all, so they can communicate their emotions directly They have no need for our pathetic human facial expressions.
It's just a victory screen though. They probably went through some testing and found people related to and became more attached to anthropomorphized features, and that some people were too grossed out by his weird horrible fingers. That wouldn't be a problem if they were the bad guys, but we have to play as them, so they want them all to be easy to understand.
But I do think one of the notes the original hit was how really different it felt to play the other races, how unfamiliar their mechanics were. You really feel like the alien when you play Zerg, throwing away fragile masses to claw apart the enemy. Playing the bad guys can be fun.
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And yet again, the imaginary art experts gather together
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Wow! The new one look fantastic. Good job Blizzard!
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Looks sick, the original one was blaaaaand
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It's weird that this gets 8 pages. Imma be weird too.
The Terran one is fine, great even.
If I were playing Protoss, that victory screen would make me want to loose.
But 'roids will do that to telepathic aliens. One day it's all "I am one with the kala, but it's beach season and I need to muscle up" next it's protein shakes, date rape and a citation for assault for what you did to that Jehovah's witness that knocked when you couldn't find the remote.
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I like how the marines have painted their own armor in the original, like how the US Air Force used to paint sexy ladies on their planes. It's just a neat touch and it's the one thing I'm not a fan of in the new screen. At the very least they could have a squad logo on their shoulder pads.
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I am completely puzzled by the criticism that the new pictures suck because BW is darker and SC2 is less realistic. In fact, one of the things I loved about BW over SC2 is how colorful it is. Look at a big battle in BW. The bright colors make it easier to tell units and factions apart compared to SC2's more realistic looking colors.
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one thing about BW, is back then, the art direction was kinda all over the place. What did a zergling actually look like? Compare the zerglings art in the book, to the 3d model, to the in-game portrait to the opening sequence in BW where they look like mini-hydras. People are upset about an update in a victory screen? If anything, Blizzard has unified their art direction in the starcraft universe.
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On June 16 2017 09:39 emc wrote:
one thing about BW, is back then, the art direction was kinda all over the place. What did a zergling actually look like? Compare the zerglings art in the book, to the 3d model, to the in-game portrait to the opening sequence in BW where they look like mini-hydras. People are upset about an update in a victory screen? If anything, Blizzard has unified their art direction in the starcraft universe.
who's upset?
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Because it is artwork people are going to have differing opinions about it. I can only speak for myself and say that I don't think the art is bad (although I do not like the p victory screen) but that the tone is different because of the lighting. I'm not sure what people expect to be said when artwork is posted for comment anyway.
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New one is good, could use either and i wouldnt complain.
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less shiny pls and less lens flare lol
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I have stopped noticing the victory screen background long, long ago. I imagine the same will occur with this one!
As long as I can still ladder with the original gfx, s'all good.
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The new terran one so much better than the protoss one wtf.
I don't want to say much more. The new terran victory screen simply looks great. Both old and new have somewhat distinct directions but both are equally good!
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I agree with many posters regarding the gleam of it. I enjoyed Brood War for its dark, warlike theme. These units are warriors and battle is not suppose to be glamorous or pretty.
I do enjoy the actual model though, I would have both his blades out and maybe have his armor a little battle scared, similar to the new Artanis skin in HOTS 2.0 with the Zeratul blade.
Overall, it is a definite improvement.
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I do like the realism of the new victory screens but to me, it doesn't really matter which one I see. In the end, all i care about is gameplay seeing as you can't even see the background much after a game.
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It looks Michael Bayish to me. It's kind of a superficial part of the game, though. StarCraft isn't a comic book.
[edit] ...Meaning it's not that important.
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New terran vic is good, would be better if they darkened it up and removed the lens flares, but I have no major complaints.
New protoss vic is terrible. Looks like Michael Bay designed it. Like the zealot is going to start dancing a la Matrix: Reloaded.
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The terran one is a vast improvement over the protoss. I still say they clearly need to redo the redo for the protoss screen.
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On June 23 2017 08:56 BigFan wrote:
I do like the realism of the new victory screens but to me, it doesn't really matter which one I see. In the end, all i care about is gameplay seeing as you can't even see the background much after a game.
Nah, after a win, you savor the feeling of temporary elation while gazing upon the picture of your victorious warriors.
Also, I do agree that they need to cut down on the lens flare and overall brightness. It's like trying to add a bright color to a dark themed app which doesn't make sense.
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