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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
June 03 2017 09:18 GMT
#101
God, I loved Cholera's casts.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4338 Posts
June 03 2017 11:34 GMT
#102
It's still an active thread diggity. Thanks for swinging by.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
June 03 2017 13:27 GMT
#103
i always used to think how blessed i was to have terrible game knowledge so i could just enjoy starcraft with my 'friends' who were the casters i would listen to every day
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
June 03 2017 22:45 GMT
#104
Hey Diggity! Its easier said than done, but I think internet personalities really just have to shrugg off all the hate they get. and in your case im positive so many more people enjoyed it but didnt say anything. The haters are mostly a very loud minority. Those commentaries really meant the world to me at least.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
June 04 2017 03:30 GMT
#105
On June 01 2017 06:35 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2017 06:31 RainmanMP wrote:
On June 01 2017 06:02 Lucumo wrote:
On May 31 2017 16:31 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
In some ways, I feel us YouTube casters brought many, many, MANY people to this game during the 2006-2010 period. None of the TL or GG guys were casting or putting up content. Artosis and Tasteless weren't. If you look through that period we were it for people that couldn't watch the games live or wanted to figure out the stream launchers, fuck even internet and streaming were fucking SHIT back then. Amazing how far it's come in 10/11 years. Nobody ever seems to recognize that it feels.

Tasteless casted 2008 XNote GOMTV Star Invitational and the three Classic Seasons in that time frame. Youtube had all the videos.
Also, there was livestream and after that ustream and after that justin.tv (where you were one of the first to stream from, if I remember correctly).


Besides Artosis at SCForAll, there wasn't a whole lot of content out there back in the day. I also know that for me, I lost interest(and have still never fully recovered) from the original BW matchfixing scandal. Yes the GOMTV stuff for Tasteless was a lot, but I remember at SC2GG we had nearly every game covered with either casting or an article for the 5 days of Proleague on OGN and MBC as well as OSL and MSL.

And I don't rememeber GOM videos being available on youtube. I always had to go to GOM website to watch them which I found pretty annoying.

You are correct, I just checked my old bookmarks. The Youtube part was about Valor Starleague (also casted by Tasteless). GOM had their own thing, I remember them eventually introducing anti-spoiler games, so that you weren't able to see whether the matches ended in two or three games.
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
June 04 2017 03:36 GMT
#106
Actually the Star Invitational and Classic Seasons 1 & 3 are on YouTube and mosly complete. Of course they are all in 240p.

I had done some playlists of the GOM Classics some months ago, but deleted them because I couldn't stand the 240p rez anymore.
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
CUTtheCBC
Profile Joined December 2016
Canada91 Posts
June 04 2017 10:47 GMT
#107
where is supernovamaniac~
Brood War's Back, YEA!
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4982 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-04 10:57:50
June 04 2017 10:55 GMT
#108
On June 03 2017 11:23 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
This was the stuff we disliked most. We can't do anything about our voice. Why post it at all?

The voice is a big deal, if not the biggest, of the package you're presenting. You're not going into hosting radio or announcing when your voice isn't liked. Now if it's just like one or two people saying this and you still get 10+k viewers and like/dislike ratio is better than 1, you shouldn't worry about it. I think negative feedback is often too easy to tunnel on, because -like it's been said before- it's easier for people to comment something negative (and people that liked it aren't going to comment as fast imo).
If 1000 people said something about your voice, I'd understand that maybe doing something -and uploading that for everyone to check out- while only using your voice, isn't the best of ideas.
Your commentary may be the best, the most analytical, the funniest, but if the voice is just too harsh to listen to, it all falls flat on its face.

Also: I got primarily into starcraft because of Diggity/Klazart/Moletrap/Cholera. I registered on SC2GG before I even heard of TL and thought TL was their nemesis (which I guess seems kind of correct now lol). Sadly I also switched to TL because they had the live streams, which could temper my ever increasing BW addiction.
Taxes are for Terrans
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
June 04 2017 14:34 GMT
#109
On June 04 2017 19:55 Uldridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2017 11:23 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
This was the stuff we disliked most. We can't do anything about our voice. Why post it at all?

The voice is a big deal, if not the biggest, of the package you're presenting.

Pretty much. The voice is extremely important.
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
June 04 2017 14:55 GMT
#110
On June 04 2017 19:55 Uldridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2017 11:23 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
This was the stuff we disliked most. We can't do anything about our voice. Why post it at all?

The voice is a big deal, if not the biggest, of the package you're presenting. You're not going into hosting radio or announcing when your voice isn't liked. Now if it's just like one or two people saying this and you still get 10+k viewers and like/dislike ratio is better than 1, you shouldn't worry about it. I think negative feedback is often too easy to tunnel on, because -like it's been said before- it's easier for people to comment something negative (and people that liked it aren't going to comment as fast imo).
If 1000 people said something about your voice, I'd understand that maybe doing something -and uploading that for everyone to check out- while only using your voice, isn't the best of ideas.
Your commentary may be the best, the most analytical, the funniest, but if the voice is just too harsh to listen to, it all falls flat on its face.


Completely agreed.

I don't know why you'd get offended by someone saying they don't like your voice (unless they were being a dick of course); it's literally such an easy pure subjective thing that you can just chalk up to "well obviously not everyone is gonna like my voice" and move on. It's not like you're expected to change it lol (unless, again, the poster was being a dick).
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
June 04 2017 16:13 GMT
#111
On June 04 2017 23:55 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 19:55 Uldridge wrote:
On June 03 2017 11:23 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
This was the stuff we disliked most. We can't do anything about our voice. Why post it at all?

The voice is a big deal, if not the biggest, of the package you're presenting. You're not going into hosting radio or announcing when your voice isn't liked. Now if it's just like one or two people saying this and you still get 10+k viewers and like/dislike ratio is better than 1, you shouldn't worry about it. I think negative feedback is often too easy to tunnel on, because -like it's been said before- it's easier for people to comment something negative (and people that liked it aren't going to comment as fast imo).
If 1000 people said something about your voice, I'd understand that maybe doing something -and uploading that for everyone to check out- while only using your voice, isn't the best of ideas.
Your commentary may be the best, the most analytical, the funniest, but if the voice is just too harsh to listen to, it all falls flat on its face.


Completely agreed.

I don't know why you'd get offended by someone saying they don't like your voice (unless they were being a dick of course); it's literally such an easy pure subjective thing that you can just chalk up to "well obviously not everyone is gonna like my voice" and move on. It's not like you're expected to change it lol (unless, again, the poster was being a dick).


If the criticism was constructive, like you talk too fast/slow or too loud/soft that would be fine. But when you get YouTube comments saying you sound retarded or to come back when you don't have braces or other stuff along that line it's frustrating. I remember one of the early criticisms of moletrap was that he swore too much, so he worked harder to not swear during casts. I'm not sure if it's still out there, but he made one video where he swore like a sailor the entire time and it was hilarious. If you don't like the sound of my voice, fine. Don't watch my videos then. There is no positive outcome from posting an insulting YouTube comment on my video.
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SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
June 04 2017 16:22 GMT
#112
On June 04 2017 19:47 CUTtheCBC wrote:
where is supernovamaniac~


Casts with me sometimes for Filthy BW Cup. He's around the Foreign Broodwar discords and plays a lot/streams too.
twitch.tv/schamtoo | twitter.com/schamtoo
CoL_BabyZerg
Profile Joined April 2017
Canada17 Posts
June 04 2017 18:35 GMT
#113
All of the commentators mentioned like mole trap, Diggity, Klazart, Nuke, Greth, Psyonic and supernova you guys are awesome! Like always the haters speak louder than the supporters I always loved your commentary it is because of YOU that I fell in love with Starcraft and I still play competitively till this very day and love Starcraft as much as I do. Big thank you.

Thats all <3
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22001 Posts
June 04 2017 18:57 GMT
#114
God I remember listening to Moletrap cast from his car outside university/college because he was using the internet. that takes me back ><

Back then I was one of the silent listeners, just enjoying the casts by Moletrap, Diggity and Klazart and not posting much. Its almost always a small group of negative people who post hate/complaints while the silent majority simply enjoys the content provided.

I'm sorry to hear you guys took so much hate, so know that there were plenty of us quiet folk that immensely enjoyed the effort the spend on bringing BW to the west.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-04 19:27:24
June 04 2017 19:19 GMT
#115
On May 28 2017 23:26 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
I miss hacklebeast.

Yea what happened to him? He was such a good temp replacement for Sayle :/

Also it sounds like I missed a lot of history and its fun, although also a little sad, to read all this history from before sc2.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
June 04 2017 19:49 GMT
#116
Every time I watch the ASL, I can't help but think about how different things are now than when I had to load up a sketchy VLC stream and hop into a teamspeak server to hear some of these guys talk over the game.

I can't necessarily say I wish everyone who was involved back then would jump back into the scene-- what we have now is definitely way better. But I really appreciate all the more-or-less selfless work those early casters put in to pump out all that content that got me (and many others) into brood war in the first place!

I've got to say though, I'm kind of disappointed that people who were involved in the scene back then haven't come forward to tell more behind-the-scenes stories. The circle of foreign BW pros/casters/community members always seemed to allude to crazy stuff that had gone down that they couldn't talk about. I specifically remember Kennigit saying on a stream or an interview or something that as soon as he was out of the scene he was going to dump so many juicy drama bombs about what REALLY had been happening at tournaments, between players, etc-- but obviously that's never going to happen now
:3
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
June 04 2017 19:49 GMT
#117
Reading this thread was such a nostalgia trip for me. To this date, I still can't bring myself to unsub from Klazart and Cholera.
Someone call down the Thunder?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 04 2017 20:54 GMT
#118
Never really watched any of the streamers mentioned aside from maybe a single video from Nukethestars. The only streamer who I can partially credit for getting me back into the game is Sayle. His english casting of PL and playing BW on stream complete with Disney songs and such was fantastic. He's really knowledgeable but also really humorous and that's something I like to see in a caster. Sayle had the right balance between the two and casted lots including Gamble Cups which I greatly enjoyed at the time.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
deus_073
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Romania187 Posts
June 04 2017 21:08 GMT
#119
Ah the good old days ... It's true there was a lot of hate, but I think the entire community was in a different place. At that point, as an active member of SC2GG, I was quite upset about all the negativity because I really didn't understand where it was coming from, but now looking back at things ... I guess most people, myself included, weren't that mature.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States365 Posts
June 05 2017 00:02 GMT
#120
On June 05 2017 03:57 Gorsameth wrote:
God I remember listening to Moletrap cast from his car outside university/college because he was using the internet. that takes me back ><


Throwback to whisper commentaries, those were always a treat.
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