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raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
April 19 2017 11:28 GMT
#321
is a there some sort of newbie video guide for BW like what Day9 is doing for Dota?
I really hope to see a raise of YouTube contents when the Remastered is out
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9491 Posts
April 19 2017 11:29 GMT
#322
On April 19 2017 19:07 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2017 18:43 2Pacalypse- wrote:
On April 18 2017 22:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On April 18 2017 21:50 c3rberUs wrote:
On April 18 2017 11:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:
wow scummy as hell

##Vote: Hot_Bid

I like how this thread turned around. ^_^

wow that wgtour korea dream team thread. Filled with so many old-school names; ssamJang, Love, SONJJANG, TheMarine, pre-God of War Julyzerg, Enough <-- (*-_-) on this guy though sigh.

Enough vs intotherain are some of the best classical pvz games ever (on LT).

Interestingly enough, IntoTheRain was on ShieldBattery last night and played some games with us. Played 1v1 vs bioboyAT and we played some 3v3 on Hunters. Was a lot of fun, he seemed to enjoy himself.

Whaaaat ? No way !!

Actually nvm, I was mistaken. It was IntoTheRainbow, not IntoTheRain ^^.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
April 19 2017 11:57 GMT
#323
On April 19 2017 20:28 raff100 wrote:
is a there some sort of newbie video guide for BW like what Day9 is doing for Dota?
I really hope to see a raise of YouTube contents when the Remastered is out


nope, but I do believe that his initial content will be something like his dota guide but for BW.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-19 12:15:53
April 19 2017 12:13 GMT
#324
On April 19 2017 20:28 raff100 wrote:
is a there some sort of newbie video guide for BW like what Day9 is doing for Dota?
I really hope to see a raise of YouTube contents when the Remastered is out


This is for SC2, but a lot of the concepts still apply to Brood War.



You can also check out his BW podcasts, which are spectacular in terms of strategic thinking:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/89581-day-podcasts-e14-tvz-on-heartbreak-ridge

I definitely plan on making some educational content for BW in the near future .
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
JiminyDickwhip
Profile Joined April 2017
2 Posts
April 20 2017 01:58 GMT
#325
So, I keep hearing people making sports analogies and they always just seem like not the best.

He was close with football. What he wanted to say was football with no hitting: "contact and tackling are archaic and outdated, the game has developed past that and they should implement a system of tagging for blocking and tackling so that teams can focus on the strategy of blocking schemes and play design."

Soccer and hand usage: "Not using your hands in soccer is unintuitive and awkward. Learning to use only your feet takes away from setting up plays and passing and strategy. They should just allow using your hands."

Basketball and dribbling: "Dribbling is just a mindless, repetitive action that takes away from passing and picks and plays. They should just get rid of it."

Baseball without pitching: "hitting a 90mph ball is too hard and games full of strikeouts are too boring, we should all use tees so that we can focus on the strategy of where to hit the ball."

None of these sports would be improved by these suggestions, they would all be turned into completely different games (some of which, actually already exist). Likewise, unlimited control groups and multi-building selection would not improve Brood War, they would change it into a different game.

These are better sports analogies, I think. Being a sportsball type of a guy, hearing people use analogies that are not as good kind of just bothers me. Not like it is really important, though, but I already typed all this and at least somebody reading it will me me feel better and that is what is really important, right?
Eridanus
Profile Joined April 2017
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 16:45:06
April 20 2017 16:43 GMT
#326
Best analogy is traction control in F1. They are happy they got rid of it.


As for sports analogies, when a person starts playing SC BW, they want to be able to easily approach a level of play comparable to Flash or Bisu, so they won't completely suck at playing the game at a progamer level. That is what I see people say about SC Remastered and why they don't want to play it.
But when a person starts to play soccer, they have no expectations of being able to play the game in a similar way to Messi or Ronaldo.

This I find extremely odd. You can just move the mouse and build some units in the pace you would like to play at. The game is easy to learn. In the same way, you can be given a ball and play soccer with your friends any way you like.

But for gaming it has to be made easier, through the interface, to control just as many things at the same time as a progamer, so your play isn't filled with obvious flaws. You as an amateur must somehow be able to put up a fight when you are playing vs a top player. Otherwise, the game is 'too hard'. No one makes that argument for soccer, or for chess, or for anything else. It is just video gamers saying this.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28621 Posts
April 20 2017 18:51 GMT
#327
Probably related to how in computer games, it's actually possible to influence the interface. I'm sure a lot of kids who play football would like to be able to shoot, pass and control the ball flawlessly without practicing for thousands of hours.

It does not mean we should indulge them, of course. Removing skill required to execute something means that it's no longer amazing when the execution is flawless. If every free kick was perfectly curved into the top corner, it'd stop being impressive really fast.

But the possibility of rebinding hotkeys does not constitute a significant simplification of the game. People are gonna move their m to a and p to e and make a couple other adjustments, and it's gonna make some elements of macroing slightly easier. It's not gonna significantly alter skill relations, at all. There's still gonna be more than enough things to do that nobody is able to do them all, it does not significantly alter balance in any way, it just makes it easier for people who haven't ever played the game, or who quit 17 years ago, to pick it up again.

Arguments regarding skill differentiation etc are super valid for why we can't have multiple building selection or unit groups bigger than 12 or smartcasting or smarter unit movement. But hotkey rebinding is not an issue that is like that.
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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
April 20 2017 19:22 GMT
#328
This is just one of the many reasons why I love this guy

+ Show Spoiler +


Life - forever the Legend in my heart
HalcyonRain
Profile Joined March 2017
United States124 Posts
April 21 2017 01:33 GMT
#329
On April 21 2017 04:22 xtorn wrote:
This is just one of the many reasons why I love this guy

+ Show Spoiler +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIPSCwJeIUY


Now I'm laughing at a guy who is laughing at himself laughing. It's just infectious.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
August 30 2017 23:49 GMT
#330
Any additional news on this now that Remastered is out?
jehlakj
Profile Joined April 2017
23 Posts
August 31 2017 00:49 GMT
#331
Glad he's coming back, but how big is the hype for SCR exactly? From what I've seen the majority of people who are excited about it are closely tied to the sc community. Just trying to get a feel for his audience.
wind`
Profile Joined August 2017
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-31 01:24:00
August 31 2017 00:50 GMT
#332
On August 31 2017 08:49 jalstar wrote:
Any additional news on this now that Remastered is out?


Yes:


New BW videos will be coming in ~2 weeks time. The focus of the new series will be "Zero to hero" - learning how to play BW properly if you've never really tried before.

Source


"Let's Learn Starcraft" will be a ~3 months series of videos to help bring players from an "I know nothing" level of BW to an expert level. They should be starting in ~2 weeks (I'm recording clips for the series that I'll talk over to keep the pace good, and those are taking more time than I'd expected, so I delayed it 1 week longer than I had said on the SC:R stream).

Source

He made these posts about a week ago, so one week from now is when we should expect to see this series kick off.

edit: added quotes and another source
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
August 31 2017 07:44 GMT
#333
On April 21 2017 04:22 xtorn wrote:
This is just one of the many reasons why I love this guy

+ Show Spoiler +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIPSCwJeIUY


and then he can react to that and then to that a neverending laughing story ^^
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1835 Posts
September 01 2017 17:19 GMT
#334
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/6xfg3h/day9s_lets_learn_starcraft_series_begins/
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-01 17:26:47
September 01 2017 17:25 GMT
#335
On September 02 2017 02:19 GoShox wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/6xfg3h/day9s_lets_learn_starcraft_series_begins/


He has the replay to this! Stork vs Fantasy PvT Incruit OSL 2008 Finals

OH MY GOD DAY9. I want it so bad. Oh man just show me it in all it's glory. Show me all of FanTaSy's build! Also this! Flash vs Fantasy TvT Tving Semifinals

+ Show Spoiler +
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SnowfaLL
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada730 Posts
September 01 2017 17:42 GMT
#336
That APM/Micro video was really solid.. Thankfully, I've instinctively did most of the things mentioned in his video somehow naturally - But that video explains so much, It should be manditory for all new players.

I truly believe if stronger players make good tutorial videos and we get more tournaments, BW can have a decent revival. No, we'll never get any RTS to the popularity of LoL, Overwatch or Dota, but I think we can maintain a respectable viewership/eSports scene - maybe even develope the "difficulity" into a positive, some people love a challenge and being good at the hardest eSports game ever should be a benefit, not a drawback. We need local offline tournaments (regional qualifiers) and more positive figureheads in the community making content, rather than how the current "top" SC2's content creators are more trolls than serious players (avilo, winter, protech, nathanias).. We need Day9, Incontrol, Artosis type content created (PiG is doing a decent job, but thats it IMO)
Favorites: Moon, Grubby, Naniwa, TAiLS, viOLeT, DongRaeGu
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
September 01 2017 18:04 GMT
#337
Day[9] just made a post on r/Starcraft about the upcoming show. I'll repost it here with TL formatting. I asked him if he's going to make a thread on TL. If he replies with a negative, I'll make a post about this in BW General.



Ahoy /r/Starcraft!

As many of you know, I am over the moon happy that StarCraft: Remastered has released. I grew up playing StarCraft as basically the only thing I did, and now I’m once again BGHing and 1v1ing away! Loads of people are revisiting StarCraft (or even trying for the first time) and, as many reddit posts have noted, the gameplay of the original StarCraft can be a bit daunting.

So, for the next several months, I’m going to be doing a twice weekly show called Let’s Learn Starcraft! The purpose is to help bring someone from “zero to hero,” from someone who knows little to nothing about StarCraft to someone who can enjoy the game as a regular player and watcher of competitive SC:R.

StarCraft is a true challenge, but once you’ve learned enough, the simple act of playing StarCraft feels so good whether you win or lose. I sincerely hope this series can help showcase the joy and beauty of StarCraft

How to Watch
  • Livestream on Twitch, 5-7pm PDT on Tuesdays and Thursdays
  • VODs on YouTube

Topics and format

There are three categories of topics that will be covered and shows may be broken into smaller chunks. For example: Zerg Micro Tuesday with four 20-25 minute videos that each focus on a different core zerg unit micro - Mutalisk, Ling/Lurker, Hydralisk, and Defiler

Strategy

How to think about strategy in StarCraft, common builds / compositions in each matchup etc.
  • What is strategy and how does it tie into execution / mechanics
  • How to practice
  • A thorough review of each matchup - common units, strategies, openings, cheeses, and counter cheeses
  • How to construct a strategy and adjust it over time
  • How to identify weaknesses and strengths in an opening build order
  • How to change plans during crisis management
  • How to scout and what signals to look for
  • A review of tactics
  • How tactical considerations can affect game-wide strategies

Mechanics

How to properly macro / micro / manage your base / manage different unit compositions etc.
  • Small scale unit control (micro)
  • Mid and large scale unit control
  • Worker scouting and management
  • Base management
  • Hotkey setups and tricks
  • Mouse and keyboard control
  • Macro
  • Building placement tricks

Awesome Matches

Let’s watch amazing games of StarCraft (some old, some new!) to see the glory of competitive Brood War! Huge thanks to OGN for providing these replays.
  • Stork vs Fantasy PvT Incruit OSL 2008 Finals
  • Jaedong vs Yellow[ArnC] ZvZ Bacchus OSL 2009 Finals
  • Iloveoov vs Reach PvT Ever OSL 2004 Semifinals
  • Movie vs Shine Ever PvZ OSL 2009 Semifinals
  • Flash vs Fantasy TvT Tving Semifinals
  • Flash vs Shine TvZ Tving Quarterfinals
  • Jangbi vs Mini PvP Tving Quarterfinals
  • And moar!

Any Questions?

Are there any topics you want me to cover? Any question you’d like to ask? Feel free to dump it in this thread. I’ll be back in an hour because I need to drop a friend off at the airport woo!
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Jae Zedong
Profile Joined September 2016
407 Posts
September 01 2017 18:17 GMT
#338
Hyped for this!
Tyrant.
AntiHack
Profile Joined January 2009
Switzerland553 Posts
September 01 2017 19:05 GMT
#339
On September 02 2017 03:04 Aylear wrote:
Day[9] just made a post on r/Starcraft about the upcoming show. I'll repost it here with TL formatting. I asked him if he's going to make a thread on TL. If he replies with a negative, I'll make a post about this in BW General.



Ahoy /r/Starcraft!

As many of you know, I am over the moon happy that StarCraft: Remastered has released. I grew up playing StarCraft as basically the only thing I did, and now I’m once again BGHing and 1v1ing away! Loads of people are revisiting StarCraft (or even trying for the first time) and, as many reddit posts have noted, the gameplay of the original StarCraft can be a bit daunting.

So, for the next several months, I’m going to be doing a twice weekly show called Let’s Learn Starcraft! The purpose is to help bring someone from “zero to hero,” from someone who knows little to nothing about StarCraft to someone who can enjoy the game as a regular player and watcher of competitive SC:R.

StarCraft is a true challenge, but once you’ve learned enough, the simple act of playing StarCraft feels so good whether you win or lose. I sincerely hope this series can help showcase the joy and beauty of StarCraft

How to Watch
  • Livestream on Twitch, 5-7pm PDT on Tuesdays and Thursdays
  • VODs on YouTube

Topics and format

There are three categories of topics that will be covered and shows may be broken into smaller chunks. For example: Zerg Micro Tuesday with four 20-25 minute videos that each focus on a different core zerg unit micro - Mutalisk, Ling/Lurker, Hydralisk, and Defiler

Strategy

How to think about strategy in StarCraft, common builds / compositions in each matchup etc.
  • What is strategy and how does it tie into execution / mechanics
  • How to practice
  • A thorough review of each matchup - common units, strategies, openings, cheeses, and counter cheeses
  • How to construct a strategy and adjust it over time
  • How to identify weaknesses and strengths in an opening build order
  • How to change plans during crisis management
  • How to scout and what signals to look for
  • A review of tactics
  • How tactical considerations can affect game-wide strategies

Mechanics

How to properly macro / micro / manage your base / manage different unit compositions etc.
  • Small scale unit control (micro)
  • Mid and large scale unit control
  • Worker scouting and management
  • Base management
  • Hotkey setups and tricks
  • Mouse and keyboard control
  • Macro
  • Building placement tricks

Awesome Matches

Let’s watch amazing games of StarCraft (some old, some new!) to see the glory of competitive Brood War! Huge thanks to OGN for providing these replays.
  • Stork vs Fantasy PvT Incruit OSL 2008 Finals
  • Jaedong vs Yellow[ArnC] ZvZ Bacchus OSL 2009 Finals
  • Iloveoov vs Reach PvT Ever OSL 2004 Semifinals
  • Movie vs Shine Ever PvZ OSL 2009 Semifinals
  • Flash vs Fantasy TvT Tving Semifinals
  • Flash vs Shine TvZ Tving Quarterfinals
  • Jangbi vs Mini PvP Tving Quarterfinals
  • And moar!

Any Questions?

Are there any topics you want me to cover? Any question you’d like to ask? Feel free to dump it in this thread. I’ll be back in an hour because I need to drop a friend off at the airport woo!

Finally
"I am very tired of your grammar errors" - Zoler[MB]
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 01 2017 19:32 GMT
#340
Exactly the content the scene needs right now, coming from day9 i also know that the quality will be there. Awesome!
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