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Power Rank - ASL3 Edition

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April 11th, 2017 01:52 GMT
Gigamatch

With ASL3 just around the corner, here's another power rank to help satisfy your cravings! Without further ado, please go ahead and read our own rankings, post your own in the comments below and feel free to discuss to your heart's desire!
 

#1: Flash [image loading]
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Don’t even argue this one, #1 in ranking for March with an overall 77% winrate. Despite his loss to Tyson and Soulkey in the ASL Team Battle, Flash is a machine that learns from his losses. Once he learns how he's lost a particular game, he is able to close the gap in his strategy and evolve his play that much more. With every opposition, he gets stronger. It's going to take everything and then some for anyone to topple Flash from the top.

 

#2: Last [image loading]
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Last’s biggest issue right now is that he's in the shadow of Flash, trading 1st position in the Afreeca monthly rankings with him every month, pinch hitting for team Flash in the ASL Team Battle when Flash couldn’t and still making it to #6 in March despite not playing enough games due to having the mumps. He has an excellent record in all 3 of his matchups. All that he needs to do now is win ASL3 to break out of Flash’s shadow.

 

#3: Bisu
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Bisu has been in a slump for some time now. Only very recently, in fact after the ASL Team Battle, has he started to take practice seriously. He even decided to not participate in SSLC, stating that he was focusing on ASL3 as his reason. The effects have already started to show with over 70% win rate in PvT and him quickly reclaiming his PvZ chops too. We can see that a serious Bisu is a very dangerous Bisu!

 

#4: Sea
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Sea is a man on a mission. He has proven to the world already that he's no longer the offline failure that everyone thought him to be by making the finals of the last ASL over the PvT Monster BeSt. While losing to Flash in his most successful matchup isn’t something to look down on, it is only when he wins an offline tournament that he will be able to shake off any stigma against himself.

 

#5: BeSt
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BeSt is slowly but surely becoming one of the most dangerous players to play against. While he might have had a minor set back in his PvT in favor of improving his PvZ which resulted in him beating Jaedong twice in the last season and beating hero in the Ro8, 3-1, he's more than capable of switching gears and becoming the macro monster terran destroyer. His Ro4 finish last season only showed his weakness when it comes to making deep runs in tournaments, the only thing holding him back from winning.

 

#6: Jaedong
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Jaedong might just be the player who is more comfortable performing inside the booth than the comfort of his own home. He defied all expectations by making it to the Ro4 of the last ASL and took Flash all the way to a game 5 in their semifinals, displaying some excellent mind games in a way that just proves that if Jaedong’s mind could will it, he could find himself victory when no one else thought it to be possible…...Just not at the cost of his wrists.

 

#7: EffOrt
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What makes EffOrt so different from other zergs is his consistent results on stream and especially, having a winning record against Terrans who are not Flash. On top of that, he has placed in the Top 4 in March sponmatches, a level of consistency expected of a former CJ Entus player. However, since his victory over Bisu in the VANT Starleague Finals, he has also been showing the curse of every CJ Entus player which is choking when it matters. It's not going to take a lot from EffOrt to get over this since he has done it before, but it needs to happen sooner rather than later.

 

#8: Rain
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A lot more was expected of Rain than a Ro16 finish last ASL who went on to have a good showing in the ASL Team Battle. While Rain is showing a leap in progress and skill, he still has not had many results as of yet due to a lack of competitions. This will be remedied by the fact that he is one of the 8 players chosen to play in SSLC.

 

#9: Soulkey
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One game, that's all it takes for Soulkey. In a high pressure situation against not only the greatest player in the history of the game, but the player he had never been able to beat in the KeSPA era despite their many encounters, Soulkey may have figured out Flash in that one game and ended up giving hope to a lot of zergs that found the ZvT matchup to be nearly impossible. This coupled by the rest of his showing in the ASL Team Battle makes me believe that we are slowly seeing the rise of Soulkey that we were meant to see had the SC2 switch not happened.

 

#10: by.hero
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Another ASL, another Ro8 finish for hero. Despite being bested by BeSt in ASL2 and dropping out to Rain in the ASL team battle, all very surprising results considering that ZvP is his matchup, hero has since managed to make it to the Top 10 in Sponmatches in March with an average win rate of 60.8%.

 

#11: Free
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Free’s tournament results so far have been lackluster for the quality of games he's been showing on stream. He was one of the players who was doing extremely well against Flash in sponmatches between Feb and March going on 7-8 game streaks against him during that period. Unfortunately for him, Flash had him figured out and quickly began evening out the score. Should he show this level of play this season, he’d be a serious contender for gold.

 

#12: GuemChi
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Another season, another Ro8 finish for GuemChi. Although it remains to be seen if he would have made the Top 4 in ASL2 if his opponent wasn't Flash, GuemChi has proven himself repeatedly in the ASL Team Battle by leading his team to victory. Things are looking up for GuemChi this season!

 

#13: sSak [image loading]
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sSak was completely missing in the last ASL after failing to qualify but has more than made up for it in the ASL Team Battle for Team Bisu, showing that he could carry the team on his solo games when he was counted on. We might be able to see the sSak of old in this season of ASL.

 

#14: Larva
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Larva is the true workhorse of the Afreeca scene, capable of grinding out the most number of games every month especially when practicing for the ASL. Although he did drop out quickly in the last season, he did make up for it by making a Ro8 run in the HoSIC starleague losing to Light in a very close series.

 

#15: Light [image loading]
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Light has always been a TvZ specialist. In fact, he has been considered one of the best TvZ players of all time, unfortunately, at the cost of having a mediocre TvP. It was an all protoss group that did him in in the Ro16 of ASL2. Now in the Ro24 of ASL3, he has to deal with another all protoss group. By just making it through that group, he’d become a serious contender for winning.

 

#16: Movie
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Movie has been having a very gradual resurgence in both skill and popularity over the last year, making the Ro16 last ASL. It remains to be seen if his returning skill will get him further this season, especially with his PvZ being on point these days.

 

#17: Mini
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Mini’s prolific hyper aggressive (early game manner pylons in mineral lines) playstyle is going to cause a lot of trouble for his opponents if they don't know how to deal with him, especially in PvT where even Flash has voted him as “The most troublesome player to play against”. He even managed to get a winning record, 5-3 against him in March. What holds him back right now is his largely untested PvZ.

 

#18: Shuttle [image loading]
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Despite winning ASL1 which lead him to be seeded straight into the Ro16 of ASL2, he quickly dropped out of his group 0-2 even managing to lose to Light in the process. It's hard to see what this season has in store for Shuttle, but being a former champion proves that he's more than capable of bouncing back from failures.

 

#19: Stork
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It might come as a surprise to many to see Stork so low. Even back in KeSPA days when he was rumoured to have focused a lot more on his then girlfriend or playing World of Warcraft, he still managed to make deep runs in tournaments with less practice than usual. That was because he was always being depended on to play his best game. This time around, however, he's not bound anymore to perform. Having stated that he’d rather focus on being a better entertainer than a player gunning for gold, it's unlikely he's going to push himself like his competitors will.

 

#20: Snow
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Snow was a promising prospect on the CJ Entus team in the KeSPA era and continued to show decent results in online/offline tournaments prior to his army enlistment. He has already shown a couple of good games in the preliminaries of the ASL against Mind which show that his skills haven’t dulled by a lot.

 

#21: Shine
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Guemchi After a long stint as the official ASL and GSL observer, Shine has finally made his way into the ASL once more. He showed a great series against Mind in the Busan Qualifiers. It’ll be interesting to see where he goes from here.

 

#22: Mong [image loading]
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Mong has fallen off hard in the last couple of years, with only brief flashes of his prior excellence shown. He has slowly become a rare sight to see in tournaments and in the last ASL, he was only able to beat Hint but fell to Jaedong twice in his group.

 

#23: Jaehoon
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Jaehoon’s position being this low might come as a shock to people who have seen his march results, rising to #2 in ranking, but he did so by avoiding most of the top players and playing the ones he didn’t avoid as little as possible. Unfortunately for him, in ASL, he doesn’t get that kind of luxury. That said, he is the enigma, capable of being bafflingly good at the game if the stars align, or at the very least at recalls.

 

#24: Hyun
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After a fairly successful SCII career that took him overseas most of the time, Hyun’s return to familiar territory in both BW and Korea might be one for him to look forward to. While he wasn’t a very solid player back in the KeSPA era, this might be the time for him to shine in BW

 

#25: GGaemo
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In the short gap between his release from the army and the qualifiers for the ASL, GGaemo has played a record of over 1500 games. It's no wonder that he was able to get through the qualifiers with that kind of sheer hard work and focus going into playing the game for hours on end. It remains to be seen what kind of results that his hard work can produce especially since he's had no prior results in the post-KeSPA era since 2012.

 

#26: Lazy
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If we were still following a Tier system in rating players in the scene, Lazy would be considered a solid B rank protoss who was capable of playing some decent games against better players but not at a level where he can consistently give a decent showing, let alone win games. It also does not help the fact that he's placed in the worst possible group for him in the Ro24

 

#27: Pusan
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This is Pusan’s first offline tournament since his return from military service. Prior to that, he was a mainstay in many major tournaments. However, since the boom of big name returns, it's unlikely that Pusan would really be able to maintain that position especially after not playing for so long as well.

 

#28: PURPOSE
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The New blood amateur in a sea of accomplished superstars, pros and other storied amateurs. Without much to be seen, there's very little to be said about him. In a stacked tournament like this, it remains to be seen if purpose will stick out or fall as quickly as others in his position.

 

Writers: BLinD-RawR
Graphics: v1
Editors: BigFan
Photo Credits: DailyEsports
 
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prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
April 11 2017 02:03 GMT
#2
Comprehensive work! Thanks, folks.

Looking forward to seeing how these guys perform on (Wiki)Camelot
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Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
April 11 2017 02:04 GMT
#3
I see Light has become Stork's doppelganger.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 11 2017 02:06 GMT
#4
Jaedong might just be the player who is more comfortable performing inside the booth than the comfort of his own home.


Yeah seriously. No clue how he does it, but he really does seem to relax and let his hands do all the talking.
kiss kiss fall in love
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50324 Posts
April 11 2017 02:06 GMT
#5
shhh, invisible terran.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 11 2017 02:07 GMT
#6
Stork also proving girlfriends <==> bad StarCraft apparently.
kiss kiss fall in love
JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
April 11 2017 02:07 GMT
#7
#18 Lol Shuttle gained some pounds!

Looks good, I haven't been keeping up with all of them to know where they stand so this is great going into the ASL.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50324 Posts
April 11 2017 02:11 GMT
#8
god damn it.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 11 2017 02:12 GMT
#9
What happened, did you use the wrong picture or something?
kiss kiss fall in love
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
April 11 2017 02:13 GMT
#10
Shuttle looks a little different for ASL3...

I'm loving the fact that SK and Rain are so neck and neck. They've both come out on top in ASL2 and the ATB, so I can't wait to see who's been really working hard. I'd love to see them meet head on in the ro.8 or something!

Almost a little surprised to see Sea at no.4, even if he did make the finals. He is a completely baffling player. He's either one of the most gifted players ever to play the game to the point he doesn't even practice and still does well, or he's been very lucky. I have no idea. I still love him.

Very excited to see how the ASL newcomers like PURPOSE, Lazy and especially Shine (that ZvT vs Mind in the qualifier was something to behold) do.

Very good list!
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
April 11 2017 02:30 GMT
#11

Guemchi After a long stint as the official ASL and GSL observer, Shine has finally made his way into the ASL once more. He showed a great series against Mind in the Busan Qualifiers. It’ll be interesting to see where he goes from here.


There's a random Guemchi in Shine's bio.
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s_k_911
Profile Joined August 2008
China362 Posts
April 11 2017 02:54 GMT
#12
noone can stop flash!

unless soulkey & guemchi will.
apm200 terran play for fun
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 11 2017 03:33 GMT
#13
Imma root for Ssak he seems like the aLive of Brood war rn
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Zera
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania716 Posts
April 11 2017 05:14 GMT
#14
RO16 Shine vs Bisu incoming! (hopefully)

JD fanboy. #FPPS
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
April 11 2017 05:42 GMT
#15
On April 11 2017 14:14 Zera wrote:
RO16 Shine vs Bisu incoming! (hopefully)


Thank god it's not OSL tho..
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-11 06:06:00
April 11 2017 05:52 GMT
#16
That is not a power rank or else Effort would be second :/ Did you see his stats vs Sea or Best? Seriously? Even Last can't match him any-more... But thanks for the "effort" to have made this sexy looking article (get the joke?).

edit : omg where is Mind?
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AllinSiegfried
Profile Joined January 2016
2 Posts
April 11 2017 05:54 GMT
#17
Shuttles listed as terran. I thought he was protoss?
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
April 11 2017 06:12 GMT
#18
On April 11 2017 14:52 iFU.pauline wrote:
That is not a power rank or else Effort would be second :/ Did you see his stats vs Sea or Best? Seriously? Even Last can't match him any-more... But thanks for the "effort" to have made this sexy looking article (get the joke?).

edit : omg where is Mind?

Mind isn't qualified for ASL3
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
April 11 2017 06:42 GMT
#19
bisu is too high and effort is too low
can i get my estro logo back pls
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
April 11 2017 06:59 GMT
#20
Great stuff!

Stork #19
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Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
April 11 2017 07:02 GMT
#21
For those thinking Effort is too low, just look his recent tournament history
BroodWar forever
oEkY
Profile Joined August 2016
Germany649 Posts
April 11 2017 07:03 GMT
#22
Shuttle should get a Zealot instead of the Marine beside his name...

And Bisu and Best should definitly switch their positions imo!

As always i'll cheer for Larva, allthough he might not be able to make it to the Ro16 (because i guess Last/Movie will do so in their group )
Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
April 11 2017 07:04 GMT
#23
On April 11 2017 14:52 iFU.pauline wrote:
omg where is Mind?


Kicked out by Shine in Busan qualifiers I think.
BroodWar forever
Lgnarrow
Profile Joined April 2015
104 Posts
April 11 2017 07:22 GMT
#24
Is Flash satisfied with his rank?
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6627 Posts
April 11 2017 07:44 GMT
#25
soulkey won 1 game against flash in the kespa era,it was a cheap win 9pool vs a weird wall by flash http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=647&part=games&vs=424&league=any&map=any&from_year=2008&from_month=9&from_day=21&to_year=2012&to_month=8&to_day=26&action=Update
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50324 Posts
April 11 2017 08:11 GMT
#26
On April 11 2017 16:44 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
soulkey won 1 game against flash in the kespa era,it was a cheap win 9pool vs a weird wall by flash http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=647&part=games&vs=424&league=any&map=any&from_year=2008&from_month=9&from_day=21&to_year=2012&to_month=8&to_day=26&action=Update


I knew someone was going to mention this but, hybrid league doesn't count.
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
April 11 2017 09:00 GMT
#27
Great write-up! Still, I hope Stork can prove this ranking wrong.
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
April 11 2017 09:08 GMT
#28
On April 11 2017 16:22 Lgnarrow wrote:
Is Flash satisfied with his rank?


THIS!!! hahaha

ask flash agian if he's satisfied with his rank.
then bisu is probably going to say that #3 seems too high for him.
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6627 Posts
April 11 2017 09:12 GMT
#29
On April 11 2017 17:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2017 16:44 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
soulkey won 1 game against flash in the kespa era,it was a cheap win 9pool vs a weird wall by flash http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=647&part=games&vs=424&league=any&map=any&from_year=2008&from_month=9&from_day=21&to_year=2012&to_month=8&to_day=26&action=Update


I knew someone was going to mention this but, hybrid league doesn't count.

so i can safely say the games FlaSh won against Jaedong in that proleague,the only one i remember now was played in groundzero doesnt count ?also this change pretty much the way scores are stated in hype threads :D
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
April 11 2017 21:33 GMT
#30
Bisu third?

Everyone laughed when I said he would be second on the power rank because it was far too high up. But well, there he is.
maru G5L pls
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
April 11 2017 21:37 GMT
#31
On April 11 2017 15:42 aRyuujin wrote:
bisu is too high and effort is too low

Yup. And my boy BeSt should be atleast #2.
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ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
April 11 2017 23:05 GMT
#32
I love effort but he has failed to deliver for a long time (ASL1, ASL2, ATB, even that tournament where he lost to Sky of all people...) Hope Mini does well and shows some good games
MrMischelito
Profile Joined February 2014
347 Posts
April 12 2017 06:15 GMT
#33
wow. nice rank.
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-12 08:58:02
April 12 2017 08:56 GMT
#34
Bad news. Larva get bladder cancer.

But Larva says that it is not serious

Please pray for him.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
April 12 2017 09:32 GMT
#35
On April 12 2017 17:56 K.H.J wrote:
Bad news. Larva get bladder cancer.

But Larva says that it is not serious

Please pray for him.

oh shit...
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10191 Posts
April 12 2017 16:55 GMT
#36
On April 12 2017 17:56 K.H.J wrote:
Bad news. Larva get bladder cancer.

But Larva says that it is not serious

Please pray for him.

:c we should send him something to show our support
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 12 2017 17:58 GMT
#37
On April 13 2017 01:55 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2017 17:56 K.H.J wrote:
Bad news. Larva get bladder cancer.

But Larva says that it is not serious

Please pray for him.

:c we should send him something to show our support

Yeah seriously that sounds awful.
kiss kiss fall in love
Zera
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania716 Posts
April 12 2017 19:38 GMT
#38
hope he recovers quickly!

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ LARVA, TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
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TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
April 12 2017 20:57 GMT
#39
On April 13 2017 01:55 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2017 17:56 K.H.J wrote:
Bad news. Larva get bladder cancer.

But Larva says that it is not serious

Please pray for him.

:c we should send him something to show our support

would be great. Maybe lemmata can help us out?
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
April 12 2017 23:53 GMT
#40
so pumped for this season.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
April 13 2017 09:41 GMT
#41
My first favourite progamer was Bisu, but honestly it seems like he is way too high. I'd rate Best over Bisu.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
Drakorb
Profile Joined March 2013
United Kingdom5 Posts
April 13 2017 10:07 GMT
#42
just not at the cost of his wrists...


What's up with JD's wrists? Have I been out of the loop for something?
CUTtheCBC
Profile Joined December 2016
Canada91 Posts
April 14 2017 09:34 GMT
#43
go mini
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Zera
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania716 Posts
April 14 2017 10:01 GMT
#44
On April 13 2017 19:07 Drakorb wrote:
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just not at the cost of his wrists...


What's up with JD's wrists? Have I been out of the loop for something?

He had them checked and his right wrist is not in good condition, he even stopped playing BW for some time (2 weeks?). He went to therapist to get massages and stuff.
JD fanboy. #FPPS
CuckFapitalism
Profile Joined December 2016
22 Posts
April 14 2017 21:08 GMT
#45
I hope Bisu can live up to the hype you have given him.
joeyjameson
Profile Joined March 2017
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-15 00:32:38
April 15 2017 00:30 GMT
#46
Frustrated to see how low jaedong has fallen. JD would set the tone for micro and you could see how all the Korean pros act as though he his the alpha In televised booth games, jaedong was the post boxer GOAT imo that could completely hole-in-one triple-double (sc equivalent) any top pro from KR on a good day with about 12 muta and that is it, every post 2006 game has been set by JDs controlling the Finest points of metagame. But now vs players like flash we never see the ace match player which I assume he still has inside him but does not display for western or American audience? An intrigue into Jaedongss player psyche is in order but I consider him to be the Michael Jordan of broodwar and not flash so it is too bad we can't see him stomp over players like Ssak best light and these other people who used to be his B list or rubber matches he could beat in any happy hour match back in 06-09. If foreigners could 1v1 Korean pros I WoULd match JD 30 days a month just for practice but he doesn't appear to have any A game card in his pocket and neither does bisu or flash now. These for supposedly being the absolute best in the world back when broodwar had one of the biggest player bases online of any videogame its strange they can't reclaim those tom Brady federer moments in an average publicity tournament like ASL when there is nothing better in the bw scene today. MosT Tl readers from America and other nations would like to see what these guys can bring to a keyboard cause I get frustrated watching supposed professionals half ass in streams and tourneys.. Its time I got me some windows so I can enter the action the current starcraft bw GOAT title is so easily ready for the taking and personally in Korea I wanna see JD stomp out the other Seoul players in s. Korea. The new thing in brood war should be a world cup or a league that mixes Americans and Koreans to see which country is legitimately best in bw and compete for an osl or Maurice podoloff style trophy after. I think both nations have the pllayer base to support item Maybe it'll come in remastered but the original honestly doesbt even need changing the players just should get more focus and realistic
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-15 04:11:36
April 15 2017 04:11 GMT
#47
On April 15 2017 09:30 joeyjameson wrote:
[...]But now vs players like flash we never see the ace match player which I assume he still has inside him but does not display




That is ace match JD skills to me. (game 1)

On April 15 2017 09:30 joeyjameson wrote:
The new thing in brood war should be a world cup or a league that mixes Americans and Koreans to see which country is legitimately best in bw


Korea has always been the best country by far in BW I don't understand what you are asking for?
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-15 04:30:43
April 15 2017 04:30 GMT
#48
The new thing in brood war should be a world cup or a league that mixes Americans and Koreans to see which country is legitimately best in bw

Uh, yes.. this is definitely a contest.

Boo, why is Sea 4th? He was the finalist of the last one...

Power Ranking:
On EffOrt: he has also been showing the curse of every CJ Entus player which is choking when it matters

Who are these CJ Entus players exactly?

Also I don't agree with the assessment of Rain. He's improved a ton and plays smart but his performance in ATB was quite disappointing. I'm not looking at stats but I remember being a bit disappointed, he could have done better imo.

Also, Mini hype!!!
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50324 Posts
April 15 2017 05:52 GMT
#49
its more on the histroy of CJ as a team and its players being fantastic on paper but never actually pulling it off outside of some rare exceptions
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10174 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-15 06:07:20
April 15 2017 06:02 GMT
#50
On April 15 2017 09:30 joeyjameson wrote:
Frustrated to see how low jaedong has fallen...

Can't tell if trolling or legitimately you don't know what you don't know.

There is no country that can compete with Korea's talent in BW. China would be second well before America. Other nations have more consistently successful top players than America, for example Russia, Ukraine, Poland, etc.

As far as Jaedong being Jordan, Jordan didn't lose 3 of 4 finals (or something like that) appearances to some other entity that wouldn't be more "Jordan." I think you're letting your fanaticism cloud your judgment.

Also, please make your posts easier to read x(
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Zera
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania716 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-15 06:04:39
April 15 2017 06:03 GMT
#51
On April 15 2017 09:30 joeyjameson wrote:
league that mixes Americans and Koreans to see which country is legitimately best in bw

Why USA though? The best current BW foreigner players are from Europe, not USA... And no, no one can match Korean ex-pros. Unless his name is Sziky and the opponent is Doctor K

Edit: oh I totally forgot about China. Thanks Jealous.
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joeyjameson
Profile Joined March 2017
37 Posts
April 15 2017 16:44 GMT
#52
Well its difficult to say which country's superior in broodwar yes the Koreans have some good players but they cluster themselves in leagues where they only play each other so whose to know if the USA couldn't put up a better player pool from time to time, its the equivalent of the ball playing keep away but in sc, where American can't really join their lan an things, china Poland etc have some ok players I guess but none really superior to USA talent even USA b iccup ranks. I think JD was the Jordan Of bw as in verifiable most talented
joeyjameson
Profile Joined March 2017
37 Posts
April 15 2017 16:48 GMT
#53
I think USA = Korea in ability but korea more serious than USA in player competing to train each other and helping one another out and organizing cash prize leagues
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
April 15 2017 16:53 GMT
#54
rofl there's not a single player outside of Korea than can compete with even "semi-pro's". It's why Koreans are generally banned from partaking in foreigner (everyone aside from Koreans) events.

You know foreigners (can) play on the same server as the top pros do right?
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sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-15 17:21:38
April 15 2017 17:20 GMT
#55
On April 16 2017 01:44 joeyjameson wrote:
Well its difficult to say which country's superior in broodwar yes the Koreans have some good players but they cluster themselves in leagues where they only play each other so whose to know if the USA couldn't put up a better player pool from time to time


USA sent their best players more than once to Korea to test their skills and everytime they realized they were nowhere close. (no disrespect to these players, took balls to do so). At first wasnt entirely sure if trolling or not but now I can clearly see you just lack knowledge about the bw scene hehe.
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KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1767 Posts
April 15 2017 18:09 GMT
#56
Thanks for these power ranks, they always give a good sense of the competition and a bit more of insight which makes it more exciting. Good stuff!
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10174 Posts
April 15 2017 18:36 GMT
#57
On April 16 2017 01:44 joeyjameson wrote:
Well its difficult to say which country's superior in broodwar

whose to know if the USA couldn't put up a better player pool from time to time

American can't really join their lan an things

china Poland etc have some ok players I guess but none really superior to USA talent even USA b iccup ranks

I think JD was the Jordan Of bw as in verifiable most talented

You couldn't possibly be more incorrect. This is classic jingoism that clouds judgment.

Verifiable? How so?
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Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
April 16 2017 04:16 GMT
#58
Love the power ranks. Thanks for the read.

Super pumped for ASL 3!!!
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
April 20 2017 00:57 GMT
#59
On April 16 2017 02:20 sM.Zik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2017 01:44 joeyjameson wrote:
Well its difficult to say which country's superior in broodwar yes the Koreans have some good players but they cluster themselves in leagues where they only play each other so whose to know if the USA couldn't put up a better player pool from time to time


USA sent their best players more than once to Korea to test their skills and everytime they realized they were nowhere close. (no disrespect to these players, took balls to do so). At first wasnt entirely sure if trolling or not but now I can clearly see you just lack knowledge about the bw scene hehe.


NoNy was rumored to be doing great in estro.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
April 21 2017 03:14 GMT
#60
Free above Stork lol wut? JK I know Free is topping Fish but he keeps losing on TV and looking meh.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
April 21 2017 03:16 GMT
#61
On April 20 2017 09:57 Ethelis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2017 02:20 sM.Zik wrote:
On April 16 2017 01:44 joeyjameson wrote:
Well its difficult to say which country's superior in broodwar yes the Koreans have some good players but they cluster themselves in leagues where they only play each other so whose to know if the USA couldn't put up a better player pool from time to time


USA sent their best players more than once to Korea to test their skills and everytime they realized they were nowhere close. (no disrespect to these players, took balls to do so). At first wasnt entirely sure if trolling or not but now I can clearly see you just lack knowledge about the bw scene hehe.


NoNy was rumored to be doing great in estro.

lol he was great as in being a foreigner who could even be allowed into a lesser team like estro. South Korea has the crown of Brood War until proved otherwise. Since Grrrr's gold, other countries had plenty of chances at WCG and couldn't even hit the throne with a pebble thrown at it.
supportnumbers
Profile Joined July 2017
Canada1 Post
July 05 2017 07:43 GMT
#62
--- Nuked ---
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5489 Posts
July 05 2017 08:30 GMT
#63
ASL4 when?
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50324 Posts
July 05 2017 09:03 GMT
#64
On July 05 2017 17:30 thezanursic wrote:
ASL4 when?


after remaster release
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Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
July 05 2017 13:09 GMT
#65
On April 21 2017 12:16 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2017 09:57 Ethelis wrote:
On April 16 2017 02:20 sM.Zik wrote:
On April 16 2017 01:44 joeyjameson wrote:
Well its difficult to say which country's superior in broodwar yes the Koreans have some good players but they cluster themselves in leagues where they only play each other so whose to know if the USA couldn't put up a better player pool from time to time


USA sent their best players more than once to Korea to test their skills and everytime they realized they were nowhere close. (no disrespect to these players, took balls to do so). At first wasnt entirely sure if trolling or not but now I can clearly see you just lack knowledge about the bw scene hehe.


NoNy was rumored to be doing great in estro.

lol he was great as in being a foreigner who could even be allowed into a lesser team like estro. South Korea has the crown of Brood War until proved otherwise. Since Grrrr's gold, other countries had plenty of chances at WCG and couldn't even hit the throne with a pebble thrown at it.


He made it to the finals in a courage tournament right? That's damn impressive. Ultimately a BW life in Korea wasn't what he wanted, but I think he could have had a consistent place on eSTRO.

On July 05 2017 18:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2017 17:30 thezanursic wrote:
ASL4 when?


after remaster release


Is it confirmed it'll be played on Remaster? Actually it's the same client, an one person can be on OG and the other on HD right? Hopefully it's so absolutely faithful most players switch over.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19257 Posts
July 05 2017 15:00 GMT
#66
On July 05 2017 22:09 Ancestral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2017 12:16 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On April 20 2017 09:57 Ethelis wrote:
On April 16 2017 02:20 sM.Zik wrote:
On April 16 2017 01:44 joeyjameson wrote:
Well its difficult to say which country's superior in broodwar yes the Koreans have some good players but they cluster themselves in leagues where they only play each other so whose to know if the USA couldn't put up a better player pool from time to time


USA sent their best players more than once to Korea to test their skills and everytime they realized they were nowhere close. (no disrespect to these players, took balls to do so). At first wasnt entirely sure if trolling or not but now I can clearly see you just lack knowledge about the bw scene hehe.


NoNy was rumored to be doing great in estro.

lol he was great as in being a foreigner who could even be allowed into a lesser team like estro. South Korea has the crown of Brood War until proved otherwise. Since Grrrr's gold, other countries had plenty of chances at WCG and couldn't even hit the throne with a pebble thrown at it.


He made it to the finals in a courage tournament right? That's damn impressive. Ultimately a BW life in Korea wasn't what he wanted, but I think he could have had a consistent place on eSTRO.

Show nested quote +
On July 05 2017 18:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On July 05 2017 17:30 thezanursic wrote:
ASL4 when?


after remaster release


Is it confirmed it'll be played on Remaster? Actually it's the same client, an one person can be on OG and the other on HD right? Hopefully it's so absolutely faithful most players switch over.

It will be on the most current patch. Players can still play on non-HD but I am sure the observer will have HD on.
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
July 05 2017 18:30 GMT
#67
Somebody make Last's Liquipedia page. It doesn't say anything about him.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 05 2017 18:52 GMT
#68
On July 06 2017 03:30 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Somebody make Last's Liquipedia page. It doesn't say anything about him.

Sounds like you're volunteering to me ^^
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