On January 16 2017 19:37 LRM)TechnicS wrote: Might be a coincidence but LOL at the stream bar on the right, only protosses streaming as all terrans and zergs are probably occupied with Flash/Jaedong secret practice hours:
From these Last is currently obsing a protoss' stream.
Seems like a coincidence that nobody else is streaming, but I don't think it's at all unlikely that Effort/ZerO are practicing vs Flash right now, and Last is practicing vs Jaedong right now
On January 16 2017 17:55 Antisocialmunky wrote: There's also another factor that skewed perception of their dominance. Flash and Jaedong were very frequently carrying their teams in proleague while winning the individual leagues. SKT1 and Khan had more even rosters of very good players but you would always hear about how Flash and Jaedong went out twice every single match to child labor their teams to victory.
KT Rolster was nicknamed KT FlaSh back then and Hwaseong OZ was Jaedong OZ as well. KT didn't have enough consistency with Hoejja, Action, Stats, ForGG, etc back then with their only really "consistent" player being Violet (Rest in Peace). OZ had slightly better players with Hiya and Killer but only Killer was ever "consistent" too after taking to his mentor.
Killer consistent? LOL The only time Killer was consistent was when the KeSPA era was over and he reigned the amateur scene for a few months...
Hyped for this! Wish Jaedong had another 6 month of practice, but maybe he gets back into it really quick. It's not like any of them did anything else for the last 6+ years than playing computer anyway =)
On January 16 2017 17:55 Antisocialmunky wrote: There's also another factor that skewed perception of their dominance. Flash and Jaedong were very frequently carrying their teams in proleague while winning the individual leagues. SKT1 and Khan had more even rosters of very good players but you would always hear about how Flash and Jaedong went out twice every single match to child labor their teams to victory.
KT Rolster was nicknamed KT FlaSh back then and Hwaseong OZ was Jaedong OZ as well. KT didn't have enough consistency with Hoejja, Action, Stats, ForGG, etc back then with their only really "consistent" player being Violet (Rest in Peace). OZ had slightly better players with Hiya and Killer but only Killer was ever "consistent" too after taking to his mentor.
Yeah, compare that to Samsung Khan with FBH/Jangbi/Stork and SKT1 with Best/Fantasy/Bisu(except that one season where everyone slumped and Hyuk led the normally terribad SKT1 Zergs to carry the entire team lul).
On January 16 2017 19:14 LRM)TechnicS wrote: Fun fact: Out of the 45 games played between the two, Flash goes for 14cc (cc first) 14 games (1 for every 3 games played) and wins 9 of them. (TLPD recorded)
So 40% of Flash wins vs Jaedong are 14cc games.
From his 5 wins in these 14 games Jaedong won 3 out of 5 by playing standard with bo disadvantage- 12h,12pool while only 1 with 9pool speed and only 1 with 3hatch before pool.
Do you have an overview of openings for all Flash vs Jaedong games by any chance? Would be interesting to see their overall build order choices.
On January 16 2017 19:14 LRM)TechnicS wrote: Fun fact: Out of the 45 games played between the two, Flash goes for 14cc (cc first) 14 games (1 for every 3 games played) and wins 9 of them. (TLPD recorded)
So 40% of Flash wins vs Jaedong are 14cc games.
From his 5 wins in these 14 games Jaedong won 3 out of 5 by playing standard with bo disadvantage- 12h,12pool while only 1 with 9pool speed and only 1 with 3hatch before pool.
Do you have an overview of openings for all Flash vs Jaedong games by any chance? Would be interesting to see their overall build order choices.
No but another thing I recall is that Jaedong did way more 4pools and 7pools than I anticipated. For instance I think Flash made no more than 8games (maybe 6?) 8rax or earlier first while Jaedong did the very least in 3 games 4pool and 1 game 7pool from what I recall.
What was going on in his head? I understand 9pooling or something but 4pool against terran? Did Jaedong think Flash underpracticed his single marine + scvs micro vs 6 lings lol? Perhaps I should play it a while to check what's up.
On January 16 2017 19:14 LRM)TechnicS wrote: Fun fact: Out of the 45 games played between the two, Flash goes for 14cc (cc first) 14 games (1 for every 3 games played) and wins 9 of them. (TLPD recorded)
So 40% of Flash wins vs Jaedong are 14cc games.
From his 5 wins in these 14 games Jaedong won 3 out of 5 by playing standard with bo disadvantage- 12h,12pool while only 1 with 9pool speed and only 1 with 3hatch before pool.
Do you have an overview of openings for all Flash vs Jaedong games by any chance? Would be interesting to see their overall build order choices.
No but another thing I recall is that Jaedong did way more 4pools and 7pools than I anticipated. For instance I think Flash made no more than 8games (maybe 6?) 8rax or earlier first while Jaedong did the very least in 3 games 4pool and 1 game 7pool from what I recall.
What was going on in his head? I understand 9pooling or something but 4pool against terran? Did Jaedong think Flash underpracticed his single marine + scvs micro vs 6 lings lol? Perhaps I should play it a while to check what's up.
The 4pools weren't until very late though.
Q: How would it feel if Jaedong was to 4 or 5 pool against you? Flash: It never happened to me. However, a lot of our games were wrapped up by mutalisks. If it were to happen to me, the thought of “you’ve got me” would pop up, I guess. It would be mentally crippling in a series. Jaedong: When you lose like that, it does put you off your footing, so to speak.
On January 16 2017 19:14 LRM)TechnicS wrote: Fun fact: Out of the 45 games played between the two, Flash goes for 14cc (cc first) 14 games (1 for every 3 games played) and wins 9 of them. (TLPD recorded)
So 40% of Flash wins vs Jaedong are 14cc games.
From his 5 wins in these 14 games Jaedong won 3 out of 5 by playing standard with bo disadvantage- 12h,12pool while only 1 with 9pool speed and only 1 with 3hatch before pool.
Do you have an overview of openings for all Flash vs Jaedong games by any chance? Would be interesting to see their overall build order choices.
No but another thing I recall is that Jaedong did way more 4pools and 7pools than I anticipated. For instance I think Flash made no more than 8games (maybe 6?) 8rax or earlier first while Jaedong did the very least in 3 games 4pool and 1 game 7pool from what I recall.
What was going on in his head? I understand 9pooling or something but 4pool against terran? Did Jaedong think Flash underpracticed his single marine + scvs micro vs 6 lings lol? Perhaps I should play it a while to check what's up.
Jaedong has a pretty good record with 4 pool against terran though. Remember his game against fantasy where he beat the 1 fax wall off around the bunker with 4 pool? That game was so incredible. When he surrounded the bunker, holy shit.
The funny thing is, the game after he went for 9 Pool and forced his way through a wall off. xD You could feel Jaedong's pressure through the screen as if he forced his zergling through himself by giving them extra power.
On January 16 2017 23:34 StylishVODs wrote: Hyped for this! Wish Jaedong had another 6 month of practice, but maybe he gets back into it really quick. It's not like any of them did anything else for the last 6+ years than playing computer anyway =)
I have not watched enough sc to judge, but is jaedong really in form (as tastosis hyped it in the last games) and should we expect anything but a total flash domination? (maybe with jaedongs killer instinct as a shimmer of hope). I've always rooted for jd during bw (as a bw zerg), but I don't dare expect an even game.
As I have a less race biased view now I hope for jd to do good, but not because I want him (as a zerg) to win, but to be able to enjoy truly top class, even and nail-biting sc no matter who wins
On January 16 2017 23:34 StylishVODs wrote: Hyped for this! Wish Jaedong had another 6 month of practice, but maybe he gets back into it really quick. It's not like any of them did anything else for the last 6+ years than playing computer anyway =)
I have not watched enough sc to judge, but is jaedong really in form (as tastosis hyped it in the last games) and should we expect anything but a total flash domination? (maybe with jaedongs killer instinct as a shimmer of hope). I've always rooted for jd during bw (as a bw zerg), but I don't dare expect an even game.
As I have a less race biased view now I hope for jd to do good, but not because I want him (as a zerg) to win, but to be able to enjoy truly top class, even and nail-biting sc no matter who wins
Flash is the best player by far right now.
Jaedong is doing very well but far from his prime, especially in Z v T. Most well versed people would predict Flash.
what a great fuckin article. really takes you back through the feels, what a trip. I'm glad to have experienced their stories, to have witness their greatness. on such a beautiful canvas. what a game. what a time to be alive. we live in the future.
On January 16 2017 19:14 LRM)TechnicS wrote: Fun fact: Out of the 45 games played between the two, Flash goes for 14cc (cc first) 14 games (1 for every 3 games played) and wins 9 of them. (TLPD recorded)
So 40% of Flash wins vs Jaedong are 14cc games.
From his 5 wins in these 14 games Jaedong won 3 out of 5 by playing standard with bo disadvantage- 12h,12pool while only 1 with 9pool speed and only 1 with 3hatch before pool.
Do you have an overview of openings for all Flash vs Jaedong games by any chance? Would be interesting to see their overall build order choices.
No but another thing I recall is that Jaedong did way more 4pools and 7pools than I anticipated. For instance I think Flash made no more than 8games (maybe 6?) 8rax or earlier first while Jaedong did the very least in 3 games 4pool and 1 game 7pool from what I recall.
What was going on in his head? I understand 9pooling or something but 4pool against terran? Did Jaedong think Flash underpracticed his single marine + scvs micro vs 6 lings lol? Perhaps I should play it a while to check what's up.
4 pool shows depleted creativity and its a desperate move in my oppinion, he did it at the time when he started to go into the big slump. I remember he did 2x 4 pool fails in a row vs fantasy at that time. By the way of logic jaedong should have no chance vs flash, since he always do non stadart stuff that shouldnt work vs solid player like Flash (It should be something like in TLS julia busting everybody, but when come to solid Dragon macro play, nothing of his tricks work) so far this tournament is proving himself to be one of may upsets so anything is possible. Good thing is that there cant be a dissapointment if we see a good set of games, both are legendary players and all fans wish them to advance.
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