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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3175 Posts
September 30 2016 13:15 GMT
#21
On September 30 2016 21:07 Orite wrote:
In Nal_rA's words:

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Is this new or old?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51644 Posts
September 30 2016 13:32 GMT
#22
oldboy
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
September 30 2016 13:35 GMT
#23
if you can breed new talent to compete on par with the current afreeca pros, then yes its a possibility
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
September 30 2016 14:02 GMT
#24
I think the afreeca scene and amateur starleagues will continue for a while, I doubt that there'll be any professional bw teams or proleague.
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Lazix
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia378 Posts
September 30 2016 14:08 GMT
#25
I think there will be a resurgence of some kind especially if the HD patch/remake is true. But the cynic in me thinks this will be Broodwar's last gasp for air. What the game really needs is a steady stream of fresh blood or things are going to get stale real quick and the next generation seems to be fixated on games like League and Overwatch.

In any case, if this is Broodwar's last hurrah in the spotlight, it was quite a run wasn't it?
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 30 2016 14:11 GMT
#26
On September 30 2016 22:35 amazingxkcd wrote:
if you can breed new talent to compete on par with the current afreeca pros, then yes its a possibility

I asked about this a lot, but can anybody with enough knowledge talk a bit about the fish server?
How many players/accounts play on it total? How many are online at peak times, etc.
IIRC the last ASL had like 500 people trying to qualify for it, that's pretty huge imo.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
September 30 2016 14:32 GMT
#27
On September 30 2016 23:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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On September 30 2016 22:35 amazingxkcd wrote:
if you can breed new talent to compete on par with the current afreeca pros, then yes its a possibility

I asked about this a lot, but can anybody with enough knowledge talk a bit about the fish server?
How many players/accounts play on it total? How many are online at peak times, etc.
IIRC the last ASL had like 500 people trying to qualify for it, that's pretty huge imo.


but how many of those players are actually getting trained by pros or by coaches? There's no team league in which rookies and amateurs can foster themselves in. Thats the main issue that is a roadblock for BW resurgence
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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
September 30 2016 14:51 GMT
#28
On September 30 2016 16:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
its not as bad today as it was a couple of years ago I'll tell you that, I mean we have proper offline tournaments and high profile players, but even then the way it is now a lot of stars have to align for a true revival to happen.

Wasn't ASL the only big offline tournement this year?
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51644 Posts
September 30 2016 14:57 GMT
#29
On September 30 2016 23:51 sabas123 wrote:
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On September 30 2016 16:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
its not as bad today as it was a couple of years ago I'll tell you that, I mean we have proper offline tournaments and high profile players, but even then the way it is now a lot of stars have to align for a true revival to happen.

Wasn't ASL the only big offline tournement this year?


we have one more season in December.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 30 2016 15:03 GMT
#30
On September 30 2016 23:32 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2016 23:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 30 2016 22:35 amazingxkcd wrote:
if you can breed new talent to compete on par with the current afreeca pros, then yes its a possibility

I asked about this a lot, but can anybody with enough knowledge talk a bit about the fish server?
How many players/accounts play on it total? How many are online at peak times, etc.
IIRC the last ASL had like 500 people trying to qualify for it, that's pretty huge imo.


but how many of those players are actually getting trained by pros or by coaches? There's no team league in which rookies and amateurs can foster themselves in. Thats the main issue that is a roadblock for BW resurgence

Well yes sure i get that. But having 500 people who are motivated to try to qualify is pretty nice. If they see that there is actually something to train for that might be good enough atm.
Fish server could be good enough to get somewhat competitive? Maybe? At least if some ex pros are willing to "coach" them a bit or play mass games, etc
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nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-30 15:09:39
September 30 2016 15:08 GMT
#31
The longer the Afreeca era has gone on, the more I think top competitive Broodwar will just be the same pros we watched during the kespa age, with new blood added only from pros retiring from sc2. I really think it can't be overstated how much better players got in the kespa environment than they can get, even practicing very hard, playing on Afreeca. Barring some miracle, my feeling is that the streamer bubble will burst and many of the best players will move on to the next phase of their lives. Of course, there will still be less skilled players who rise to the top, so I do think some form of competition will continue, but without the star draw BW currently has. That said, we've already seen that BW can survive an event like this, so it might not be so bad!
HerbMon
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
September 30 2016 16:16 GMT
#32
Yes we can expect.
How we will win in the period ahead.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19394 Posts
September 30 2016 16:23 GMT
#33
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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-30 17:01:24
September 30 2016 16:57 GMT
#34
On September 30 2016 17:24 abuse wrote:

BW is getting patched up to lessen the pain though


LESSEN THE PAIN!!!??? You want trigger my wrath with saying that?

I mean, its not like many old fans would even want patch. How its supposed to "lessen the pain"?
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-01 05:07:29
October 01 2016 05:05 GMT
#35
for bw to get really popular in the west gaming scene, we need afreeca numbers in twitch if that happens then a revival is possible, the west market is getting huge with league, and if sponsors in korea and the rest of the world see good numbers we may have a new bw proleague or at least OSL.
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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4251 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-01 08:31:41
October 01 2016 08:31 GMT
#36
On September 30 2016 17:04 ZiggyPG wrote:
BW is now the 4th most popular game in PCBangs. Is that any indication that people might be shifting their attention back to SC1?

I don't think that's anythingnew.

(dates chosen somewhat random)

2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20150314202351/http://gametrics.com/
2014: https://web.archive.org/web/20140208050458/http://www.gametrics.com/
2013: https://web.archive.org/web/20130531083639/http://gametrics.com/
2012: https://web.archive.org/web/20120411112140/http://www.gametrics.com/
2011: https://web.archive.org/web/20110303230948/http://www.gametrics.com/
2010: https://web.archive.org/web/20100306025059/http://gametrics.com/
2009: https://web.archive.org/web/20090216222121/http://gametrics.com/
2008: https://web.archive.org/web/20080423045537/http://www.gametrics.com/
2007: https://web.archive.org/web/20070401080054/http://www.gametrics.com/

From what I could gather Brood War has been top 5, hovering anywhere been 3-8% since 2007.

I think a full resurgence is impossible but I think we can have a good scene. As much as we point to stream numbers and pc bang numbers, ultimately there's not really enough tournament support. Hopefully if HD Starcraft happens, Blizzard will start supporting more events, or at the very least, the hype will get these organizers will open up their wallets.
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HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1079 Posts
October 01 2016 10:17 GMT
#37
The Afreeca era is good. The pros (popular ones) probably earn more than what they would have earned. However in order for scbw to survive in the long run there should be more offline tournaments/progaming team so that the younger generation would have a way of getting into BW..

Quite difficult imo but we'll see...
BW forever!
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
October 01 2016 10:32 GMT
#38
meh, having the western scene grow would be good but it's not like Korean BW needed it last time to do well. the scene right now is good and will grow a bit more, the question is whether or not new blood will enter and young kids will take up the helm once bisu and flash and jaedong are truly done
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-01 11:23:32
October 01 2016 11:23 GMT
#39
On October 01 2016 19:17 HaFnium wrote:
However in order for scbw to survive in the long run there should be more offline tournaments/progaming team so that the younger generation would have a way of getting into BW..


Without true PL its all just a wishfull thinking. With amatour tournaments only we can expect progresive fall of BW into obscurity - becouse of no new blood, becouse of decreasing skill, becouse of old PGs leaving gaming.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Nazara
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
United Kingdom235 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-01 11:39:03
October 01 2016 11:37 GMT
#40
To me, BW is not just a game, it's a sport. Just like football - I don't have to play it to enjoy watching it. I can sit on my couch, drinking Carling, watching the game, and I can do that with BW - more then that, I can go to YT or watch a stream any time I like.
Football isn't only popular because its a good game. I hate playing football myself, I was never any good and didn't want to improve. Football is popular because it's everywhere - you learn it at primary and high school, involuntarily. Because its a sport you grew up with, you go on and watch it in the pub, when you are out with your mates, or with your dad or son.
A lot of the popularity has to be attributed to the game, of course, but a lot of it has to do with football just "being there". The same way in US they have their football/rugby, and EU has soccer/football. Different sports being popular, for no apparent reasons.

I say lets wait another 5-15 years, for our kids to grow up a bit more, and introduce them to BW. Get them to play the game with their friends. Explain the game to them, coach them, watch a high level game from your favourite player in his prime. Make BW immortal but branding it not an eSport, but a Sport, and pass it to new generation.

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