I cant believe I have to write this, I feel like a school teacher, but anyways.
WHEN YOU USE THE TL.net TRACKER, IT IS YOUR DUTY TO SEED PAST COMPLETION. IF YOU TURN OFF YOUR UPLOAD AS ONE OF THE FIRST COMPLETIONS, YOU HURT EVERYBODY ELSE.
It is this crap that makes people stop uploading games. This is a private tracker, not some annonymous site like the Pirate Bay. In the upcoming season, there will be 2x the games than before. If you want to get all of them, you MUST help seed to the original uploaders are free to start new VODs. If you do not seed, the whole system falls apart.
Good thing you had this thread - because one of the files were mis-named in the race wars pack my seeding had stopped since I renamed it ;p (hint)
A lot of people probably stopped seeding this particular file involuntarily because of this. (the part beyond the .avi is _neo_ btw, on the nada vs jaedong file..)
On March 31 2007 17:42 Wasabi wrote: Why not implement some strict torrenting rules like many private trackers? Like when a leecher takes out the seed right after the downloads, he gets IP banned, or based on his upload:download ratio.
i guess you'd like to think that people would have the decency to do this without being forced.
but it may come down to that, if people don't feel apart of the community enough to seed then they sure as hell don't deserve to reap the rewards from our uploaders.
EDIT: and i consider anything less than 1:1 ratio an insult
On March 31 2007 17:39 QuietIdiot wrote: o shit...... even if its only a few selected files?
Why should it make a difference if you download 10% of a torrent's files or all of them? Courtesy demands that you seed on. Ideally everyone would seed 1:1 (even though in reality this doesn't work, because there are always people with better con who seed faster, etc).
That's probably one of the problems too: community.
I've seen TL.net torrent links posted in playsc.com forums before, so it could be that the first completions were from users outside of TL, or I guess even TL users who don't really take part in the "community" as you say.
It doesn't seem that big of a deal, I just torrent while I sleep and it seeds and stuff, I leave files up when I start new torrents to seed more. I don't always seed the full file back though. I'll start .
On March 31 2007 17:46 FrozenArbiter wrote: Good thing you had this thread - because one of the files were mis-named in the race wars pack my seeding had stopped since I renamed it ;p (hint)
A lot of people probably stopped seeding this particular file involuntarily because of this. (the part beyond the .avi is _neo_ btw, on the nada vs jaedong file..)
Just click the damn file and choose your preferred player to open it (open with). No renaming and seeding abortion needed.
Torrent ethics: If you're an uploader, complete the upload in one go and don't leave people hanging. If you're an early leacher, stay and seed quite a bit more than 1:1 ratio. Limit number of upload connections if you have a slow line. It's just annoying with twats seeding a whopping 1kb/s.
On March 31 2007 17:39 QuietIdiot wrote: o shit...... even if its only a few selected files?
Why should it make a difference if you download 10% of a torrent's files or all of them? Courtesy demands that you seed on. Ideally everyone would seed 1:1 (even though in reality this doesn't work, because there are always people with better con who seed faster, etc).
didn't really know it affected it much. My computer really sucks at keeping multiple programs at once, causing a lot of lag on it. Ugh, I guess I'll just download off sc2 then, don't want to cause any pissed-off rampages :O
O and if anyone wondered about that Nal_rock vs july vod on 815 nearly a year ago, yeah, that was probably me
What I would suggest you guys do is leave it overnight and when it's finished and during the day etc, (or anytime when you're not using the net) you can seed the files.
With anime I used to leech at first but now I make sure I have a seed ratio of ~4.0
if you need to rename a file extension to make it play you can just make a copy of the file and rename the copy, while leaving the original and seeded file intact
On March 31 2007 17:39 QuietIdiot wrote: o shit...... even if its only a few selected files?
Why should it make a difference if you download 10% of a torrent's files or all of them? Courtesy demands that you seed on. Ideally everyone would seed 1:1 (even though in reality this doesn't work, because there are always people with better con who seed faster, etc).
didn't really know it affected it much. My computer really sucks at keeping multiple programs at once, causing a lot of lag on it. Ugh, I guess I'll just download off sc2 then, don't want to cause any pissed-off rampages :O
O and if anyone wondered about that Nal_rock vs july vod on 815 nearly a year ago, yeah, that was probably me
On March 31 2007 17:39 QuietIdiot wrote: o shit...... even if its only a few selected files?
Why should it make a difference if you download 10% of a torrent's files or all of them? Courtesy demands that you seed on. Ideally everyone would seed 1:1 (even though in reality this doesn't work, because there are always people with better con who seed faster, etc).
didn't really know it affected it much. My computer really sucks at keeping multiple programs at once, causing a lot of lag on it. Ugh, I guess I'll just download off sc2 then, don't want to cause any pissed-off rampages :O
O and if anyone wondered about that Nal_rock vs july vod on 815 nearly a year ago, yeah, that was probably me
BASTARD
Seriously why bring up that specific occasion? :p
1.) I have an extremely good memory. 2.) FA made a thread about it and everyone was like yeah wtf who did this shit and Live2Win is O sorry guys my fault. And then I realized, wait a minute, didn't I close mine just a few seconds ago? -_________________-/
It's kind of hard to get a really good share ratio for SC vods compared to animes, but I try to upload at least 1.2 times the download. Some files like KPGA 3rd Tour All-Star has 0 peers so it's impossible to give back My current download:upload ratio is 1:1.202 though
Since I have my own laptop now, I seed whenever I can leave my laptop on and I'm not playing games.
hm the only times I pause the upload during intial seeding is 1) I need to restart 2) I need to use the internet with fast load times b/c I'm doing work that's imminently due (rare) 3) I'm playing BW, and b/c my comp is a POS, having programs open lags it madly
On March 31 2007 18:19 KizZBG wrote: I get 250kb/s on a good day, upload speed is about 25 kb/s though and makes my in internet really slow so I only upload when I'm not using the PC.
if you use utorrent i know you can cap your upload at whatever speed doesn't affect your internet, IE 10 or 15 kbs or whatever works for you
QI, just limit the upload a bit, you don't need to seed at full speed
Upload wise my line maxes out at 48 kb/s (stupid A-DSL) and I have my torrent upload capped at 40 kb/s, so I can browse properly, etc and when I play on Bnet I cap the upload at 25 kb/s
On March 31 2007 17:46 FrozenArbiter wrote: Good thing you had this thread - because one of the files were mis-named in the race wars pack my seeding had stopped since I renamed it ;p (hint)
A lot of people probably stopped seeding this particular file involuntarily because of this. (the part beyond the .avi is _neo_ btw, on the nada vs jaedong file..)
Yes, I also included a text file stating that the file appered to be not complete, but could be played with two players. There was no need to rename it. Clubbox sometimes does that with certain files.
On March 31 2007 17:42 Wasabi wrote: Why not implement some strict torrenting rules like many private trackers? Like when a leecher takes out the seed right after the downloads, he gets IP banned, or based on his upload:download ratio.
It is always my hope that people would do it out of respect for the people who initiate. We shouldnt have to have these rules if everyone just has some respect.
On March 31 2007 17:39 QuietIdiot wrote: o shit...... even if its only a few selected files?
Why should it make a difference if you download 10% of a torrent's files or all of them? Courtesy demands that you seed on. Ideally everyone would seed 1:1 (even though in reality this doesn't work, because there are always people with better con who seed faster, etc).
didn't really know it affected it much. My computer really sucks at keeping multiple programs at once, causing a lot of lag on it. Ugh, I guess I'll just download off sc2 then, don't want to cause any pissed-off rampages :O
O and if anyone wondered about that Nal_rock vs july vod on 815 nearly a year ago, yeah, that was probably me
Download from wherever you want. It is pretty simple just to leave something seeding overnight though.
On March 31 2007 18:00 Luhh wrote: Just click the damn file and choose your preferred player to open it (open with). No renaming and seeding abortion needed.
Torrent ethics: If you're an uploader, complete the upload in one go and don't leave people hanging. If you're an early leacher, stay and seed quite a bit more than 1:1 ratio. Limit number of upload connections if you have a slow line. It's just annoying with twats seeding a whopping 1kb/s.
Should be common sense.
I agree.
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This isn't like a huge crisis or anything. It is simply a heads up for people who may not be aware of how their actions effect others. When Haji puts up a 10 GB file, it would be nice if the first three completions didnt simply turn it off. It is a lot of work to put it together and seed it, and not helping to seed is just disrespectful. Hopefully people are a little more aware after this.
And yes, I understand it may not be someone on this board, but if everyone here is going to do it, it will go a long ways in helping prevent problems.
Next season is starting real soon and next week I'm planning on getting adding an additional 250GB hard drive, I'm really running out of space on my E: drive :p
Thank god you made this thread mani. I go ape shit bananas when i put something up see 22 completed and 2 seeding including me . I dunno bout you guys but my bandwidth goes to shit when i up/download so even if you dedicated like 30-40kb its greatly appreciated
On March 31 2007 18:41 oddeye wrote: I'd upload but problem is that I have an upload limit and it is so easy to break it. I still upload a bit but only during I dl.
yea that's totally understandable. It'd suck if you hit the limit and you really need to use the internet for research or smth.
On March 31 2007 18:50 GrandInquisitor wrote: I've never downloaded a torrent from TL and yet I feel the strange need to profusely apologize in this topic anyway.
manifesto i dont know if anyone said this before but in most european countries uploading is illegal where downloading is not so if they close it i can imagine it on that accoutn -.- incase naz ever gets caught by the FBI and he cant give out the info of the closers -.-
On March 31 2007 19:26 Kaolla wrote: manifesto i dont know if anyone said this before but in most european countries uploading is illegal where downloading is not so if they close it i can imagine it on that accoutn -.- incase naz ever gets caught by the FBI and he cant give out the info of the closers -.-
I highly doubt the FBI is going to be investigating the transfer of starcraft vods. The only entities who might care would be ogn/mbc/kespa and they all have the stated goal of globalizing esports
Do what I do guys. Turn on the BT right before you sleep. If it's done when I'm sleeping, cool I uploaded a crapload. If it's not done yet, I turn it off cause my computer isn't that fast so I don't want BT lagging my comp the whole day. When bedtime comes again I just turn it on again and it should complete by then.
I really hoped that this wouldn't be a problem. I always want a strong loyal TL community. If people start being dicks and become leechers, this might end up making TL's wonderful torrent system into a private club.
I leave the laptop on all night, and BT is continually running. But it irritates me that people would just take and not help give back. We are a community... not a wound for leeches.
I rarely download the entire contents of a torrent. I continue to seed much after 1:1, though you won't download shit from me after the 2 or 3 files that I selected for dl myself ;p
These topics are good as a reminder. I'm confident that our community cares about the tracker, which is why it's been so successful today. Every now and then a reminder is needed, but strict rules shouldn't be necessary.
I personally feel a great sense of pride when i see a 1:5+ ratio. I think all of us should strive to help out the community as much as we can. Even if you have a slow upload speed, just leave it on during the night or whenever you're not using the computer. I usually only start a download when i know i will be able to seed for a while after the download finishes. Think about how you feel when you see a great torrent with a few seeds and no peers.
On March 31 2007 18:25 Carnac wrote: QI, just limit the upload a bit, you don't need to seed at full speed
Upload wise my line maxes out at 48 kb/s (stupid A-DSL) and I have my torrent upload capped at 40 kb/s, so I can browse properly, etc and when I play on Bnet I cap the upload at 25 kb/s
Ugh yeah I usually have over 1 ratio after my download finishes because my connection is so strong. And then I delete the files after I watch them so I can't upload anymore. Also I can only upload 5 GB a day so I have to be careful to close the torrents after they finish otherwise they'll quickly upload over 5 GB
IMO if you are actuallly keeping the files afer you watch them once, you should keep seeding. I woulld keep seeding but I delete them ASAP cuz my HD is small. But it would be a nicer tracker overall if we could get all the torrents to have at least a few seeders. Well you guys odn't have to but I'm just saying it'd be nice
On March 31 2007 17:39 QuietIdiot wrote: o shit...... even if its only a few selected files?
Why should it make a difference if you download 10% of a torrent's files or all of them? Courtesy demands that you seed on. Ideally everyone would seed 1:1 (even though in reality this doesn't work, because there are always people with better con who seed faster, etc).
didn't really know it affected it much. My computer really sucks at keeping multiple programs at once, causing a lot of lag on it. Ugh, I guess I'll just download off sc2 then, don't want to cause any pissed-off rampages :O
O and if anyone wondered about that Nal_rock vs july vod on 815 nearly a year ago, yeah, that was probably me
BASTARD
Seriously why bring up that specific occasion? :p
1.) I have an extremely good memory. 2.) FA made a thread about it and everyone was like yeah wtf who did this shit and Live2Win is O sorry guys my fault. And then I realized, wait a minute, didn't I close mine just a few seconds ago? -_________________-/
On March 31 2007 17:39 QuietIdiot wrote: o shit...... even if its only a few selected files?
Why should it make a difference if you download 10% of a torrent's files or all of them? Courtesy demands that you seed on. Ideally everyone would seed 1:1 (even though in reality this doesn't work, because there are always people with better con who seed faster, etc).
didn't really know it affected it much. My computer really sucks at keeping multiple programs at once, causing a lot of lag on it. Ugh, I guess I'll just download off sc2 then, don't want to cause any pissed-off rampages :O
O and if anyone wondered about that Nal_rock vs july vod on 815 nearly a year ago, yeah, that was probably me
BASTARD
Seriously why bring up that specific occasion? :p
1.) I have an extremely good memory. 2.) FA made a thread about it and everyone was like yeah wtf who did this shit and Live2Win is O sorry guys my fault. And then I realized, wait a minute, didn't I close mine just a few seconds ago? -_________________-/
How can you not know when it was written in the first post? If you download, make sure you seed until there are plenty of seeders and the uploader can move on to the next set of games. None of this applies obviously if there are already 20 seeders. If the first completions disappear though, the uploader is left holding the bag.
On April 01 2007 00:37 Manifesto7 wrote: How can you not know when it was written in the first post? If you download, make sure you seed until there are plenty of seeders and the uploader can move on to the next set of games. None of this applies obviously if there are already 20 seeders. If the first completions disappear though, the uploader is left holding the bag.
My fault for not reading better. I understand what you're saying.
I have a lot of upload capacity but for some reason it's not being used, and I don't know why
For my big MSL torrent there are 100 leechers and yet I only upload at 10-20 kb/s when I have the capacity to upload 3 Mb/s without it fucking too much with my other computer activities.
And I have set upload speed to unlimited so that's not the problem.
On April 01 2007 02:27 FunFluffyBunny wrote: I have a lot of upload capacity but for some reason it's not being used, and I don't know why
For my big MSL torrent there are 100 leechers and yet I only upload at 10-20 kb/s when I have the capacity to upload 3 Mb/s without it fucking too much with my other computer activities.
And I have set upload speed to unlimited so that's not the problem.
Most likely cause your internet connection is being throttled, this means that you can't upload in high speeds outside of your town, country or region. It's common in sweden with certain high speed connections.
On April 01 2007 02:27 FunFluffyBunny wrote: I have a lot of upload capacity but for some reason it's not being used, and I don't know why
For my big MSL torrent there are 100 leechers and yet I only upload at 10-20 kb/s when I have the capacity to upload 3 Mb/s without it fucking too much with my other computer activities.
And I have set upload speed to unlimited so that's not the problem.
- Choose another port for your torrent program. - lower number of people in the swarm. (100 is kind of unncessary) - limit the number of simultaneous uploads, ie like maximum 6 connections. - lower the global upload bandwidth limit to say 75-80% (heavy traffic reduces response times and has a negative result on speed)
On March 31 2007 17:46 FrozenArbiter wrote: Good thing you had this thread - because one of the files were mis-named in the race wars pack my seeding had stopped since I renamed it ;p (hint)
A lot of people probably stopped seeding this particular file involuntarily because of this. (the part beyond the .avi is _neo_ btw, on the nada vs jaedong file..)
Just click the damn file and choose your preferred player to open it (open with). No renaming and seeding abortion needed.
Torrent ethics: If you're an uploader, complete the upload in one go and don't leave people hanging. If you're an early leacher, stay and seed quite a bit more than 1:1 ratio. Limit number of upload connections if you have a slow line. It's just annoying with twats seeding a whopping 1kb/s.
On April 01 2007 02:27 FunFluffyBunny wrote: I have a lot of upload capacity but for some reason it's not being used, and I don't know why
For my big MSL torrent there are 100 leechers and yet I only upload at 10-20 kb/s when I have the capacity to upload 3 Mb/s without it fucking too much with my other computer activities.
And I have set upload speed to unlimited so that's not the problem.
About 95 of those are the same person. Apparently one of the many horrible BT clients that are out there shows up a zillion times on the tracker page. Apparently this person hasn't uploaded a single byte, either.
On March 31 2007 17:46 FrozenArbiter wrote: Good thing you had this thread - because one of the files were mis-named in the race wars pack my seeding had stopped since I renamed it ;p (hint)
A lot of people probably stopped seeding this particular file involuntarily because of this. (the part beyond the .avi is _neo_ btw, on the nada vs jaedong file..)
Just click the damn file and choose your preferred player to open it (open with). No renaming and seeding abortion needed.
Torrent ethics: If you're an uploader, complete the upload in one go and don't leave people hanging. If you're an early leacher, stay and seed quite a bit more than 1:1 ratio. Limit number of upload connections if you have a slow line. It's just annoying with twats seeding a whopping 1kb/s.
Should be common sense.
I'm an idiot, I didn't even think of that :D!
babo babo babo
I usually seed till almost 1:3 ratio if not more, and then I pause for a bit, I seeds @ nights and stuff~
I wish my upload wasn't capped at 15 either. I keep it up til I notice the torrents are done but I never know how much I upload. It's probably shit. T.T
Thats a really good upload, especially for Australia. I know there are high prices for slow internet there. Maybe it is getting better? Either way, kudos.
Is there any way to adjust so that you have max upload to a specific site but capped upload to other trackers? I have my upload capped at 500 kb/s but for TL I could max out. Doesn't matter to much since I almost never download stuff (I get all of my vods from bunny ^_^)
My problem is that I have a 2gig upload limit might sound like a lot but it really disappears when I continue seeding a couple of torrents for a few hours :/
On April 01 2007 13:17 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: Is there any way to adjust so that you have max upload to a specific site but capped upload to other trackers? I have my upload capped at 500 kb/s but for TL I could max out. Doesn't matter to much since I almost never download stuff (I get all of my vods from bunny ^_^)
in utorrent you can set rate and ratio maxes for individual torrents
I leave it on all the time, however, a lot of the time, no one downloads anything from me after I'm done DLing. I have much less peers connected to me -_-;;
Hey I'm probably one of those people who don't upload as much as I could. Problem is I leave bit torrent open for hours and I come back and upload speed is at 0 or 1. And it hasn't done anything since I been gone. I use Bit comet and i have the max upload rate at 35 cause anything higher would just stop me from doing anything on the comp. I don't download much from the tracker anymore tho this is from my anime experiences :D But I Know I will next season.
My i-net is really poor...I can upload with mah 25-30kbps and only when i'm not using the pc. But it gets harder cuz i have a little brother. So i upload when i have time..
You dont need to defend yourself in this thread and that definitely wasn't Mani's intent. Its completely understandable that if you have a bandwidth limit or a capped upload then you probably wont be able to reciprocate. The idea though is that as a community, every one contributes a little where they can and as a whole, the group is benefit.
I don't upload at a high speed. I cap it at 20 kB/s since I share my internet with 7 other people and I feel bad that I download at 200 and upload so slow, but I always stay, leave it overnight/while I'm in class etc. and I always get more than 1:1 (I think I have less than 1:1 in the latest one. I stopped it for a while because my internet was becoming really shitty. Now it's back on. Dunno how much it helps. Hope it does help)
well downloaders are important too, even leechers, in that the very purpose of the thing is to share with people, even leechers. i don't think the problem is one of 'deserving of the download' but one of having some responsibility in the system and keeping it going. just seed what you can.
On April 02 2007 08:34 Purind wrote: I don't upload at a high speed. I cap it at 20 kB/s since I share my internet with 7 other people and I feel bad that I download at 200 and upload so slow, but I always stay, leave it overnight/while I'm in class etc. and I always get more than 1:1 (I think I have less than 1:1 in the latest one. I stopped it for a while because my internet was becoming really shitty. Now it's back on. Dunno how much it helps. Hope it does help)
Almost everyone downloads much much faster than they upload, regardless if they share the internet connection or not, it's just the way most ISP's set up our internet connections. I can upload at about a max of 50 but I've seen my download go as high as 1300. I share my connection with others too but you can just upload to 1:1 when everyone is sleeping. Since there are people from all around the world here, when some people are asleep and uploading others are awake and trying to download, so it should work out fine.
Also, if you are sharing your connection and uploading slows the connection down, just set your max upload speed to 25% to 75% your max upload capacity. I find if I set my upload to 75% my max capacity it won't affect my connection speed much (even on other computers using the same connection). When I download I keep upload at 75% anyway because this is optimal for fastest download speeds. Set upload to 100% only when no one is using your internet connection.
This is just advice for everyone, though someone probably already mentioned things like this earlier in the thread (I only read the first page).
When I downloaded IntoTheMSL I downloaded the 13.2gb but uploaded like 25gb <_<. My dl speed would be like 2kbps and my upload 12kbps;;. but yeah i usually seed past the download until I need to restart or shutdown. Although last night I barely uploaded anything from my download of the Race Wars... like 600MB only and I dunno why it was so low because my download finished.
Ok, I'm leaving the superfight torrent in my torrent program so tonight when i start dling the Starleage day vods it will continue seeding :>, 8 hours of seeding tonight =)
EPT
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torrent doesn't lag me anyway, i can keep it on until forever 
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