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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-23 21:25:19
June 23 2017 21:23 GMT
#4321
On June 24 2017 06:10 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2017 06:00 L_Master wrote:
On June 24 2017 05:34 BigFan wrote:
On June 24 2017 04:55 L_Master wrote:
On June 22 2017 06:27 onlystar wrote:
On June 22 2017 06:10 Ares[Effort] wrote:
On June 22 2017 05:05 BonitiilloO wrote:
FlaSh apm is about 340+ average that pretty fast for a terran player, i think he is the fastest terran player atm.

which i think is the reason why he is so good with terran, for instance , Bisu is like 320+ apm in every game
but he doesnt use he apm in usefull things like FlaSh does.

Rush and Last are higher ~400



think you guys are mixing up Eapm and apm


Nah. EAPM numbers are almost never much above 200. Nobody sniffs 300 eapm. Hell nobody really sniffs 250eapm except in short, micro intensive TvZ games. Most of the super fast guys are generally between 200-220 though.

Chances are that it's higher than what gets recorded. Then there's the argument of how you measure it and what do you remove etc...


This part especially I agree with. I think eapm is a much more relevant metric than apm overall; but it's subject to certain aspects of spam as well. If you just 1a2a3a4a'ed as much as possible I'm sure you could play a 200+ eapm game, but it wouldn't really be indicative of insane mechanics normally associated with eapm of 200+.

Beyond that yea, it's just what do you filter. If you look at BWRepInfo the goal is basically to filter out actions that are likely spam, so it filters out actions like "select not followed be a command". Makes sense overall, but I'm sure it occasionally misses things like a player clicking on a unit to see how much health the unit has left. I usually just state that eapm generally correlates with micro and mechanics, but isn't guarantee anything.

A good way of thinking about it is that apm is a weak correlation between mechanics/multitasking ability, whereas eapm is a relatively strong correlation between mechanics/multitasking. I've played plenty of 250 apm players that are slow players. I've almost never played someone with 140eapm that felt slow.

Having said that, I can see the benefits of having higher apm


In all honesty, I have a hard time seeing this, beyond having the minimum needed to be effectively doing anything. I really don't think there is any benefit at all to having 250 apm versus 300 apm, and certainly not 300 apm vs 400 apm. Perhaps there is a small argument to be made in that players with high apm are cycling control groups more and thus slightly more likely to notice attacks/dts/harass, but that's a pretty minimal effect.

The issue with apm is that, taken by itself, tells you absolutely nothing. It's just too weak of a correlation. If you tell me a guy has 400apm, he could be anywhere from EffOrt to a D- player that idles 4scvs off of on base and routinely forgets his second depot (note: I have literally seen this happen. 420 avg apm for a 13' game, looked slower than many 30apm players).

EDIT: I really wish someone could get BWRepInfo working with 1.18; I do miss being able to check eapm after games.

I know the easiest way to cheat eapm is in the fact it registers more than i think 2? hotkey uses in a row as spam, but you could easily beat it by 1m2m3m4m5m m being move and have high eapm all the time.

I mean i was only C rank at best and could still have 190? eapm in TvZ by just moving even just a tiny bit every time i hit a hotkey


I did mention this. If you want to be technical it's not 2 hotkey presses in a row, it's a select without subsequent action.

You can spam eapm up to a point. However, if you're moving your army infinitesimally just for EAPM you're really not going to be doing much else.

Outside of that, if you're moving your army around I'd have to say those are meaningful actions. It's worth noting that due to the number and click-ability to MM TvZ has by FAR the highest eapm, especially in micro oriented moments. I've seen close to 300eapm for battles looking at pro games of top terrans. Lower ranks can have higher eapm's/mechanics as well. There are C rank players out there with pretty solid mechanics, though I'd be a little suprised, even in TvZ, to see a longer 20+ min game where you averaged above 190 eapm. That's a hell of a lot of marine micro!
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
June 24 2017 13:03 GMT
#4322
Is it just me or does flash always makes like a completely shocked face whenever he scans carriers?
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
June 24 2017 14:24 GMT
#4323
He's probably shocked that they are getting carriers against the Ultimate Weapon when they should be conceding.
May the BeSt man win.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
June 24 2017 16:16 GMT
#4324
On June 24 2017 22:03 Keniji wrote:
Is it just me or does flash always makes like a completely shocked face whenever he scans carriers?

"Wow, it's 2017 and this guy still thinks it can work against me ?"
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 18:04:40
June 24 2017 18:03 GMT
#4325
On June 25 2017 01:16 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2017 22:03 Keniji wrote:
Is it just me or does flash always makes like a completely shocked face whenever he scans carriers?

"Wow, it's 2017 and this guy still thinks it can work against me ?"


that is because you saw the one game vs free where free had successfully pressured flash expanding from minute 3 and behind that free had massedup 3/4 carriers so his scan was too late and he was shocked to find out the carrier count was that high already...

normally he scans stargates when they warp in and does not blink..
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
June 28 2017 13:53 GMT
#4326
Well, duh
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Michael Probu
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-30 00:53:33
June 30 2017 00:52 GMT
#4327
I don't know who is Flash's opponent in his latest videos, but its kind of funny hahahah. He's playing 2scvs down in the early game too. I really wish someone could put some subtitles on these videos :<
"Gotosaaaan~"


im deaf
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2718 Posts
July 01 2017 01:40 GMT
#4328
He's a very popular BJ and one of the old-timer BW players. He cast the AfreecaTV Clan league and played in the Ajae League.
www.afreecatv.com/arinbbidol
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44127 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 11:33:35
July 02 2017 11:33 GMT
#4329
so that's why he was having 11k viewers .. somebody is playing on flash computer while he's streaming who's the dude ?

usually only normal to popular dota2 , csgo, lol proplayers that get that amount of viewers normally
this is a quote
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2718 Posts
July 02 2017 14:10 GMT
#4330
Same guy, he was at Flash's house today to play games.
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44127 Posts
July 02 2017 15:52 GMT
#4331
On July 02 2017 23:10 Terrorbladder wrote:
Same guy, he was at Flash's house today to play games.

was he another pro gamer ? or another broodwar personality ? i'm not familiar with most of the broodwar player faces
this is a quote
D_lux
Profile Joined March 2009
Hungary60 Posts
July 09 2017 14:25 GMT
#4332
who is pangya? Flash just lost to him three times in a row.
there is no spoon
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 09 2017 14:28 GMT
#4333
On July 09 2017 23:25 D_lux wrote:
who is pangya? Flash just lost to him three times in a row.

It is rain

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D_lux
Profile Joined March 2009
Hungary60 Posts
July 09 2017 14:33 GMT
#4334
Thank you for the site

They are going at each other again! (flash vs rain)
there is no spoon
D_lux
Profile Joined March 2009
Hungary60 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-09 15:14:36
July 09 2017 14:44 GMT
#4335
4-0 to rain :O

edit: 5-0 to rain :D
there is no spoon
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
July 09 2017 15:15 GMT
#4336
That last game was beautiful!
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-09 15:16:58
July 09 2017 15:16 GMT
#4337
lol, when was the last time somebody 5:0-ed Flash?
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
July 09 2017 15:46 GMT
#4338
On July 10 2017 00:16 letian wrote:
lol, when was the last time somebody 5:0-ed Flash?

So far in sponmatches in July, Rain is 26-6 in pvt. Sadly he is also 4-16 in pvz.
D_lux
Profile Joined March 2009
Hungary60 Posts
July 09 2017 16:01 GMT
#4339
now its 6-1 to Rain vs Flash, I think
there is no spoon
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8055 Posts
July 11 2017 21:22 GMT
#4340
FLASH VS LARVA WITH FLASH PLAYING ZERG AND LARVA PLAYING.....WELL.....ZERG TOO !!!
+ Show Spoiler +
FLASH WON !!

sorry for caps guys but i am hyped !!!!
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