When did Savior started to dominate ?

On February 19 2007 05:19 Manifesto7 wrote:
It is my dream that one day the articles section will be as extensive as a dictionary. For now however, it is a lowly compilation of links. Clicking a single one, entitled "MSL History" will clearly give the answer he requires. It is then my hope he will continue to browse, examining the fine works collected there.

On February 19 2007 05:20 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
how would a dictionary explain the sky being blue, aren't you thinking of a book perhaps of the science category?

On February 19 2007 06:42 ~chut~ wrote:
When he won his first MSL (Uzoo), in August 2005 (i think?), no one knew if he would be a one-timer or if he would become really dominant.

But when he came back in Cyon MSL and reached the final by winning 3-0 against Oov in the losers final, people started to look at him differently i'd say. Even if he lost that MSL to Chojja, it was ZvZ and Chojja was probably the best at ZvZ at that time. So it was around january 2006 that he started to get really interesting, his record vs Oov being something like 7-1, his drone-whoring style was impressive, well he had it all.

It became even more obvious he was really a great player in Pringles 1. He was dominating MSL for a year. His only problem was qualifying to OSL, which he did finally this season and he proved he could be big there too.

So well, it depends what you call a "dominant player". Savior has been the dominant player in MSL for almost 2 years now.
In OSL, he's only starting to prove it.

On February 19 2007 06:42 ~chut~ wrote:
When he won his first MSL (Uzoo), in August 2005 (i think?), no one knew if he would be a one-timer or if he would become really dominant.

But when he came back in Cyon MSL and reached the final by winning 3-0 against Oov in the losers final, people started to look at him differently i'd say. Even if he lost that MSL to Chojja, it was ZvZ and Chojja was probably the best at ZvZ at that time. So it was around january 2006 that he started to get really interesting, his record vs Oov being something like 7-1, his drone-whoring style was impressive, well he had it all.

It became even more obvious he was really a great player in Pringles 1. He was dominating MSL for a year. His only problem was qualifying to OSL, which he did finally this season and he proved he could be big there too.

So well, it depends what you call a "dominant player". Savior has been the dominant player in MSL for almost 2 years now.
In OSL, he's only starting to prove it.

I think many people are forgetting that those percentages include individual games, not series. Oov wasn't just winning sets, he was winning them 2-0, 3-0 constantly.

On February 19 2007 11:07 MYM.Testie wrote:
Wasn't OOV one of the only people to repeatedly stop Savior in tournaments?
He did it twice? Or three times?

On February 19 2007 11:28 Sacajawea wrote:
Testie, your thinking of CEF or w/e the fuck Chinese tourney is called.
I love oov won it.

On February 19 2007 11:30 [Carlodajin] wrote:

Yes. iloveoov defeated SaviOr 3-0.
Thats their more recent match.

On February 19 2007 13:00 Sun wrote:
iris and h. aren't really incredible victories though. They have been playing great of late, but they are under accomplished old vets ;/

On February 19 2007 05:55 Sun wrote:
There is a reason why we have a search function. This is getting really old. Superfight is lmao.

On February 19 2007 11:30 [Carlodajin] wrote:

Yes. iloveoov defeated SaviOr 3-0.
Thats their more recent match.

On February 19 2007 13:26 Sun wrote:
Both Iris and H. had him by the balls and they let him go. Don't talk about Iris' micro because he had one too many mistakes in that last game. It was their's for the taking and they fucked up. Iris lacks concentration and ability to seal the deal in the big one yet again and H. never was in that position before.

On February 19 2007 11:40 GodsDevil[5thF] wrote:
actualy 2-0 on lt and luna reps ar availabel 2

On February 19 2007 16:42 muramasa wrote:
I agree that SaviOr's wins over Hwasin and Iris were both because of the less experienced Terrans choking, not SaviOr playing well. I think his time on top is coming to an end, NaDa is going to rape him in the OSL finals. SaviOr probably has the MSL title in the bag though, PvZ is just so busted.

On February 19 2007 16:39 Loveletter wrote:
I remember when everyone was saying that IPX was a horrible player. He wasn't that good and he was a joke. But this was like maybe two years ago when I had quit for a while but then I come back and I hear that Savior is owning everything in his way. I have seen his reps and stuff. The thing I guess I hate most about him is that he doesn't show any emotion at all after games. I guess that takes skills.

On February 19 2007 16:50 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
I didnt know who savior was until that tourney. Or when he played oov on luna and intothedarkness( not sure if that was same tourney)

On February 19 2007 05:03 evanthebouncy~ wrote:
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"Daddy, what's a rabbit?"
Mani:
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On February 19 2007 17:15 Loveletter wrote:
Ohh then maybe I should see it. Anywhere I can see the VODs? Or are they on the post of the Iris vs Savior

On February 19 2007 13:26 Sun wrote:
thanks again captain obvious. He hasn't won anything. Sure he eats/sleeps/trais beside savior which is a great benefit as he is the top zerg player right now. If he manages to beat NaDa who is way more accomplished (one of the best); has better mechanics than the above players in almost every aspect in the final.. then we'll have something to talk about.

Both Iris and H. had him by the balls and they let him go. Don't talk about Iris' micro because he had one too many mistakes in that last game. It was their's for the taking and they fucked up. Iris lacks concentration and ability to seal the deal in the big one yet again and H. never was in that position before.

On February 20 2007 01:07 Sun wrote:
It should be obvious even with the inconsistencies of pronouns and subject.

Iris hasn't won anything. This semi was the closest he has come to anything and still he choked for many reasons.. whether you want to bitch (OMFG these maps are so T>Z or any other deliberate attempt you can think of to make you look like a smarty pants). Iris isn't worth worrying about shit. He's been a pro gamer for years and he always choked live. FACT. Iris eats and sleeps beside him. Whom else? His mom. Do the math. "If 'he'... something to talk about" -> should be new paragraph but I'm sure many caught it. Obviously I'm talking about Saviour. He hasn't been that dominate in the last two bo5's. He just made it by the hair of his chiny chin chin.

Next paragraph ---> how much Iris and Mr. H. choke... They aren't strong. You get lucky once in a while. If they make it to the next OSL semis then we can start talking about... oh they are finally starting to get it.

On February 20 2007 01:29 SuperJongMan wrote:
The fact that he is royal roading the OSL alone and in the finals is a sign to his dominance.
The fact that he is the only Z in the top 4 of the MSL and OSL with maps like Longinus, Arkanoid, Desert Fox, and RLT shows his dominance.

It doesn't matter if Savior even loses this OSL. If he wins it, his case is 5x stronger. If he loses, it's not like this is his only chance. The guy makes it to the finals of his first OSL on a pretty bad set up for Zergs.

How the hell is he not dominant?

No Protoss can touch him...
Less than a handful of T's can take him in a series...
And he is the best ZvZ in a long long while...

You guys are so stupid sometimes. Seriously, pain-inducingly stupid.

On February 20 2007 03:23 KorvspaD wrote:
well, think about, I can't see any other zergs still in, what does that say?

It does not seem to affect savior as much, but it does feel kind of unfair to the other zergs.

On February 20 2007 03:45 KovacsFlorian wrote:


It says that the other zergs must play better. There were maps where T was 0-7 vs Z. So what the Terrans started to do? Played better and started to win on those maps.

If Savior (a pro) can handle the maps, other pro zergs should do it to0. He (Savior) doesn't win because he is an alien. He just uses his mind better to learn and adapt.

On February 20 2007 03:48 KorvspaD wrote:

thx for proving my point

On February 20 2007 04:31 muramasa wrote:


What was your point again, that you're an idiot? You've certainly proven that.

The maps will never be perfect. It's just not possible. These guys are professionals and they have shitloads of time to practice on these maps and come up with new builds. Not to mention that the so called balance of a map typically changes over the course of it's use. This is because players adapt to the maps and the other players builds.

Everytime a new map comes out people online bitch about how imba it is. By the time the maps have run their course the balance has typically shifted completely due to changing builds and styles of the players.

On February 20 2007 05:47 KorvspaD wrote:

uhm, why be so hostile? I completely agree there's nothing to do about the maps, one season their slightly better for one race, and the next for another, just the way it is. Obviously the maps aren't as imbalanced as some pple think, savior has proven that just by making it into the finals.
But they are hard, which makes it damn impressive.

You just assumed I were whining about the maps, when in fact I think just the same. I don't even know why I'm responding to this, but I guess I'm tired of pple jumping to conclusions

it does feel kind of unfair to the other zergs