Looking at some of these accomplishments it is easily on par imho.

Even though Savior's list is short there just isn't that much filler. I mean look at Mumyungs list... University league win? What the fuck does that mean? He beat some college kids who had a tournament? aaaaaaa

Manifesto7

Osaka27174 Posts

February 18 2007 06:49 GMT

#62

On February 18 2007 11:25 ApollyoN wrote:

Sure Boxer had a ton of nice little tricks and moves that we can remember him by but he never really changed the way the game was played fundamentally.

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. It saddens me that you have been on this site for so long but have failed to learn anything.

Patriot.dlk

Sweden5462 Posts

February 18 2007 06:52 GMT

#63

On February 18 2007 14:51 PoP wrote:

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Imho there's a (subtile) difference between "best of all time" and "greatest of all time". I agree that Nada's been the most achieved and probably the most skillful player ever (even though other players might claim that title in the long run too, esp. Savior, but Oov too if he can overcome his slump). But in the word "great" there's imho something wider than that, something definitely more subjective too, which Sacajawea described pretty well in his post.

The combined charisma, skills, extreme consistency, "wow factor", effect on progaming, effect on the game itself, all these things (plus tons more) make Boxer the greatest ever to me, and by a pretty significant margin.

Btw (unrelated to what I've just written),

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He didn't really dominate Boxer. They actually haven't met much in very important games. Only series I can remember is the KT-KTF final which Nada won. Overall Boxer still has a (slightly) winning record vs him.

I agree with you 100%. I meant exactly that when I said you cant compare with boxer.. Thanks for correcting in the mather of nada vs boxer. I just remeberered that Nada pretty much beat him every time after Nada began to be dominant but I dont remember this very well so I assume you are correct=)

I do however think that it's pretty damn hard to be more best ever then Nada considering how way back he actually goes and he's not done yet=)

Cambium

United States16368 Posts

February 18 2007 07:00 GMT

#64

I would go with Boxer.

Boxer practically pioneered progaming in Korea.

It was Boxer who showed the world how Starcraft could and should be played,
It was Boxer who attracted interest from investors for progaming.

If Boxer never existed, Starcraft might have been long dead by now. Without Boxer, there would be no Nada, no Oov, no Savior, no anyone.

TiQ.SinGi

Norway386 Posts

February 18 2007 07:02 GMT

#65

Hong Jin Ho Forever! <3

ApollyoN

United States1297 Posts

February 18 2007 07:03 GMT

#66

On February 18 2007 15:49 Manifesto7 wrote:

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This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. It saddens me that you have been on this site for so long but have failed to learn anything.

Maybe, but what are some specific examples disproving this? What elements about the game today can we directly trace back to boxer's influence, and how are these better than someone like Garimto's or TheMarine's (who probably had just as much influence on how terran is played as boxer)? And im not just talking about popularizing the bunker rush against yellow or something like that. I'll admit I dont follow progaming as closely as a lot of people on this site seem to but I dont get the hero worship still surrounding Boxer, who has basically been a yellow in the modern era. I also know this probably isnt the most popular stance here

SuperJongMan

Jamaica11586 Posts

February 18 2007 08:41 GMT

#67

Just wait til Boxer comes back...

And all those recent 2nd place OSLs have to have meaning. -_-;;
But it's ok.. just wait til he's back. Just wait.

tKd_

United States2916 Posts

February 18 2007 08:47 GMT

#68

On February 18 2007 15:49 Manifesto7 wrote:

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This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. It saddens me that you have been on this site for so long but have failed to learn anything.

Awsome quote to say. I laughed, but it's very true.

il0seonpurpose

Korea (South)5638 Posts

February 18 2007 08:54 GMT

#69

dang sc tourney back in 1999? boxer i think was the most consistent until 2006 but he was/is still popular that year, with nice moves. he'll be back though like garimto

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

February 18 2007 09:15 GMT

#70

Was it not boxer who set the standard for marine medic control that has influenced all terran players that have come after him?

scGhost

Poland168 Posts

February 18 2007 09:20 GMT

#71

Boxer is the king

That title should no be set by statistics, Boxer show the whole world how to play starcraft. Many times.

Highways

Australia6119 Posts

February 18 2007 09:27 GMT

#72

Boxer is the only Terran i respect.

Mainly cause he plays micro/aggressive style, and the occasional cheese. Terran these days are all macro pussies, by fast expanding every single game.

rpf

United States2705 Posts

February 18 2007 09:43 GMT

#73

Legionnaire.

But I'm biased, since he doesn't act like a pompous ass when I try to talk to him on MSN.

So yeah.

Oh, last night there was someone on my favorite CS:S server with the name "Grrr...."

He didn't respond to GiYoM, so I ripped him a new one for stealing his ID. Everyone thinks I'm a psychopath now. :/

RowdierBob

Australia13425 Posts

February 18 2007 10:38 GMT

#74

Call me a Savior fanboy, but if Savior wins both starleagues, he surely moves up the #1 on this list.

I mean we all know how hard it is just to qualify for one of these tournaments, let alone win one, and for Savior to win both simultaneously would be something you will probably never see again in BW progaming.

For the sake of discussion though, here's my list as of now:
Nada
Oov
Savior/July/Boxer

Boxer is defintely the most influential gamer of all time though. Hands down.

Kennigit

Canada19447 Posts

February 18 2007 10:39 GMT

#75

was i the only one that thought the OP was going to be some random with 8 posts saying "omg savior is gooood"

on a more serious note, imo it really depends on what your looking for.
Accomplishments? probably nada/boxer.
Most innovative? i would say Ra, just because he seems to pull off insane builds without moving any muscles in his face or makuing facial features
Done most for E-sports (sc related) - obviously the emporer

....ok boxer it is

Carnac

Germany / USA16648 Posts

February 18 2007 10:41 GMT

#76

On February 18 2007 19:38 RowdierBob wrote:
Call me a Savior fanboy, but if Savior wins both starleagues, he surely moves up the #1 on this list.

would not enough for #1 yet
he'd be tied with oov for major titles (and that even excludes oov's wcg win as well as the fact that oov has 2 osl titles and not one) and below nada

tomatriedes

New Zealand5356 Posts

February 18 2007 10:48 GMT

#77

Strictly on accomplishments (important ones) it has to be Nada. Nobody's won more of the SL's than him. 2nd rate tournaments shouldn't count. Boxer would win on Influentiality but that should be considered seperately imo.

RowdierBob

Australia13425 Posts

February 18 2007 10:48 GMT

#78

Forget the fact of how many he has won, but how he won it.

I mean, to win both at the same time, is something we never thought would have been possible. Has anyone even got close to such a feat before?

To win both major leagues at a time when competition is as hard as it is, shows just how good Savior is imo.