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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
On February 18 2007 08:21 Carnac wrote: oh comeon, it was just 3 bo1 wins -.- not that noteworthy in terms of accomplishments Looking at some of these accomplishments it is easily on par imho. Even though Savior's list is short there just isn't that much filler. I mean look at Mumyungs list... University league win? What the fuck does that mean? He beat some college kids who had a tournament? aaaaaaa | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27156 Posts
On February 18 2007 11:25 ApollyoN wrote: Sure Boxer had a ton of nice little tricks and moves that we can remember him by but he never really changed the way the game was played fundamentally. This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. It saddens me that you have been on this site for so long but have failed to learn anything. | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
On February 18 2007 14:51 PoP wrote: Imho there's a (subtile) difference between "best of all time" and "greatest of all time". I agree that Nada's been the most achieved and probably the most skillful player ever (even though other players might claim that title in the long run too, esp. Savior, but Oov too if he can overcome his slump). But in the word "great" there's imho something wider than that, something definitely more subjective too, which Sacajawea described pretty well in his post. The combined charisma, skills, extreme consistency, "wow factor", effect on progaming, effect on the game itself, all these things (plus tons more) make Boxer the greatest ever to me, and by a pretty significant margin. Btw (unrelated to what I've just written), He didn't really dominate Boxer. They actually haven't met much in very important games. Only series I can remember is the KT-KTF final which Nada won. Overall Boxer still has a (slightly) winning record vs him. I agree with you 100%. I meant exactly that when I said you cant compare with boxer.. Thanks for correcting in the mather of nada vs boxer. I just remeberered that Nada pretty much beat him every time after Nada began to be dominant but I dont remember this very well so I assume you are correct=) I do however think that it's pretty damn hard to be more best ever then Nada considering how way back he actually goes and he's not done yet=) | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
Boxer practically pioneered progaming in Korea. It was Boxer who showed the world how Starcraft could and should be played, It was Boxer who attracted interest from investors for progaming. If Boxer never existed, Starcraft might have been long dead by now. Without Boxer, there would be no Nada, no Oov, no Savior, no anyone. | ||
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TiQ.SinGi
Norway385 Posts
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ApollyoN
United States1297 Posts
On February 18 2007 15:49 Manifesto7 wrote: Maybe, but what are some specific examples disproving this? What elements about the game today can we directly trace back to boxer's influence, and how are these better than someone like Garimto's or TheMarine's (who probably had just as much influence on how terran is played as boxer)? And im not just talking about popularizing the bunker rush against yellow or something like that. I'll admit I dont follow progaming as closely as a lot of people on this site seem to but I dont get the hero worship still surrounding Boxer, who has basically been a yellow in the modern era. I also know this probably isnt the most popular stance here This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. It saddens me that you have been on this site for so long but have failed to learn anything.  | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
And all those recent 2nd place OSLs have to have meaning. -_-;; But it's ok.. just wait til he's back. Just wait. | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
On February 18 2007 15:49 Manifesto7 wrote: This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. It saddens me that you have been on this site for so long but have failed to learn anything. Awsome quote to say. I laughed, but it's very true. | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
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scGhost
Poland168 Posts
 That title should no be set by statistics, Boxer show the whole world how to play starcraft. Many times. | ||
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
Mainly cause he plays micro/aggressive style, and the occasional cheese. Terran these days are all macro pussies, by fast expanding every single game. | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
But I'm biased, since he doesn't act like a pompous ass when I try to talk to him on MSN. So yeah. Oh, last night there was someone on my favorite CS:S server with the name "Grrr...." He didn't respond to GiYoM, so I ripped him a new one for stealing his ID. Everyone thinks I'm a psychopath now. :/ | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
I mean we all know how hard it is just to qualify for one of these tournaments, let alone win one, and for Savior to win both simultaneously would be something you will probably never see again in BW progaming. For the sake of discussion though, here's my list as of now: Nada Oov Savior/July/Boxer Boxer is defintely the most influential gamer of all time though. Hands down. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
on a more serious note, imo it really depends on what your looking for. Accomplishments? probably nada/boxer. Most innovative? i would say Ra, just because he seems to pull off insane builds without moving any muscles in his face or makuing facial features Done most for E-sports (sc related) - obviously the emporer ....ok boxer it is | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On February 18 2007 19:38 RowdierBob wrote: would not enough for #1 yetCall me a Savior fanboy, but if Savior wins both starleagues, he surely moves up the #1 on this list. he'd be tied with oov for major titles (and that even excludes oov's wcg win as well as the fact that oov has 2 osl titles and not one) and below nada | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
I mean, to win both at the same time, is something we never thought would have been possible. Has anyone even got close to such a feat before? To win both major leagues at a time when competition is as hard as it is, shows just how good Savior is imo. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
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