On February 18 2007 09:10 Gandalf wrote:
Hey 1tym I couldnt figure out what the figures in the first table represent. Could you please tell me?

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Figures represents win points from various tournaments/leagues..

DesOndaes

United States61 Posts

February 18 2007 00:27 GMT

#22

[GG99]SlayeR is greatest player of all time.

1tym

Korea (South)2425 Posts

February 18 2007 00:35 GMT

#23

It's impossible to compare any players on a symmetrical level anyway because later the era, tougher it will become. In last 2 years, number of registered pro-gamers doubled. I don't see it decreasing any moment. If that's the case, then we may just have to refer to the latest tournament winner and call him the greatest of all times. But then the winners will always change so we won't get any 'true' champions in the end.

The definition "The greatest of all times" does not necessarily connote the competition level, it just means greatest at the time of the player's era.

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Braavos36374 Posts

February 18 2007 00:38 GMT

#24

1tym did a great job translating all of this, but the highlights really can be shortened to:

Saviour
2005 Uzoo MSL win
2006 CYON MSL second
2006 Pringles MSL win
2006 Pringles MSL season 2 win
2007 Shinhan3 OSL finalist
2007 GOMTV MSL finalist

Julyzerg
2004 Gillete OSL win
2005 EVER OSL win
2005 IOPS OSL 2nd
2006 Shinhan OSL 2nd

Iloveoov
2003 TG Sambo MSL win
2004 Hanoforce Sengame MSL win
2004 Spris MSL win
2004 EVER OSL win
2006 Shinhan OSL win
2006 WCG2006 win

Nada
2001 KPGA TOUR 4th league win
2002 KPGA TOUR 2nd league win
2002 KPGA TOUR 3rd league win
2003 Panasonic OSL win
2003 ghemTV 3rd Starleague win
2003 Stout MSL 2nd
2004 Hanaforce Sengame MSL 2nd
2005 IOPS OSL win
2006 Shinhan OSL season 2 win
2007 OSL finalist

Boxer
2001 The 1st World Cyber Games win
2001 Coca Cola OSL win
2001 Hanbit Soft OSL win
2001 SKY1 OSL 2nd
2002 World Cyber Games win
2002 SKY2 OSL 2nd
2003 KTEC KPGA (MSL) 2nd
2004 EVER OSL 2nd
2005 So1 OSL 2nd

Xellos
2003 Olympus OSL win
2004 WCG win

Yellow
2001 Coca Cola OSL 2nd
2003 Olympus OSL 2nd
2003 KTEC KPGA (MSL) win

Grrrr (Guillaum Patry)
99/00 Hanaro Communication Tooniverse win

the snickers all star or masters or superfights should not really be included

exalted

United States3612 Posts

February 18 2007 00:39 GMT

#25

So close between Nada and Savior. Those two are truly champions of all time. As previously mentioned, it is SO much harder to win now than before. I am absolutely shocked by Savior's double final entry, and Savior vs Nada will truly be epic. I'm sure both of them will practice for this more than anything imaginable...

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Braavos36374 Posts

February 18 2007 00:40 GMT

#26

On February 18 2007 09:35 1tym wrote:
It's impossible to compare any players on a symmetrical level anyway because later the era, tougher it will become. In last 2 years, number of registered pro-gamers doubled. I don't see it decreasing any moment. If that's the case, then we may just have to refer to the latest tournament winner and call him the greatest of all times. But then the winners will always change so we won't get any 'true' champions in the end.

The definition "The greatest of all times" does not necessarily connote the competition level, it just means greatest at the time of the player's era.

you are right, but to an extent. but nada has been the greatest in two, possibly three eras, and i think that justifies putting him at a level above oov, savior, boxer, or july. yellow or xellos should not even be mentioned in the same breath as those four.

if savior manages to win an osl or two, that would put him in serious contention with NaDa for the best career of all time.

NuclearAntelope

United States1369 Posts

February 18 2007 00:41 GMT

#27

On February 18 2007 09:39 exalted wrote:
So close between Nada and Savior. Those two are truly champions of all time. As previously mentioned, it is SO much harder to win now than before. I am absolutely shocked by Savior's double final entry, and Savior vs Nada will truly be epic. I'm sure both of them will practice for this more than anything imaginable...

I agree that it's harder to win now than it was in previous years, but until savior actually wins an OSL you can't really put him in front of oov (3 MSL + 2 OSL + WCG vs 3 MSL + 0 OSL + 0 WCG).

pyrogenetix

China5094 Posts

February 18 2007 00:46 GMT

#28

hm pretty interesting compilation of all their achievements

i have a feeling savior is gona get a long list soon and it is only gona get longer =D

SainT

Chile1067 Posts

February 18 2007 00:46 GMT

#29

It's the player of ALL Time, if NaDa can play like this a this moment is because of Boxer

So i'll stay with GARIMTO and SlayerS`_BoxeR`

1tym

Korea (South)2425 Posts

February 18 2007 00:47 GMT

#30

On February 18 2007 09:41 NuclearAntelope wrote:

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I agree that it's harder to win now than it was in previous years, but until savior actually wins an OSL you can't really put him in front of oov (3 MSL + 2 OSL + WCG vs 3 MSL + 0 OSL + 0 WCG).

Yeah I agree... I think many people are forgetting about the Oov era.. Oov at the time of domination was a freakin monster.. He had as much force as Saviour now has..

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Braavos36374 Posts

February 18 2007 00:48 GMT

#31

i agree. its also hard to put him in front of Boxer or July given that they are multiple OSL winners.

right now i'd say it's Nada, then oov, then boxer/july/savior in some order.

IF savior wins both finals in the next two weeks, it'll be Nada, then oov/savior.

Gokey

United States2722 Posts

February 18 2007 01:04 GMT

#32

Man, it's close between Savior and Nada... I'd give Savior more time, as his lists of accomplishments are EXPLODING at the moment...

Boxer, on the other hand, is just in a class of his own... You can't really compare him to other progamers.

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Braavos36374 Posts

February 18 2007 01:12 GMT

#33

you easily can compare boxer to other progamers. his style and personality and presence and pure watchability (the WOW moments) is unrivaled, and he's done so much for BW as an ambassador and pioneer, but his career accomplishments can easily be weighed against other progamers and unfortunately his career, strictly accomplishment wise, is no longer the best. Nada and oov clearly have better resumes.

however, we all know that Boxer's career cannot and should not be measured this way =)

GrandInquisitor

New York City13113 Posts

February 18 2007 01:41 GMT

#34

i think the combination of july and oov is singlehandedly responsible for the lack of protoss today. they dealt the race of aiur such a bodyblow in their dominating periods =(

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

February 18 2007 01:56 GMT

#35

I think purely achievement wise, NaDa is the greatest player. However, I feel that Boxer should be the greatest player if you take into account all he has done for SC and all the time it took him to popularize SC in Korea. He could've been practicing in all that time. I'm sure he would've won more tournaments if he had just practiced 24/7 without caring about his fans. But he does, and that's what makes him great in my books.

Savior just might take the title away from NaDa if he can continue to dominate though.

After 20 months of dominance, he can change races to Terran, then after another 20, to Protoss, then he can go random for another 40~

[GiTM]-Ace

United States4935 Posts

February 18 2007 02:01 GMT

#36

Right now nada is definitely the greatest of all time. But If savior keeps winning the way he does then yea I'm sure he will pass him eventually. But its always the same argument when it comes to these things. The era they played in and the field of competition. ( ex. Is kobe better then jordan? or is Shaq better then Wilt) We will never know =[

Carnac

Germany / USA16648 Posts

February 18 2007 02:08 GMT

#37

The most accomplished yeah, but not "definitely the greatest", there is more to being great than being successful. Note that I am neither saying that Nada isn't great or saying that Boxer is necessarily the greatest, but just that saying Nada is "definitely the greatest" is a bit of a stretch.

rel

Guam3521 Posts

February 18 2007 02:22 GMT

#38

Boxer is obviously the greatest of all time. and I wouldn't try to argue with me unless you want slaughtered!

ApollyoN

United States1297 Posts

February 18 2007 02:25 GMT

#39

Nada has been just as influential to bw as Boxer had been. Watch pro-games before Nada's dominance and notice how sloppy and inefficiently they played; even the elite players such as boxer, yellow, and garimto had terrible mechanics. That all changed when Nada came onto the scene. For better or worse, Nada's dominance changed starcraft into a much more macro oriented game, paving the way for players such as iloveoov and savior.

Sure Boxer had a ton of nice little tricks and moves that we can remember him by but he never really changed the way the game was played fundamentally. You could maybe argue that he changed the way terran was played at that time with his use of dropships and harass tactics and such, but Nada's influence is felt on every race in every matchup.

Raidern

Brazil3811 Posts

February 18 2007 02:25 GMT

#40

well, my favourite player of all time is Boxer. But I think NADA Should be awarded the greatest player of all time.

Why? Because he is like an owner of a time machine. If you look at the beginning of SC Progaming in 2001 you can see him as a finalist, and if you look at the current most important tourney he is also a finalist. Its like "holy shit this guy was among the best playing against the dinossaurs and he is still fighting against global warming!". He had moments of slumping but never ceased to be a fuckign threat to ANY player in ANY era.

That's why my vote goes for Nada.

Savior is in an awesome momentum, but people forget too early. Maybe noone did ever dominate like he is doing right now, and if he continue like that for some more time maybe the Best Player Ever Title will be his.