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savior is certainly making quite a statement at the moment though :p
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
savior is certainly making quite a statement at the moment though :p | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
agree with hotbid for the most part | ||
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Sadist
United States7218 Posts
On February 18 2007 16:03 ApollyoN wrote: Maybe, but what are some specific examples disproving this? What elements about the game today can we directly trace back to boxer's influence, and how are these better than someone like Garimto's or TheMarine's (who probably had just as much influence on how terran is played as boxer)? And im not just talking about popularizing the bunker rush against yellow or something like that. I'll admit I dont follow progaming as closely as a lot of people on this site seem to but I dont get the hero worship still surrounding Boxer, who has basically been a yellow in the modern era. I also know this probably isnt the most popular stance here boxers dropship play, his tvz, his tvt. Hes basically influenced terran completely. While I agree themarine was great too (started that whole turret everywhere around the map) boxer made terran into what it was for years. Terran was considered fairly weak around the time boxer first started to dominate on the scene. Themarine was very good too then, but other than that you didnt have many people (st.eagle was pretty good too then) Nada though is more influential overall though imo, he was the first terran to be really dominant at everymatchup (themarine was really good too, but not to the extent of nada) | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On February 18 2007 20:03 Sadist wrote: boxers dropship play, his tvz, his tvt. Hes basically influenced terran completely. While I agree themarine was great too (started that whole turret everywhere around the map) boxer made terran into what it was for years. Terran was considered fairly weak around the time boxer first started to dominate on the scene. Themarine was very good too then, but other than that you didnt have many people (st.eagle was pretty good too then) Nada though is more influential overall though imo, he was the first terran to be really dominant at everymatchup (themarine was really good too, but not to the extent of nada) You seem tired. | ||
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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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TearsOfTheSun
Canada995 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Boxer, Nada, Oov, pick one and argue in triangles. Gogo TL.net. If Savior wins the OSL, I guess we will have a square or something. Seeing that Oov pic reminded me.. Oov was a fuckin God. Boxer is Boxer. He never dies. He is forever competitive. Nada proves he never dies either. I pick Boxer simply because the number of memorable moments with Boxer is a lot more than anyone else in my head. Besides like.. Casy.. and maybe even Rainbow. Ahaah rainbow. | ||
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WhiZ
Sweden853 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Since Boxer lost to Garimto in SKY 2001, only Nal_rA and July have appeared in consecutive OSL finals. Both went 1-1, winning the year after they lost in the finals, then falling to the champions curse the next year. Since Boxer in 2000-2001, nobody has won consecutive OSLs... Nada is about to attempt it. Oov's period of domination ran from Fall 2003 to Fall 2004, where he won 3 MSLs and 1 OSL. He is 5-0 when he appears in the finals. Savior has appeared in FIVE consecutive MSL finals, and if he makes the next MSL final, he will have dominated the MSL for two entire years. NaDa is the only player to have won OSL+MSL in the same "season" (the finals were 3 weeks apart) but nobody has ever won the OSL+MSL with the games right on top of each other like Savior is attempting to do. | ||
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muramasa
Canada1299 Posts
SaviOr's period of complete dominance is close to an end IMO. The Terran's seem to have figured him out to an extent. He definitely hasn't seemed invincible lately. It reminds me a lot of Oov when he was on top. Is there a list of of career earnings anywhere? Because in the end, whichever of these guys makes off with the most loot is the real winner. I'm sure SaviOr is way behind old school guys like YellOw et all with regards to that. NaDa has got to be loaded considering all his tournament wins, plus his sweet contract with Pantech. | ||
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Beamo
France1279 Posts
On February 19 2007 00:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: oov dominated the scene in a way that was very similar to what Savior is doing now. He WAS literally unstoppable at one time, and then we all witnessed the birth of July, God of War. Even if he did manage to rank #1, I've never felt July ever dominated the scnene... He was good and won 2 finals and made 2 second places in OSL and won KT-KTF. But he never did anything in MSL (not even top4). His record isn't so much better then Nal_Ra's for exemple who won 1 OSL, 1 MSL and made at least 2 finals. The true dominent players have been Boxer for a while, then Nada with a Grand slam in 2002, then Oov with 3 MSL and 1 OSL win in like a year and a half (2nd OSL title came a bit later) and crazywin pourcentages and now we are seeing Savior with 5 MSL finals in a row and a shot for an OSL title. Savior still has a bit to go to be on par with Nada in term of titles and Oov in term of winning ratio. As said, he is dominating but people will soon start to understand how to play him and even if he still stays n°1 he wont be as dominant for too long. On February 19 2007 01:42 Hot_Bid wrote: NaDa is the only player to have won OSL+MSL in the same "season" (the finals were 3 weeks apart) but nobody has ever won the OSL+MSL with the games right on top of each other like Savior is attempting to do. 3 weeks or 1 week apart is kind of the same thing... And Nada won his 2 finals 3-2 and 3-0, both against Chojja. We'll see what Savior can do | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
Nada is God. Savior is Jesus. And Boxer is Christianity. | ||
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Tarte
Canada933 Posts
On February 19 2007 01:42 Hot_Bid wrote: did you know... Since Boxer lost to Garimto in SKY 2001, only Nal_rA and July have appeared in consecutive OSL finals. Both went 1-1, winning the year after they lost in the finals, then falling to the champions curse the next year. Since Boxer in 2000-2001, nobody has won consecutive OSLs... Nada is about to attempt it. Oov's period of domination ran from Fall 2003 to Fall 2004, where he won 3 MSLs and 1 OSL. He is 5-0 when he appears in the finals. Savior has appeared in FIVE consecutive MSL finals, and if he makes the next MSL final, he will have dominated the MSL for two entire years. NaDa is the only player to have won OSL+MSL in the same "season" (the finals were 3 weeks apart) but nobody has ever won the OSL+MSL with the games right on top of each other like Savior is attempting to do. Then savior isn't too far from best of all time  but he still got things to prove. On February 19 2007 08:34 MYM.Testie wrote: As it stands right now. Nada is God. Savior is Jesus. And Boxer is Christianity. rofl. | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On February 19 2007 01:42 Hot_Bid wrote: You have a couple of good points, just one small thing: there never even was the possibility to win MSL&OSL this closely together, simply because the finals have never been this closely together before did you know... Since Boxer lost to Garimto in SKY 2001, only Nal_rA and July have appeared in consecutive OSL finals. Both went 1-1, winning the year after they lost in the finals, then falling to the champions curse the next year. Since Boxer in 2000-2001, nobody has won consecutive OSLs... Nada is about to attempt it. Oov's period of domination ran from Fall 2003 to Fall 2004, where he won 3 MSLs and 1 OSL. He is 5-0 when he appears in the finals. Savior has appeared in FIVE consecutive MSL finals, and if he makes the next MSL final, he will have dominated the MSL for two entire years. NaDa is the only player to have won OSL+MSL in the same "season" (the finals were 3 weeks apart) but nobody has ever won the OSL+MSL with the games right on top of each other like Savior is attempting to do. Not trying to take anything away from savior, but it's still a fact.On February 19 2007 02:15 muramasa wrote: Right now, it's safe to say that NaDa is #1. No question. SaviOr's current dominance is incredible, but in terms of career results, he's behind the likes of July, Boxer and Oov. I think if he manages to pull off winning the current OSL and MSL, then he will be right behind NaDa. He's not behind July, he's pretty much right next to him. July has 3 major titles (2 OSL titles and one KT KTF Premiere League title) plus 2 runner-ups in OSL. Savior has 3 major titles (all MSL), 1 runner-up in MSL and two finals pending. | ||
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muramasa
Canada1299 Posts
I still like July better. | ||
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fig_newbie
749 Posts
On February 18 2007 13:33 One Page Memory wrote: ![[image loading]](http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/885/oovscaryrecordsz9.jpg) Oov was fucking monster, but Nada deserves more. Christ thats inhuman. I think many people are forgetting that those percentages include individual games, not series. Oov wasn't just winning sets, he was winning them 2-0, 3-0 constantly. Golden bagels V_V. | ||
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DesOndaes
United States61 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
YellOw win starleague ^^; just not OSL. Hot_Bid, your list includes a lot of MSL/OSL seconds for BoxeR and NaDa but omits all of YellOw's MSL seconds. And why shouldn't Snickers be counted? It's not like the competition or prize money or anything was less than in Starleague. The Snickers final was and is still one of my favorites, though the fifth game was pretty anticlimactic. [NaDa lose to 9pool lol?] GiYom won two starleagues, didn't he? Oh and where the heck is Reach on list? He was one of the Four Kings, and still probably most accomplished Protoss of all time in terms of consistency and top finishes. It's a pity he's been in slump for like. a year now. T-T | ||
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