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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-18 02:28:03
February 18 2007 02:26 GMT
#41
On February 18 2007 11:25 ApollyoN wrote:
Nada has been just as influential to bw as Boxer had been. Watch pro-games before Nada's dominance and notice how sloppy and inefficiently they played; even the elite players such as boxer, yellow, and garimto had terrible mechanics. That all changed when Nada came onto the scene. For better or worse, Nada's dominance changed starcraft into a much more macro oriented game, paving the way for players such as iloveoov and savior.
terrible mechanics? not as good as now, but certainly not terrible -.-
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ApollyoN
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1297 Posts
February 18 2007 02:29 GMT
#42
Watch, for instance, the nazgul vs boxer reps on this site. Those games represented top-level tvp but probably wouldnt even be at the level of a decent foreigner today.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
February 18 2007 02:30 GMT
#43
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sOnagi[3.33]
Profile Joined November 2006
Korea (South)886 Posts
February 18 2007 02:34 GMT
#44
i was hoping YellOw would make a comeback and actually win an OSL or something...i feel it would be kinda disappointing to be a really well known progamer and not win the OSL once during your career. can't help feeling a little sorry for the guy, since he's made it to so many finals.
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
February 18 2007 02:35 GMT
#45
On February 18 2007 11:25 ApollyoN wrote:

Sure Boxer had a ton of nice little tricks and moves that we can remember him by but he never really changed the way the game was played fundamentally.


boxer was playing in the micro era. He did change starcraft. WIll all his unorthodox build he was the master of cheese.
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ApollyoN
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1297 Posts
February 18 2007 02:46 GMT
#46
On February 18 2007 11:35 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2007 11:25 ApollyoN wrote:

Sure Boxer had a ton of nice little tricks and moves that we can remember him by but he never really changed the way the game was played fundamentally.


boxer was playing in the micro era. He did change starcraft. WIll all his unorthodox build he was the master of cheese.
If thats all you look at you're missing the big picture. Nada's influence can be seen in pretty much every player that is playing today. What did boxer do that changed how p or z was played? He didn't; his mark on the game was a style that was successful for a couple of years, but his gimmicks couldnt work after Nada changed the game, from about late 2002 until now.
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
February 18 2007 02:55 GMT
#47
Being the greatest isn't just about achievements, little tricks and what not. It's about being Charismatic, and being a people's champion. It's about not just playing a game, but being one with the game.

Loving the game as if it was your lover. you can tell by the way Boxer writes, that he is truly in love with the game. In his interviews a lot of times, he will donate his games to his fans, not playing to win, but playing to entertain them in the best possible way.

No matter how hard anti Boxer fans will put down his achievements or his legacy, boxer will always be talked about no matter what, because that is how GREAT he is.

That is what I call the Greatest.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
Tarte
Profile Joined October 2006
Canada933 Posts
February 18 2007 03:23 GMT
#48
wow @ Grrr ranking.. impressive.

but still, Nal_Ra is and will always be the best Starcraft player to me.
L O V E Y O U
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
February 18 2007 03:48 GMT
#49
On February 18 2007 11:08 Carnac wrote:
The most accomplished yeah, but not "definitely the greatest", there is more to being great than being successful. Note that I am neither saying that Nada isn't great or saying that Boxer is necessarily the greatest, but just that saying Nada is "definitely the greatest" is a bit of a stretch.


When i said definitely the greatest. I meant it on his accomplishments only since everyone above me was showing there achievements and accomplishments
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One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-18 04:34:09
February 18 2007 04:33 GMT
#50
[image loading]

Oov was fucking monster, but Nada deserves more.
Edit: Woot, I'm a vulture
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rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
February 18 2007 04:35 GMT
#51
yeah oov was so fucking SCARY, lol
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-18 04:52:23
February 18 2007 04:49 GMT
#52
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GodsDevil[5thF]
Profile Joined February 2006
Romania622 Posts
February 18 2007 05:02 GMT
#53
If sAviOr wins this osl and msl with this imba maps he is the greatest player of all times.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
February 18 2007 05:06 GMT
#54
On February 18 2007 11:55 Sacajawea wrote:
Being the greatest isn't just about achievements, little tricks and what not. It's about being Charismatic, and being a people's champion. It's about not just playing a game, but being one with the game.

Loving the game as if it was your lover. you can tell by the way Boxer writes, that he is truly in love with the game. In his interviews a lot of times, he will donate his games to his fans, not playing to win, but playing to entertain them in the best possible way.

No matter how hard anti Boxer fans will put down his achievements or his legacy, boxer will always be talked about no matter what, because that is how GREAT he is.

That is what I call the Greatest.


I was about to post pretty much that except you're far better than me at putting it into words.
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JensOfSweden
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Cameroon1767 Posts
February 18 2007 05:10 GMT
#55
Um shouldn't Savior be higher ranked than Giyom?
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Coulthard
Profile Joined September 2005
Greece3359 Posts
February 18 2007 05:11 GMT
#56
On February 18 2007 11:22 Sacajawea wrote:
Boxer is obviously the greatest of all time. and I wouldn't try to argue with me unless you want slaughtered!

damn straight D:
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-18 05:26:19
February 18 2007 05:25 GMT
#57
Very hard to compare Boxer to others somehow.. But anyway Nada is easily the best player of all times and currently no mather how you judge.

He won the last OSL. In the final of this one.. Look at his records and how he dominated the Boxer back then... I really hope he beats Savior in this final to seal the case..

If Savior wins then he is the best player right now, but Nada is still greatest ever
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-18 05:56:08
February 18 2007 05:51 GMT
#58
On February 18 2007 14:25 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Very hard to compare Boxer to others somehow.. But anyway Nada is easily the best player of all times and currently no mather how you judge.


Imho there's a (subtile) difference between "best of all time" and "greatest of all time". I agree that Nada's been the most achieved and probably the most skillful player ever (even though other players might claim that title in the long run too, esp. Savior, but Oov too if he can overcome his slump). But in the word "great" there's imho something wider than that, something definitely more subjective too, which Sacajawea described pretty well in his post.

The combined charisma, skills, extreme consistency, "wow factor", effect on progaming, effect on the game itself, all these things (plus tons more) make Boxer the greatest ever to me, and by a pretty significant margin.

Btw (unrelated to what I've just written),


Look at his records and how he dominated the Boxer back then...


He didn't really dominate Boxer. They actually haven't met much in very important games. Only series I can remember is the KT-KTF final which Nada won. Overall Boxer still has a (slightly) winning record vs him.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
February 18 2007 05:53 GMT
#59
On February 18 2007 13:33 One Page Memory wrote:
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Oov was fucking monster, but Nada deserves more.


Damn, I don't even think Savior has those kind of winning rates (except in ZvP maybe). Fucking scary. T_T
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MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
February 18 2007 05:59 GMT
#60
nice ranking nice to see Grrr still there .

Go draco? xD
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