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Ladder system running would be the best option hehe
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is awesome32277 Posts
Yeah, if it had no ladder everyone will just use OP TL-West instead. Unless everyone suddenly had no cd-keys :D
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wouldn't a dedicated server for tl make the lag less compared to op tl-west?
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is awesome32277 Posts
Well, hamachi works better for that purpose though it lacks a chat.
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On January 29 2007 08:25 thedeadhaji wrote:Hmm less lag perhaps, but if less lag is the goal then you probably cant beat hamachi. Using op tl-west on west server allows these various time killing pursuits: 3v3 bgh vs pubs, 4v4 bgh vs pubs, 2v2 luna vs pubs, etc. The issue I see with a TL only server is that it reduces an already reduced western starcraft playing populace. I think. I hope we're not discouraging you with these "oh noes we wants a ladderz" comments. 
I want to start a ladder, its just that i'm not sure what is involved - if someone can tell me what sort of setup is necessary, then that would be great.
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I set up a pvpgn server at my highscool:D
I only used the standard bnet-ranking though, but modified the scripting at some parts; like getting fastest ladder speed (it's the standard nowadays); and I got some other Icons. Don't remember too much though, but there was some awesome community who spend all their time setting up and modding sc and wc pvpgn servers. Don't remember their names though T_T. Google
edit: and yes I would definately join it; having a TL-only ranking and gaming-platform would be awesome. IMO it should be TL-only though. Like having 100-TLposts limit to set up acc
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ok i'll check that out -- so if a ladder was setup would people on TL be interested in using it, or are people already satisfied with playing on brainclan, fish servers op tl-west or hamachi
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thedeadhaji
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On January 29 2007 08:27 himurakenshin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2007 08:25 thedeadhaji wrote:Hmm less lag perhaps, but if less lag is the goal then you probably cant beat hamachi. Using op tl-west on west server allows these various time killing pursuits: 3v3 bgh vs pubs, 4v4 bgh vs pubs, 2v2 luna vs pubs, etc. The issue I see with a TL only server is that it reduces an already reduced western starcraft playing populace. I think. I hope we're not discouraging you with these "oh noes we wants a ladderz" comments. I want to start a ladder, its just that i'm not sure what is involved - if someone can tell me what sort of setup is necessary, then that would be great.
it probably requires
1) launcher
2) "hooking" into broodwar via this launcher to detect wins and losses
3) laucher communicates with server database to update win/loss as well as points, etc.
actually i guess the launcher isnt required? Just detect all "one on one" games played on the server and update based on that, having specified that "one on one" game mode is the mode for ladder games and all games will be counted towards your record when used.
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I would play it if it had ladder :D
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You don't need a launcher; Guess it's good for anti-hack but what the hell, if only TL were there, say like 50 guys use it, if someone hacked he would be spotted fast and get banned.
When I had it at school we were like 10 players using it; great fun, also it was quite easy to connect it to mysql and have my webpage calculate stuff; drawing diagrams and such.
I would really say it's better/funnier then hamachi/standard bnet. All players stats are pure TL and so on...
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If you want help with coding i bet the guys at bwprogramming can direct you, even give you a hand. I don't know much about it, but good luck with it! =)
Also, i think it would be cool if the staff manage to set up a server here, even if it is simple and based on good will. It'll really enhace the community experience here.
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I think limiting it to people over 100 posts would be a mistake. I think it would be best to avoid making tl.net more good-old-boy than it already is. If you put the energy into making a ladder, why make it irrelevant by capping it only to tl.net regulars?
Also, skip the launcher, but write somewhere that PP is standard practice, so people can still use that most of the time. It won't be mandatory, so there's no regulation involved, but if you're just playing people you don't know, you can most of the time find games where the other person has BWL.
edit: Also, if it got off the ground substantially I bet someone could talk the BWProgammers guys to add us to BWL somehow.
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himurakenshin: We already have a ladder that could be used: The Anywhere Ladder. This (or a special subdivision of it) could be set up to be dedicated to the "TL.net" server, or it could be left open to all servers and just be "required" for this server. Talk to fonger if you're interested - he's already written a launcher for it that records the game results. At any rate, I like it because the ELO system is so much better than the perpetually-reset rank-based system that most ladders use.
However...
On January 29 2007 08:12 JollYRoGeR wrote:
are u bill gates?
This is a good question, because we don't want something that runs for awhile and then goes down. 
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this is an awesome idea
would be cool if it was limited to tl though, and people could see your tl ladder ranking ;D
make a poll is my guess if you want to see how many people would play
i will though
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thedeadhaji
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the absolute BIGGEST advantage of this, would be that all the games in the public games section woudl guarantee some semblance of manner and skill.
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it's weird to see all those ladder trying to building up. If everyone would work together and use a launcher we'd have a new PGT :-(
anyway GOGOGO
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TL-only ladder or no ladder either would be good.
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On January 29 2007 12:02 oddeye wrote:
it's weird to see all those ladder trying to building up. If everyone would work together and use a launcher we'd have a new PGT :-(
anyway GOGOGO
qft. Play Abyss during the day, brainclan at night, Whatever other random ladders (UGT, WCGZ, and the various others) during the late day early evening. If they could just combine to form a "Super Server" that would fuckin' rock. That being said a TL ladder would be awesome, although i suspect it would soon be populated by non tlers (read as hackers, abusers, really bm whiners, etc etc).
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I doubt many people would play this ladder. It needs mass amounts of people to get any respect. People dont put crappy ladders like UGT and Abyss in their profiles. PGT or WGT ladder would be nice.
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hmm
we should just work together and get a new super ladder
i'm sure plenty of people could chip in, and someone has the old pgt code right?
this is what we should focus all our efforts on, we just need a leader
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I can´t see the point in creating a non-ladder-server... You could just join op tl-west imo.
BUT if there were a ladder system I would really apreciate this idea, no matter if it would be for tl-netters only or for everyone.
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Korea (South)11584 Posts
If there was a TL.net ladder, and our Korean users could send it to FighterForum, PGR21 etc... it would be as good as the old PGT/Gamei.
If Ashur and the BWProgrammers.com coders could form a anti-hack, and Chr1s could help out with the map pack etc... this would be by far the best server ever to come into existance.
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Sounds a bit dreamy asian
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Korea (South)11584 Posts
On January 29 2007 15:27 LemOn wrote:Sounds a bit dreamy asian
dreams come tru!
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We don't want any whining bitches from other gay websites, bitching on OUR ladder.
So yes, If Only restricted to TL members  .
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On January 29 2007 14:42 MadGamei wrote:
I doubt many people would play this ladder. It needs mass amounts of people to get any respect. People dont put crappy ladders like UGT and Abyss in their profiles. PGT or WGT ladder would be nice.
Well why does it have to be popular and grow...
a small, gosu, goodmannered server is the way to go~~
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TL-only ladder would be good
Hamachi is a good substitute but like others said it doesn't have a great chat feature
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imo i don't think this would really be helpful
tl-west is a haven for idlers, and this would just reduce the amount of people needed to play team melee with me
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what would be nice is if we had a tl.net type ladder (with anti hack) to replace PGTour
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I would LOVE if his happened. I also have a feeling that if we have this, next time we play the BGHers the result might be different ;p.
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On January 30 2007 04:32 Aphelion02 wrote:
I would LOVE if his happened. I also have a feeling that if we have this, next time we play the BGHers the result might be different ;p.
we LOST to the BGHers ? T_T
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i was trying to make Liquid server but i need to operate PvPgn shits 24 hours. but i have friends who are operating server in korea.
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i might can make Liquid Ladder Server for TL.net
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setting up a PvPGN server isn't difficult, it takes like 5-10 minutes
the difficult thing would be organizing all that player data into a nice website, and of course implementing the anti-hack. it would be really cool if tl.net could integrate their existing user database with PvPGN. it would probably require a new server though, and that would mean more money T_t
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imagine if we could attract a lot of koreans and automatically steal their replays
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Korea (South)11584 Posts
I dont think there is a way to automatically upload replays unless you use an auto-save replay program, and have it automatically upload the replays. I think that's illegal though... not sure.
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Belgium9947 Posts
I think the server would be heavily underpopulated, especially after a week or so
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the guy i know owns server, he knows anything about server, anti hack,pgt icons.. etc
contact espoto@hotamil.com
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would be ... awesome ! :D
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On January 31 2007 05:32 PinkyBoy wrote:
the guy i know owns server, he knows anything about server, anti hack,pgt icons.. etc
contact espoto@hotamil.com
i'll contact him hopefully this should come up soon--the pvpgn server should be up soon, and we should be able to see some basic stats, hopefully some people here can beta test it.
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MyLostTemple
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I don't want some people to jus walk into our TL ladder.
I want to have some nice competition around the site ONLY for members. Strangers often make it bm, or exploit hax and other crap.
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On January 31 2007 12:29 zZygote wrote:
I don't want some people to jus walk into our TL ladder.
I want to have some nice competition around the site ONLY for members. Strangers often make it bm, or exploit hax and other crap.
Maybe we should ban these bad ppl
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On January 30 2007 09:05 CoralReefer wrote:
imagine if we could attract a lot of koreans and automatically steal their replays
then they will stop playing on it after they find out
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thedeadhaji
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On January 31 2007 12:29 zZygote wrote:
I don't want some people to jus walk into our TL ladder.
I want to have some nice competition around the site ONLY for members. Strangers often make it bm, or exploit hax and other crap.
tie it into TL.net accounts, for accountability I guess.
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It could be a good reason to get owned... true. But get owned by tlneters , and that's the difference
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A ladder would be good, like the 30 other people have said. I'd go on this server a lot more, in hopes that some familiar faces and good gamers would be on there. I'm not sure that the ladder is ALL that necessary, since there's always the option that it's open to anyone. If the "Restricted to TL.Net Users Only" vote wins, then definitely a ladder. That provides one more way to compete, aside from the games themselves.
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Korea (South)11584 Posts
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want to play some games;; i lose very easily
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omg this is soooooooooo aweeeeesomeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!! ggggggg!!!!!
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omg cool im gonna play on it
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If it was made TL only there would probably be an influx of retarded posters trying to get an account on TL to get access to the ladder if the ladder got good.
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On February 01 2007 20:35 skyglow1 wrote:
If it was made TL only there would probably be an influx of retarded posters trying to get an account on TL to get access to the ladder if the ladder got good.
Exactly my tought, there is no use to make it TL-restricted. This will either attract less people -- or it will force people to make an account here.
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Make it a invite based thing, with some trusted members getting it. The invites would be tied to TL accounts for both the inviter and the invitee. The inviter would also have to be responsible for anyone they allow on.
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On February 01 2007 20:50 Aphelion02 wrote:
Make it a invite based thing, with some trusted members getting it. The invites would be tied to TL accounts for both the inviter and the invitee. The inviter would also have to be responsible for anyone they allow on.
Then the ladder is not anywhere near active enough and dies out eventually.
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this is a great idea... i'd totally support it 100%
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i've been on the server several times, and no one else active seems to be on. But it's working fine as far as connecting.
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Awesome. Only 2 persons playing one game atm though
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On February 01 2007 20:35 skyglow1 wrote:
If it was made TL only there would probably be an influx of retarded posters trying to get an account on TL to get access to the ladder if the ladder got good.
would give the baninators some time to flex their ban sticks
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Didnt know it was working!!!, update the topic title!
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United States43032 Posts
Was on there earlier. 2 guys online playing each other. Was thinking, would it be possible for someone who can host to leave an 8 player game open. That would mean other people could do the lat trick with him and therefore creating game problems would be removed. Just make a game called lat trick when you go afk. Would be really helpful for me, and others who can't make.
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My name is JoyJoy, its kind of dead : P Im all aloone.
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You could have it tl only but they would have to be a member for a certain amount of time or a minimum post count?
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I was on, met like 1 person. Saw like 3 other people, wth? lol.
No one else is on.......
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On February 03 2007 20:05 Yogurt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2007 20:35 skyglow1 wrote:
If it was made TL only there would probably be an influx of retarded posters trying to get an account on TL to get access to the ladder if the ladder got good. would give the baninators some time to flex their ban sticks
Then TL ladder is known as a ladder where you have to be one of the original TL.netters to get in or something. New posters signing up and who get banned would give a bad rep to the ladder.
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umm on that pvpgn server its not letting me make an account it's saying there all taken. even when i got 2g24ggwewhwe , so how and where do we make accounts for that server?
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On February 04 2007 15:16 XCetron wrote:
I was on, met like 1 person. Saw like 3 other people, wth? lol.
No one else is on.......
yea it is pretty dead right now i think they should make a news post
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On February 19 2007 06:04 Ssj3 wrote:
umm on that pvpgn server its not letting me make an account it's saying there all taken. even when i got 2g24ggwewhwe , so how and where do we make accounts for that server?
Not sure.. but i think you gotta use your TL.NET account and password -_-.
And yeah.. Kinda terribly Dead at the moment, they should make news -.-
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On February 19 2007 06:08 Tarte wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2007 06:04 Ssj3 wrote:
umm on that pvpgn server its not letting me make an account it's saying there all taken. even when i got 2g24ggwewhwe , so how and where do we make accounts for that server? Not sure.. but i think you gotta use your TL.NET account and password -_-. And yeah.. Kinda terribly Dead at the moment, they should make news -.-
Tried that, didn't work :/
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