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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 02:20:06
January 20 2007 23:42 GMT
#1
MOVIE TF]pLAsMa

http://www.tdfrance.org/index.php?op=viewnews&nid=265
(scroll to bottom and you will find in blue two download sources; after a few days I will add direct link here)

I don't have time right now to get a screen shot and write up a nice article about it, though it deserves one. I might do later and post it at ScLegacy - get me a couple of nice screenshots someone, will credit) but finally a movie with short intro & credits, decent content and a new style. He abuses effects a little but I actually liked his somewhat tacky abuse - made it fun.

9/10 in my books, into my collection.

Objective of movie promote TDFRANCE.org and the French Terran player Plasma.
Result: Successful.

More!
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neSix
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1772 Posts
January 21 2007 00:54 GMT
#2
Thanks Physician, you are so fucking awesome ^^
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
January 21 2007 00:57 GMT
#3
what does "lien" mean..in that context? anyone know?
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OctoPuSs
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Canada5279 Posts
January 21 2007 01:13 GMT
#4
lien means link
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RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
January 21 2007 01:15 GMT
#5
the moves arent really nice, just mines exploding into goons without obs and him attackmoving with 200/200 tanks into a 120/200 protoss army
theres even an excerpt where he 'brags' that he doesnt micro "no micro k?"
the editing is nice though
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Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
January 21 2007 01:19 GMT
#6
Very good editing in the video... Some very funny moments, and the bloom effect is so cool on rockets from valks and golies... 8/10
Larva
Profile Joined November 2005
United States363 Posts
January 21 2007 02:08 GMT
#7
IMO that guy was shit, seriously.

I've probably went against many D rank PGT people who are better than him, half the time he doesn't do shit and the opponent just does retarded things.

Best editing/scenes I've seen are from Quake 3 movies, download any of the top DLed/favorite Q3 movies on www.own-age.com

Most of them are mindblowing and amazing.
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The.Crow
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
619 Posts
January 21 2007 02:25 GMT
#8
http://www.meetyourmakers.com/scene/3155.html
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 02:29:01
January 21 2007 02:27 GMT
#9
# Larva You are unfair though, he is not a D player by any standard; even though the movie is just movie about StarCraft, we can't all be Boxer. Now if you really think this movie is shit then you probably think all our movies are shit. Give me an example of a movie from own-age.com that impressed you as gosu, and I will check it out. Might be good exercise for our movie makers too.
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snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 02:44:01
January 21 2007 02:43 GMT
#10
editing is nice for a SC movie!
was entertaining to watch

but Larva is right, Q3 movies are the best when it comes to style and editing
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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
January 21 2007 02:52 GMT
#11
give us an example snowbird ~
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Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
January 21 2007 03:04 GMT
#12
On January 21 2007 11:43 snowbird wrote:
editing is nice for a SC movie!
was entertaining to watch

but Larva is right, Q3 movies are the best when it comes to style and editing

FPS and RTS videos are completely different. Whereas in FPS you have much more "visceral" scenes such as rocket launchers, headshots, aerial flying, etc... In RTS most of the highlights are more strategical or micro-based. It's much easier to edit and compile "cool" Q3 scenes than for a 10 year old 640x480 RTS game...
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
January 21 2007 04:53 GMT
#13
Excellent video, perfect music, top notch editing. Although most of the good plays are near the end.
Yeppo[manner]
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)3 Posts
January 21 2007 05:13 GMT
#14
Thanks Physician ^_^
north or south we are one KOREA ^_^
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
January 21 2007 05:18 GMT
#15
Dling, many thx physician
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
January 21 2007 05:27 GMT
#16
I like it:D Nice editing skills and quite funny

like "MONSTER KILL" or whatever it said when stuff died

and "Whoops" when marine diead haha
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
January 21 2007 06:11 GMT
#17
Very entertaining, but not impressive skill-wise. I loved the UT2K4 announcer voices used since that is my fav FPS game of all time
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
January 21 2007 06:13 GMT
#18
On January 21 2007 11:08 Larva wrote:
IMO that guy was shit, seriously.

I've probably went against many D rank PGT people who are better than him, half the time he doesn't do shit and the opponent just does retarded things.

Best editing/scenes I've seen are from Quake 3 movies, download any of the top DLed/favorite Q3 movies on www.own-age.com

Most of them are mindblowing and amazing.


Maybe you would like to point out specifically what you didnt like about the movie, rather than just saying it was shit? Because otherwise, your post kind of sucks =(
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Larva
Profile Joined November 2005
United States363 Posts
January 21 2007 06:18 GMT
#19
On January 21 2007 15:13 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2007 11:08 Larva wrote:
IMO that guy was shit, seriously.

I've probably went against many D rank PGT people who are better than him, half the time he doesn't do shit and the opponent just does retarded things.

Best editing/scenes I've seen are from Quake 3 movies, download any of the top DLed/favorite Q3 movies on www.own-age.com

Most of them are mindblowing and amazing.


Maybe you would like to point out specifically what you didnt like about the movie, rather than just saying it was shit? Because otherwise, your post kind of sucks =(


Basically like that "no micro k thx" or whatever was pretty retarded. I mean the scene was pretty cool but that comment kinda ruined it. Sometimes, the action was pretty passive and otherwise sometimes kinda seemed pointless. Also theres one drop where he lost most of his units while the Protoss lost only a few zealots and maybe like a shutle or something that wasn't really impressive. The only thing I thought that was cool was when Plasma was blue, sent in SCVs then rushed in, that I liked. Either way, I was being too harsh, sorry. The editing was good but I think scenes like the probe and scv blocking each other's way for a while (like showing it for like 30 sec was useless) and other times where no action took place for a while was annoying for me, I don't know.
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
January 21 2007 06:28 GMT
#20
I thought the SCV/probe scene was planned out to show them dancing. Like an intermission. Like I said, very entertaining. I liked it a lot.

His skills were shown when he blocked the ramp with medics a couple times and his usage of mass idle SCVs. Otherwise nothing special.

Still... final word is any BW fan will be entertained watching this.
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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
January 21 2007 06:50 GMT
#21
I am still waiting for an example of these "fantastic" quake movies...
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 21 2007 06:54 GMT
#22
Good player or bad, the effort is nice and sharing is caring. Ty Entropy <3
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 08:04:22
January 21 2007 07:05 GMT
#23
On January 21 2007 12:04 Gokey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2007 11:43 snowbird wrote:
editing is nice for a SC movie!
was entertaining to watch

but Larva is right, Q3 movies are the best when it comes to style and editing

FPS and RTS videos are completely different. Whereas in FPS you have much more "visceral" scenes such as rocket launchers, headshots, aerial flying, etc... In RTS most of the highlights are more strategical or micro-based. It's much easier to edit and compile "cool" Q3 scenes than for a 10 year old 640x480 RTS game...


well you're right, it's difficult to make a 8 year old 2Dgame like starcraft look "cool" in a movie. but that's not the (only) reason why Q3 movies are superior to any SC movie i have seen so far. i'm talking about special effects, intros/outros, synchronization of music, dramatic elements, etc. the Q3 movie scene is (or was) pretty big and the makers of the best movies spent 100hours+ of editing.

but i'll give some examples so you can decide for yourself:

Defrag Revolution: http://files.filefront.com/defrag revolution/;3862771;;/fileinfo.html

this movie is about runs in a Q3 addon called Defrag. the objective of the player is to reach the end of a complicated map in the most efficient/fastest way. this movie is sick.

Tricking iT 2: http://files.filefront.com/sp tricking iT2/;3156182;;/fileinfo.html

this is a Trick Jump movie with really crazy nice editing

Annihilation: http://sysonline.hu/pafiledb/index.php?act=view&id=21

this is a classic Frag-Movie. the best/coolest kills etc. the editing on this one maybe not as good as on others, but i specially like this one because you can see how much of an effort was made to match the music with the scenes. love the outro too.

the dls are pretty big, but i can assure you, it's worth it. if you never played q3, you may not notice how godlike these moves are, but it will still be entertaining.
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Larva
Profile Joined November 2005
United States363 Posts
January 21 2007 07:26 GMT
#24
On January 21 2007 15:50 Physician wrote:
I am still waiting for an example of these "fantastic" quake movies...


Didn't I say, ANY top DLed Q3 movie will do, ANY in the first page will impress you.

You want to be impressed quickly? Watch "Badge 3" Q3 frag highlight. 7 minutes only, yet one of my favorites of all time. Amazing everything. Music was syncronized with frags and everything was pretty much flawless.

Yet, SC movies can look very good. The Pimpest Plays movies never dissapointed me and always left me astounded by how the movie was well made and how the scenes were neatly put. Also, I think the first one wasn't organized from 15-1 or however it went, it was random, which I also liked. The movie didn't waste time and the music, editing, and especially the plays were very pimp.
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
January 21 2007 07:27 GMT
#25
That was an okish movie. Just the highlights weren't that awesome. I really liked it when I think he musta used hold or stop to make his medics stay put on the ramp and not be scattered around by the drone drill, that was very nice.
Larva
Profile Joined November 2005
United States363 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 07:29:58
January 21 2007 07:28 GMT
#26
On January 21 2007 16:05 snowbird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2007 12:04 Gokey wrote:
On January 21 2007 11:43 snowbird wrote:
editing is nice for a SC movie!
was entertaining to watch

but Larva is right, Q3 movies are the best when it comes to style and editing

FPS and RTS videos are completely different. Whereas in FPS you have much more "visceral" scenes such as rocket launchers, headshots, aerial flying, etc... In RTS most of the highlights are more strategical or micro-based. It's much easier to edit and compile "cool" Q3 scenes than for a 10 year old 640x480 RTS game...


well you're right, it's difficult to make a 8 year old 2Dgame like starcraft look "cool" in a movie. but that's not the (only) reason why Q3 movies are superior to any SC movie i have seen so far. i'm talking about special effects, intros/outros, synchronization of music, dramatic elements, etc. the Q3 movie scene is (or was) pretty big and the makers of the best movies spent 100hours+ of editing.

but i'll give some examples so you can decide for yourself:

Cetus the Movie 2: http://files.filefront.com/cetus the movie 2 final/;3824730;;/fileinfo.html

this movie is about runs in a Q3 addon called Defrag. the objective of the player is to reach the end of a complicated map in the most efficient/fastest way. this movie is sick.

Tricking iT 2: http://files.filefront.com/sp tricking iT2/;3156182;;/fileinfo.html

this is a Trick Jump movie with really crazy nice editing

Annihilation: http://sysonline.hu/pafiledb/index.php?act=view&id=21

this is a classic Frag-Movie. the best/coolest kills etc. the editing on this one maybe not as good as on others, but i specially like this one because you can see how much of an effort was made to match the music with the scenes. love the outro too.

the dls are pretty big, but i can assure you, it's worth it. if you never played q3, you may not notice how godlike these moves are, but it will still be entertaining.


Defrag on Q3 is amazingly hard. After being very impressed (since I only played Q3 regularly without any mods) I tried Defrag, it was amazingly hard but very impressive. I could only finish some maps with horrible times while other people (especially from iT, Infinite Trajectory) can finish them in blazing times, which many of their members hold records in some Defrag maps I believe.

EDIT: WATCH the iT Defrag clan movie, possibly my #1 or #2 pick of my favorite Q3 video. Flawless and the ending is pretty hilarious.
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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 07:51:37
January 21 2007 07:33 GMT
#27
"WATCH the iT Defrag clan movie" < will check.

http://www.own-age.com/search.aspx?in=videos&query="iT Defrag"&match=

larva link will help, there is like 10,000 movies in that site // I searched it - can't find. Will check badge 3 I guess...
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snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 08:03:12
January 21 2007 07:37 GMT
#28
On January 21 2007 16:26 Larva wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2007 15:50 Physician wrote:
I am still waiting for an example of these "fantastic" quake movies...


Didn't I say, ANY top DLed Q3 movie will do, ANY in the first page will impress you.

You want to be impressed quickly? Watch "Badge 3" Q3 frag highlight. 7 minutes only, yet one of my favorites of all time. Amazing everything. Music was syncronized with frags and everything was pretty much flawless.

Yet, SC movies can look very good. The Pimpest Plays movies never dissapointed me and always left me astounded by how the movie was well made and how the scenes were neatly put. Also, I think the first one wasn't organized from 15-1 or however it went, it was random, which I also liked. The movie didn't waste time and the music, editing, and especially the plays were very pimp.


yeah, i like batch 3 too, the awesome classical music fits the movie very well.

but i like defrag movies the best, i get shivers when i watch it :p
pressure: watch cetus the movie 2! (dunno about the other one larva mentioned, should be good too)

EDIT: i mixed that up, cetus the movie 2 is good, but what i had in mind was "defrag revolution" http://files.filefront.com/defrag revolution/;3862771;;/fileinfo.html

watch that one:p
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
January 21 2007 08:15 GMT
#29
I just watched Cetus... I'm not a Q3 player so perhaps this is why I found it interesting for the first few minutes, then found it insanely repetitive and shut it off. The music was cool and I'm glad the MP3s came with the RAR but meh, how long can you enjoy watching rocket jumps and whatever-the-fuck-glowing-ball-gunning-against-the-wall jumps? Defrag or frag, Q3 movies bore me after a few minutes. Like it's all "ooh ahh" with some of the frags, but after a few minutes you've seen enough. I know they're all stuff I can't do in the game, but still very repetitive.
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
January 21 2007 08:21 GMT
#30
guys, stop saying how bad the player is and how first person shooters such as Quake 3 are alot better, just apprecieate the movie
Larva
Profile Joined November 2005
United States363 Posts
January 21 2007 08:24 GMT
#31
On January 21 2007 17:15 EscPlan9 wrote:
I just watched Cetus... I'm not a Q3 player so perhaps this is why I found it interesting for the first few minutes, then found it insanely repetitive and shut it off. The music was cool and I'm glad the MP3s came with the RAR but meh, how long can you enjoy watching rocket jumps and whatever-the-fuck-glowing-ball-gunning-against-the-wall jumps? Defrag or frag, Q3 movies bore me after a few minutes. Like it's all "ooh ahh" with some of the frags, but after a few minutes you've seen enough. I know they're all stuff I can't do in the game, but still very repetitive.


You don't have you be, and the jumps are all different... I've pretty much seen all in BW. Even the permanent distruption web that caused a lot of "whoas" and "good idea" comments? I already knew that and my friend used it in a Phantom UMS just for fun. It caused a lot of creative ideas from me and my friends and we played for hours nonstop. My friend is a map maker and he does a lot of weird stuff just to experiment. He doesn't really have a community (www.staredit.net) and he just makes maps just for the Hell of it, although they are really good.

Anyways, I play FPS and RTS, and I appreciated both movies, I'm just saying that SC movie didn't meet up to expectations. I have a lot of SC movies saved onto my HD which I believe is a lot better than the one with TF]pLAsMa. It's just my opinion, you can disagree or not.
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snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
January 21 2007 08:26 GMT
#32
On January 21 2007 17:15 EscPlan9 wrote:
I just watched Cetus... I'm not a Q3 player so perhaps this is why I found it interesting for the first few minutes, then found it insanely repetitive and shut it off. The music was cool and I'm glad the MP3s came with the RAR but meh, how long can you enjoy watching rocket jumps and whatever-the-fuck-glowing-ball-gunning-against-the-wall jumps? Defrag or frag, Q3 movies bore me after a few minutes. Like it's all "ooh ahh" with some of the frags, but after a few minutes you've seen enough. I know they're all stuff I can't do in the game, but still very repetitive.


yeah that's true. but imagine you never played SC, doubt you would find any of the "pimpest-plays" pimp. i just watched q3 movies for 1 hour and never got bored.
but let's just appreciate the time and effort spent into making such a movie (be it sc or q3).
i think everyone can agree on that. happy happy!
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Larva
Profile Joined November 2005
United States363 Posts
January 21 2007 08:26 GMT
#33
On January 21 2007 16:33 Physician wrote:
"WATCH the iT Defrag clan movie" < will check.

http://www.own-age.com/search.aspx?in=videos&query="iT Defrag"&match=

larva link will help, there is like 10,000 movies in that site // I searched it - can't find. Will check badge 3 I guess...


http://www.own-age.com/vids/1329

That's the link to the page, which also links to various mirrors also. I just didn't want to give you the direct link just in case, but here it is anyways.

http://files.filefront.com/iT DeFrag/;2143959;;/fileinfo.html
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42673 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 08:38:00
January 21 2007 08:33 GMT
#34
The effects were overdone. Admittedly there was not much going on during them but even so, instead of having a bad scene involving unmicroed goons dying to unmicroed tanks and then making the screen wavy to distract you he could just have a good scene. I got the feeling most of his opponents were noobs, I could have microed a lot better myself in the majority of situations. Didn't quite get the point of the "no micro k" scene or when his supply depot almost died. I mean okay, he almost lost his depot. Gosu. Not losing buildings to probe harass is expected. There was absolutely no point to the scv probe thing. In fact, though I'm still watching it I'd say in the vast majority of scenes there is absolutely no micro by either player. It just shows you whats happening. So he lost a lot of goons to mines, did plasma actually do anything there, no. Should his enemies use obs next time, yes. Drop scene, again no micro. The one bit of micro he did was to lose a goli to tank friendly fire. Ok, he may be a good macroer and strategist but you can't show those in starcraft movies. Starcraft movies are about one thing, cool micro. And I have yet to see any in this movie. Just effects which make my head hurt and completely unmicroed armies fighting. Ah, finally, tank friendly fire beats lurker. I mean sure, he's clearly watching the lurker destroy his factory as he's moving the marine. And he's not lifting the factory for some reason which he doesn't tell us. But that aside, he actually does something this scene. Apart from accidentally losing a building worth 200/100 to a unit costing 125/125 when he could choose not to. He does a friendly fire kill. So well done for that. On to the next scene, he uses mass scv to break a contain on gaia. Now, knowing the map gaia I can say he has access to the high ground at the side, which had 2 tanks on. Or he could go down the centre with heavy losses against most the tanks. I don't get which part of this scene is meant to convince me. Send scv tank along the high ground, siege up around the expo there and smash his contain with mass tank from the high ground. It's not rocket science. Sure you used scvs to do it the hard way and you lost dozens of them. And when you expo you'll be regretting that. It wasn't great micro and showed particularly poor logic. Next scene, zees vs depot. I challenge team liquid as a whole to go 1v1 lost temple pvt and find any random noob, even on east, who doesn't repair the depot when you try and break the wall. What is the movie maker trying to show me here? That he can avoid being noob bashed on lt? Great. Thanks. Ah. Some nicely placed mines in this scene. Admittedly helped by the toss players denial that there were mines there but never the less the terran player did something this scene. And given most of the movie so far that is to be applauded. Next scene demonstrates his clear ability to attack move with an army 3x the size of the protoss one. What are you showing me here? You got stormed and didn't dodge. You just moved forwards with your massive army and won. Well played. Ok, he recalls some guys unprotected main and kills it. This guy btw will actually lift factories when being attacked on the ground..... Anyway, he then recalls the guys army and wasted a lot of goons by recalling onto mines. Sends in another army and wins anyway through numbers. Just a hint but when you're trying to work out who the good player in this scene is, the one who placed mines in a recall spot so they owned the protoss or the one who keeps sending in more units and wins eventually somethings gone wrong. Ah, the med wall. A gosu technique. See it hold off 10 zerglings and an ultralisk. I am fairly unimpressed with that. Friendly firebat fire kills lurker. I suppose you get some points for that. But you had a comsat right there. If it had no energy I'll give you that. Ok, whats this. The woops scene where he completely cocks up 2 rines vs lurk. The rine with dmatrix stays behind and the undefended one dies. This is an antimicro scene, demonstrating how bad this players micro is. Why is this here? At least most the scenes didn't involve micro in any way so the player at least didn't come out looking bad. Vult vs goon wasn't bad but it's worth noting the P player didn't do anything throughout that scene. It was micro vs no micro. Again with the med wall. It was only 2 meds, had the ultralisks attacked them it would be broken. Pretty standard micro vs no micro is hardly impressive. Gosu scv kills an archon which has about 10 hp. Please find me the starcraft player who, given 10 scvs and an archon with 10 hp could not finish it off. More mines vs goons. Again the protoss just stands there in denial instead of fire retreat fire retreat. Micro vs no micro is not selling your gosu technique to me. Though given the first 6 minutes I should be glad at least one of the players is microing.

All in all, I didn't like it. The effects weren't great and the scenes used were boring. I suppose he can only work with the games he's played, if he's not a great micro player he can't include that. But if those are the best examples of his play he could find then he should be making a movie about someone else.
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Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
January 21 2007 08:36 GMT
#35
Omg, that wall of text violated me =(
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
January 21 2007 08:39 GMT
#36
Good video, the first half was pretty sub par but there were some impressive clips toward the end, very enjoyable. 8/10. Mym.Raven's movie is the best one I've seen so far though.
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 09:01:02
January 21 2007 08:58 GMT
#37
To derail the thread further into discussion of Q3... the types of skills shown in Q3 movies versus BW movies are quite different. The Q3 frag movies only highlight sick aiming and predicting skills, nothing strategical. I know there are strategies in FPS games - I play UT2K4 regularly and know about timing the health and shield pickups and whatnot, but frag movies never show that. I feel like the point is well-established the players have sick aiming skills, but that's it. Once you accept they have great aiming, but you're not watching any strategy, you're really just watching the same thing over and over again. Why not just watch an aimbot do sick aiming if that's the case?

With BW movies you often find inventive ways of handling the situation and situations which require a great deal more micro and multi-tasking, so you can appreciate them more.

Oh, but there's no denying the amount of effort that goes into these videos. And the usage of music to link up with the action is done better in Q3, although admittedly, it is much easier to synchronize with an FPS than an RTS. With an RTS you're not so much highlighting one kill after the other, so you can't have the music synchronize with every shot or kill or whatever.
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 09:06:47
January 21 2007 09:06 GMT
#38
An example of an FPS video I liked, also of a game I don't play is with Counterstrike. I believe the video was called PubMasters. It showed some unusual strategies (at least unusual to me), some humorous footage, some well-coordinated (faked) but interesting events, and some great kills. It had the better parts of the frag movies, combined with strategy and entertainment.

BTW: I don't like Counterstrike. I'm a UT2K4 player and can't deal with the slow-paced FPS games.
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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 10:19:15
January 21 2007 09:31 GMT
#39
# Larva

I just watched four of the mentioned fps movies.. they have of course 3d game engines in 1st person and 3rd person perspective that gives them more to work on..also in many of those movies they need multiple players to achieve them.. still as movie goes ..some are decent, some are bad, and all are just collections of game play clips - just like in our movies. For these reasons I too can say I have seen some much "better" and more entraining WOW movies, even though I do not play wow , than those q3 movies - but I don't cause to compare them is pointless..

Calling the movie "shit" is a good way to discourage people from trying at all to make movies, or even for its creator to bother next time. It was also terribly unfair since this movie is by no means "shit", in fact it is above average as our movies go. Movie making in our community is a rather recent activity too, and most of us here concentrate on playing, rather than being actors and/or movie making. Be thankful we have a few movie makers that even bother.

BTW.. Staredit.net is a community in itself with over 2000 members, why dis SEN saying its not a community? And why bring to mention the concept for using permanent web in competition gaming in this thread? It was actually new to everyone. Of course many of us have seen them in UMS and guys like deathknight have even made waterfalls out of them.. but it had not occurred to any one to actually use them in a well balanced melee map, at the chokes, for competition games.. and that was what was new.. why dis the idea? And what does it have to do with this thread? And whats wrong with people going "whoa" and "wow" here at tl.net with a good idea? It's better than "oh I've seen it all" & this is "shit"..

When you called this movie "shit" I was kind of expecting that you had indeed seen some glorious movies in other games. I watched a few and did not find this.. I gave you the benefit of the doubt initially but after watching the not so "glorious" q3 movies I have concluded your just an FPS crackhead discing our community & our movies. Had you been right I would have realized you had reason to compare - but neither did I see new ideas nor any gaming Spielberg..
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Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
January 21 2007 09:43 GMT
#40
methinks physician needs 2 stars
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
January 21 2007 10:20 GMT
#41
Let me quote one of the greatest philosophers of our time:
"Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to suffering." (Yoda)
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
January 21 2007 10:22 GMT
#42
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snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
January 21 2007 10:23 GMT
#43
Or was it: Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to power. Power leads to victory?
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Larva
Profile Joined November 2005
United States363 Posts
January 21 2007 10:51 GMT
#44
On January 21 2007 18:31 Physician wrote:
# Larva

I just watched four of the mentioned fps movies.. they have of course 3d game engines in 1st person and 3rd person perspective that gives them more to work on..also in many of those movies they need multiple players to achieve them.. still as movie goes ..some are decent, some are bad, and all are just collections of game play clips - just like in our movies. For these reasons I too can say I have seen some much "better" and more entraining WOW movies, even though I do not play wow , than those q3 movies - but I don't cause to compare them is pointless..

Calling the movie "shit" is a good way to discourage people from trying at all to make movies, or even for its creator to bother next time. It was also terribly unfair since this movie is by no means "shit", in fact it is above average as our movies go. Movie making in our community is a rather recent activity too, and most of us here concentrate on playing, rather than being actors and/or movie making. Be thankful we have a few movie makers that even bother.

BTW.. Staredit.net is a community in itself with over 2000 members, why dis SEN saying its not a community? And why bring to mention the concept for using permanent web in competition gaming in this thread? It was actually new to everyone. Of course many of us have seen them in UMS and guys like deathknight have even made waterfalls out of them.. but it had not occurred to any one to actually use them in a well balanced melee map, at the chokes, for competition games.. and that was what was new.. why dis the idea? And what does it have to do with this thread? And whats wrong with people going "whoa" and "wow" here at tl.net with a good idea? It's better than "oh I've seen it all" & this is "shit"..

When you called this movie "shit" I was kind of expecting that you had indeed seen some glorious movies in other games. I watched a few and did not find this.. I gave you the benefit of the doubt initially but after watching the not so "glorious" q3 movies I have concluded your just an FPS crackhead discing our community & our movies. Had you been right I would have realized you had reason to compare - but neither did I see new ideas nor any gaming Spielberg..


FPS Crackhead? I still play more BW than I do FPS, and the only FPS I play so far is Soldat (if you coutn that one) and Q3 (rarely anymore, I suck major balls).

I don't know why you gave that movie a 9/10. I understand making those movies is hard work, but a 9/10 among other SC movies which I know you've probably seen which are better? Of course you don't think Q3 movies are impressive becuase you don't play any probably, although I'm just predicting. I PLAY BOTH and I'm only saying THIS movie sucked, and not any other SC movies.

BTW, I said my friend is NOT in a MAP MAKING COMMUNITY (MAP MAKING CLAN SUCH AS (U) IN USEAST) or Staredit.net. That is what I meant, not STaredit.net isn't a community. Jesus, I already love that site to the fullest and I go to it almost everyday just to read articles, browse the forums and try some new maps, I never meant that Staredit.net isn't a large SC map community. I was saying that my friend just makes maps for his own amusement and doesn't really communicate with other map makers and only really learns by himself and articles and stuff.

Also, the UMS Phantom is close to melee as the objective is to kill the "Phantom." I know it isn't a melee game, but it was still fun and I understand how permanent d-web can be used in a map with those webs at chokes and etc.

I've seen WoW movies, but I haven't played WoW since I'm too poor (sniffle). I've seen the vids and I'm only kinda confused when I watch, but I know I should be impressed. I don't call WoW movies shit because I don't know what SHIT is since I never played it. I've played RTS (SC, C&C '95 to Zero Hour) to FPS (Quake 1/Doom 3 to Quake 4/Half-Life 2) and atleast I have an idea of what I'm talking about since I watch RTS and FPS movies too. Whatever, since you're probably the favorite in this discussion, you win do whatever you want with me after this post, ban or whatnot.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 21:16:16
January 21 2007 14:11 GMT
#45
Look, Physician, we all appreciate the efforts these people make.

HAVING SAID THAT, there is no earthly way you can give this movie a 9/10. We need to be realistic here.

The moves are uninspiring (wow, you can attack-move as well as medblock away like...10 zerglings...), the effects hurt your eyes and are overdone, the music transitions are too jarring and abrupt, you can't tell which player is supposed to be Plasma in some scenes, you can't even tell which player is supposed to be good in some scenes.

There are a ton of Starcraft movies that are better than this. For example:

Tribute to Space Marines
Pimpest Play movies
anything by dyo
Art of Protoss
XvX
Raven
Enemy
July Highlights (the old one by XellOs_Pluto)

and many, MANY more. I have eight GB of starcraft highlight movies on my hard drive (with even more ones that I thought were poorly-made deleted), and I can safely say this is one of the worse ones that is on there right now, and I'm really considering deleting this as well. To say that this is better than 90% of all other starcraft movies is blasphemy and truly insulting to those that make better movies

this deserves a 4/10, at most.
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
January 21 2007 14:15 GMT
#46
Physician I think you need to look at more starcraft videos like the better made ones that GI listed before you give this a 9/10 -_-
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-21 22:32:43
January 21 2007 22:27 GMT
#47
Argue, argue, argue, pointless nit picking non stop.. it never will stop.. why I even bother.. I'd rather encourage and promote than go around claiming its a 4/10 movie, which it is not, besides when it comes to appreciation of any art it is all a question of tastes.. have a heart with these movie makers, quit being so freaking hard on them or we will get less and less people posting their movies/ideas here at teamliquid.. which was the very reason the author of this movie never even bothered to share it with us...wtf for? everyone knows you will just get flamed regardless by someone.. you all know what I mean too.

I do admire the brave; go make a movie plz ~
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Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 21 2007 22:49 GMT
#48
I thought the editing and effects were quite nice, while the text (i.e. "whoops" "no micro k") and "monster kill" sound effects were very distracting and perhaps even annoying... but that's my personal taste I suppose. The presentation was so professional, and yet for me, those two things seemed rather childish.

about the tosses just suiciding into mines without observers... well, no comment i guess. =X
chiflutz
Profile Joined June 2006
Romania1025 Posts
January 21 2007 23:38 GMT
#49
While we're on this topic, my friend hydrarulz here made a movie back when we were old-school players who thought 60 apm was gosu. I'd appreciate it if you could d/l it, watch it and comment a bit. Larva, Physician, GI, skyglow and haji, you're more than welcome to give it a look.
It's around 90 megs.
http://ingame.ingame.de/filebase/index.php/?action=download&fid=3242&cid=395
kt violet Korea (South). July 27 2012 15:54. Posts 23
paaltje
Profile Joined October 2004
Netherlands359 Posts
January 21 2007 23:43 GMT
#50
i gonna make my own movie too !
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 22 2007 00:14 GMT
#51
On January 22 2007 08:38 chiflutz wrote:
While we're on this topic, my friend hydrarulz here made a movie back when we were old-school players who thought 60 apm was gosu. I'd appreciate it if you could d/l it, watch it and comment a bit. Larva, Physician, GI, skyglow and haji, you're more than welcome to give it a look.
It's around 90 megs.
http://ingame.ingame.de/filebase/index.php/?action=download&fid=3242&cid=395


hehe i liked the synching of the marine shooting and music scream, as well as the carrier stasis part. Most ofthe content was you know um, 60apm gosu, but oh wells. At the end though... that terran could have gotten through the pylon prison by just lifting his port haha.
HydraRulz
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Romania36 Posts
January 22 2007 07:01 GMT
#52
well 60-80 APM was gosu .

is it not??!?!?!?
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
January 22 2007 10:20 GMT
#53
On January 22 2007 08:38 chiflutz wrote:
While we're on this topic, my friend hydrarulz here made a movie back when we were old-school players who thought 60 apm was gosu. I'd appreciate it if you could d/l it, watch it and comment a bit. Larva, Physician, GI, skyglow and haji, you're more than welcome to give it a look.
It's around 90 megs.
http://ingame.ingame.de/filebase/index.php/?action=download&fid=3242&cid=395


I have that already, actually. It's a fine movie. Haven't seen it in a while but I didn't think it particularly bad or good.
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-22 11:21:32
January 22 2007 10:39 GMT
#54
Dling that movie now chilfutz.

Nicely done, that was pretty good.
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
January 22 2007 11:15 GMT
#55
Nice movie, really enjoyed watching it. Pro editing with visuals and music, really nice work!
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chiflutz
Profile Joined June 2006
Romania1025 Posts
January 23 2007 08:45 GMT
#56
My friend would say thanks, but he's sleeping right now.
On January 22 2007 19:39 skyglow1 wrote:
Dling that movie now chilfutz.

Gotta love my nick.
kt violet Korea (South). July 27 2012 15:54. Posts 23
HydraRulz
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Romania36 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-23 13:55:44
January 23 2007 13:54 GMT
#57
well, i say thanks right now.

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