• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:32
CEST 03:32
KST 10:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!27Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week4Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Starcraft2 player guess game is Coming~! Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey!
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 540 Dodge This The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! [ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group E [ASL22] Ro24 Group F [ASL22] Ro24 Group D Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Replay Review Process - What do you do? Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3423 users

Hypothetical Balance Patch - Page 5

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 11 12 13 Next All
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11498 Posts
January 21 2015 06:35 GMT
#81
I feel like this is one of those endless loops. Yes balancing the game will let the players' skill decide the ability, but then that brings us to the question of how do we determine if it is balanced? ^_^
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Mirabel_
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 07:40:29
January 21 2015 07:37 GMT
#82
On January 21 2015 15:35 c3rberUs wrote:
I feel like this is one of those endless loops. Yes balancing the game will let the players' skill decide the ability, but then that brings us to the question of how do we determine if it is balanced? ^_^

Balance is subjective in a game with an unreachable skillcap. No one is even nearly playing with a full deck and never has, so it's up to what cards are in each player's hands.

The best way to ensure the balance of the game at the maximum possible level of skill is to isolate parts of the gameplay and compare them across races. Start by competing extensively at the slowest tolerated gamespeed. If the races fare equally well with the physical component neutralized, the game's strategic/tactical portion is balanced across the races.

Then, find a way to isolate mechanics from strategy (at maximum gamespeed, force both players of different races into a 50/50 strategy and 50/50 tactical maneuvers) and test that extensively as well, to see if the mechanical payout/requirement is balanced between the races. Since Starcraft is mostly mechanics, it might pay to automate segments of the game, like micro or macro, and test for those individually.

If one race has an advantage in some isolated scenarios and a disadvantage in others, then you can assume that in the complete game the balance will be somewhere between the two, and where exactly depend on how the different gameplay issues are weighted.

Unless you do all this to create a more-objective view of the game's balance, the answer to whether the game is balanced depends entirely on "Is every race faring healthily within this particular gamer population?
get stronger play longer
toriak
Profile Joined December 2008
Slovakia477 Posts
January 21 2015 08:28 GMT
#83
it would be nice to see never seen units in pro matches - scouts ghosts nukes ...
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
January 21 2015 08:30 GMT
#84
every unit free and instantly build
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
January 21 2015 08:36 GMT
#85
On January 21 2015 17:30 dRaW wrote:
every unit free and instantly build


USA v Canada man!
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
January 21 2015 08:38 GMT
#86
On January 21 2015 17:30 dRaW wrote:
every unit free and instantly build

You're obviously a member of the SC2 balance team.

(yah, I stole that joke, but it's too good not to)


User was warned for being hilarious
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11498 Posts
January 21 2015 09:35 GMT
#87
On January 21 2015 17:30 dRaW wrote:
every unit free and instantly build

draw for president!
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
January 21 2015 09:56 GMT
#88
dRaW is of communism, great contributor, very like, kill many bear and much vodka
hymn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Bulgaria832 Posts
January 21 2015 11:38 GMT
#89
Balance patch for BW? Never happening. So quit bitching and just enjoy the best RTS. Is it that tough?
azk he is the north american player but the titan he is the french stars
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 16:22:24
January 21 2015 16:20 GMT
#90
On January 21 2015 08:06 Bswhunter wrote:
Buff / change the underused units, Scouts, ghosts, firebats, wraiths and maybe queens.




firebats are usefull against Zergs, they are specialized and situational, but still used frequently. Wrights? Are you kidding me? Its already one of the most powerfulll unit in TvT, and it has its niche also in TvZ as a hard counter against greater spire builds (plus wrights are already quite effective against Zerg in hands of good players).

Even queens are quite controversial on this list, since they finally found niche as a late anti-mech unit.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
January 21 2015 16:53 GMT
#91
Terran > Protoss > Zerg.
Protoss has always been the strongest race and always will be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
January 21 2015 17:28 GMT
#92
Broodwar needs an APM cap, something like 50 so that all pro's can play at the same 'speed'. That would fix zerg for ya!
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
January 21 2015 17:30 GMT
#93
On January 22 2015 01:20 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 08:06 Bswhunter wrote:
Buff / change the underused units, Scouts, ghosts, firebats, wraiths and maybe queens.




firebats are usefull against Zergs, they are specialized and situational, but still used frequently. Wrights? Are you kidding me? Its already one of the most powerfulll unit in TvT, and it has its niche also in TvZ as a hard counter against greater spire builds (plus wrights are already quite effective against Zerg in hands of good players).

Even queens are quite controversial on this list, since they finally found niche as a late anti-mech unit.

Wright, wraith, wriath, wraif wait I'm confused.
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
January 21 2015 17:58 GMT
#94
What's so hard to understand? Not every language will translate perfectly into another. Especially a word like wraith which is uncommonly seen outside of fantasy/scifi circles. Don't be a dick.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
January 21 2015 18:14 GMT
#95
Ok, I'll make it easier:

paper planes
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 18:38:50
January 21 2015 18:38 GMT
#96
Wraifu?

Someone just needs to buff Bisu so he can get into an OSL.
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Marine/Raven Guide:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163605
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 18:59:06
January 21 2015 18:58 GMT
#97
On January 21 2015 08:06 Bswhunter wrote:
Buff / change the underused units, Scouts, ghosts, firebats, wraiths and maybe queens.


I know!

Give scouts a chargable attack where the damage increases with time
Bring ghosts to tier2
Put firebats on wheels, like vultures,
make detection for overloards upgradable -- buffs wraiths
and to balance it for DTs, bring DTs to tier 3

Rework the queen and make them producible from the hatchery

solved!
Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10546 Posts
January 21 2015 19:29 GMT
#98
all i really want is for borderless screen or windowed mode at fullscreen. also the fact that i have different mouse sens from regular computer to BW :/
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
Reif
Profile Joined January 2015
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 20:18:01
January 21 2015 20:17 GMT
#99
On January 21 2015 09:33 Tadah wrote:
reminisce12, regarding you comment on my first point, I feel I should stress that it is not the egg I am talking about, but rather the cocoons from which Guardians and Devourers "hatch" from.


During the Starcraft beta testing, the developers originally intended for the mutalisks to come down to the ground then morph into guardian, but it caused a bug when the muta would try to morph at a terrain that ground units can't be on (i.e. water), so they made a new unit called the 'cocoon' but apparently forgot to change from ground unit carapace to air carapace.

Interesting detail omission, although we won't know if this was done on purpose or not.

Another really interesting detail that Bliz probably forgot was a hallucinated queen can infest a command center.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
January 21 2015 20:32 GMT
#100
How about something more sensical? Like making the game and battle.net playable for windows 8+ users
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 11 12 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
2026 GSTL: Main Stage Day 2
CranKy Ducklings129
Discussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 138
ProTech137
EnDerr 11
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2860
GuemChi 1928
Artosis 640
Light 104
firebathero 0
Dota 2
monkeys_forever444
NeuroSwarm164
LuMiX2
League of Legends
Doublelift4762
Counter-Strike
taco 333
minikerr109
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox550
Mew2King133
Other Games
Day[9].tv1430
C9.Mang0194
Livibee110
ViBE86
Maynarde82
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV40
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 117
• davetesta22
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21464
League of Legends
• Stunt512
Other Games
• Day9tv1430
• Scarra1021
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
8h 28m
Replay Cast
22h 28m
Escore
1d 8h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 9h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.