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A Story about Pylons

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Germany2016 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 21:57:02
December 01 2014 22:51 GMT
#1


A Story about Pylons



If I had to describe my endless fascination for Brood War to an outsider with one single word, I would probably pick versatility. It is not the amount of mechanics needed to maximize the damage output of your army, or the many interesting stories of the elite class. It is not even the rather outdated look, which makes the game so easy to understand, or the devotion of its fans over the years. It is not all that, it is that the game never gets stale. It is the constant evolution of strategies that keeps me watching. Interestingly enough, it is not the changes in what people refer to as "meta game“ which make up the biggest part of this evolution. It is, as so often, the small things you learn to appreciate, like Pylons.

Yes, Pylons. I do associate so many things with Pylons, for instance some memorable quote by some random German in the 'general' forums of broodwar.de. He answered the question, "is there a general Build Order I can always pick as Protoss?“ with, "yeah, build your Pylon at 8 Supply somewhere in your base.“ Well, even that was a lie, which he even admitted later. You might want to build a Pylon sooner. Ever since this anitclimatic example, it has been my personal favourite to show a beginner that there is no such thing as a fixed or universal Build Order.

Obviously, the first Pylon is crucial to the Protoss strategy. If you build it at eight supply, you can do it within your base, indicating you will either opt for a rush or a tech. You will either go standard against Terran and Protoss, or you will go for an outdated idea against Zerg. A Pylon in your natural expansion indicates the now popular "Fast Expansion,“ the building block of ANY mid game transition.

It is hard to explain how stunned I was after watching the first First Person VOD around 2002 or 2003 featuring a Nal_rA version of the Fast Expansion on Lost Temple. I remember clearly that I thought, "this won't end well." Back then, every Zerg would just build a dozen Zerglings or so and run over two Photon Cannons, hence: idiotic idea. However, Nal_rA did what feels natural today, he build the first Pylon exactly in a place which would allow a "wall-in“. It felt a little like being present when the alphabet was first explained. Seems like an idea anyone could come up with, when it really is not. It might explain why I was not nearly as mind blown when Bisu fumbled around with some mid-game timings later. It was not nearly as fundamental to me. But that is just me.

Back to the point. The "first Pylon of Men“ might also indicate some fancy Proxy Gate strategy. These can turn out rather funny. It shows where you can hide your Gateways from the get-go, to really fuck over any opponent, regardless of what their race. Most memorable: the Kingdom Pylon in the "KingDumb“ Game.

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It does not end here. The Pylon story continues to grow on you, once you see what an impact they can have. There is more than just one game or one strategy tied to the use of the Pylon. It is magic, since you can place that building anyhwere and anytime. Following early Brood War history, Drone/Eriador's move has to come up next. Theoretically speaking, he is the guy who invented the Pylon Prison. At this point I am forced to add a {{Citation Needed}}, because I can not source this statement. Be that as it may... He went for a one base opening on Lost Temple in the Protoss mirror, spotted the opponent doing a one Gate Build – indicating a fast Dragoon switch – and the rest is history.

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There are dozens of variations of the Pylon Prison and even more related strategies. The Pylon Prison itself was even temporarily tagged as "Protoss Build Order“, even though it is not really one. To keep it short, we also have the "Manner Pylon“ related to the "Pylon Prison.“ This means you build a Pylon next to a gap in the mineral patches to deny enemy workers from accessing them. Everyone knows this, even though nobody understands why this is a "Manner“ Pylon. There was no player called "Manner“, but whatever. The idea itself is another example of creativity. But it goes futher.

Against Terrans you can block add-ons from being constructed, most importantly a Machine Shop when doing a Dragoon heavy pressure build. Investing in a Pylon might delay the Siege Mode upgrade long enough to break a wall-in, or to deny the Wall-In in the first place. This can really be a game deciding move. Just sit back and enjoy.

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Do you know this shit joke where a mathematician "constructs“ a trap by drawing a circle, stepping inside of it and then saying "I define the inside as outside“? Yes you do, you are nerds like me. This logic applied to Prisons can be used in several ways. The most boring example would be the Pylon Wall-ins used to deny access to freshly built expansion against Dragoon attacks or Vulture raids. It is so common we should not waste much space here.

However, since we are still in the oldest days of Brood War, the cannon rush should not be neglected. Back in 2004, a relatively unknown Austrian called TiQ.Dany qualified for the World Cyber Games. On broodwar.de he was dicussed in terms of "yeah, he's one of us, even better than almost all of us, but he stands no chance against the really big names in his group like Strafe." Turns out, all Dany needed to do was to define the inside as outside and completely overwhelm Strafe. You know where this leads, do you not? On the silly map of Korhal of Ceres the main mineral line is exactly one Pylon gap apart from the map's borders. So, just build two Pylons there and one cannon et voilá – you have a cannon rush that cannot be stopped. Today it is rather easy to block such a rush, but back then Strafe really did not know how to react and lost. Dany did not advance, but he easily made it into the best moves of the entire tournament, a tournament featuring the international elite.


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Over the years it was figured out how to completely hard counter such a rush, we just mentioned that. One method, a rather complicated one, involves a mix of Manner Pylon and a glitch – you build a Pylon near Minerals and spam the move command behind the minerals shortly after warping in the Pylon. This is a rather common trick to bypass Minerals on maps like Outsider or Heartbreak Ridge. Obviously, it is easier to just gather two workers on the same mineral patch and spam the stop command to have one of the workers glitch over the obstacle. However, the logic of abusing the collision of Brood War's AI in combination with Brood War leads to yet another entry in the book of the Pylon: the Pylon Prison 2.0.

Some really unknown player either staged or bashed a newby on Lost Temple with this trick. He build so many buildings at the low level near his opponent's starting position, that the freshly trained Dragoon was spawned on top of the cliff and inside his opponent's base. Shieeeeet.

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I could probably rant on a lot longer about the many other Pylons and Pylon related tricks. We totally left out the "Artosis Pylon," because that one really does not matter. Actually, it does, a little. Did you know it is one of the most idiotic bugs effected by the Pylon? In the very old days, it was very possible that your first or second Pylon warped in (or any other for that matter) gave you supply, but did not power up. This happened when you selected it a lot during the warp-in phase. In the end, it popped up, but you could not build anything, as the blue radius just did not work. I lost a lot of games due to this. It should be fixed by now.

I hope you got my point and were entertained for a bit. Next time remember the Napoleon effect: A small thing can have a large influence.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 01 2014 23:17 GMT
#2
Cool write-up, thanks for that.

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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
December 01 2014 23:24 GMT
#3
Haha, I really liked this. Especially the probe harassing the factory made me laugh. Thanks for the write up
BongChambers
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada591 Posts
December 01 2014 23:43 GMT
#4
This thread requires additional pylons.

Great write up! Some very memorable and funny games were caused simply due to pylon placement.
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KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1769 Posts
December 01 2014 23:45 GMT
#5
Magnificent writeup, thank you =)
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tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
December 01 2014 23:58 GMT
#6
Thanks Gecko! You are man of detail...
HerbMon
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States469 Posts
December 02 2014 00:03 GMT
#7
words cant even describe the joy i got from reading this. thank you very much, and keep them coming. :D
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
December 02 2014 00:12 GMT
#8
ahh the pylon article! i like it, the screens are well picked to illustrate too!
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WhiteKnight.US
Profile Joined May 2014
Great Britain102 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 00:36:42
December 02 2014 00:35 GMT
#9
You should not tell your opponents your best strategies, because I am never going to fall for this after reading this topic.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
December 02 2014 00:42 GMT
#10
probes inside my wall always makes me shiver in tvp
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
December 02 2014 00:47 GMT
#11
Add to the OP inmediatately

TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
December 02 2014 00:49 GMT
#12
I've accidentally failed proxy 2gating many times lol, the worst is when you don't even proxy and somehow still manage to get units stuck. :-P
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
December 02 2014 00:53 GMT
#13
i will just post this

rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5606 Posts
December 02 2014 00:56 GMT
#14
Excellent! Pylon is my favourite unit.
don't wall off against random
lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
December 02 2014 00:59 GMT
#15
The article makes one feel quite nostalgic.

According to OGN commentator Um Jae Kyung, (Wiki)Grrrr... coined the term "manner pylon". He apparently was either the first or one of the first to use this move. His opponent complained that this was a "bee-manner" (bad manners) pylon and Grrr... replied that it was a "manner pylon" and the term stuck.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
December 02 2014 01:11 GMT
#16
fuck manner pylons.
prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
December 02 2014 01:15 GMT
#17
Such a neat compilation of funny and creative moments, thank you!

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dbssaber
Profile Joined September 2013
United States193 Posts
December 02 2014 01:19 GMT
#18
On December 02 2014 08:24 Yorbon wrote:
Especially the probe harassing the factory made me laugh.


Me too, and my gf just gave me the most exasperated look...

Great writeup!
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28783 Posts
December 02 2014 01:46 GMT
#19
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
December 02 2014 05:11 GMT
#20
Should have some info about using pylons to draw pictures (like a heart)
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 06:15:15
December 02 2014 06:14 GMT
#21
Interesting read!

On December 02 2014 07:51 GeckoXp wrote:

Against Terrans you can block add-ons from being constructed, most importantly a Machine Shop when doing a Dragoon heavy pressure build. Investing in a Pylon might delay the Siege Mode upgrade long enough to break a wall-in, or to deny the Wall-In in the first place. This can really be a game deciding move. Just sit back and enjoy.
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<img class="gfyitem" data-id="OrderlyPoorGerenuk" />



which game/ video was this from?
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Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4342 Posts
December 02 2014 06:35 GMT
#22
Great write up!
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Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
December 02 2014 07:28 GMT
#23
Thank you for making me laugh before I have to leave the house in the morning
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
December 02 2014 07:55 GMT
#24
Good times, good unit.

Thanks for the write up, 5/5, well enjoyed!
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HeatEXTEND
Profile Joined October 2012
Netherlands836 Posts
December 02 2014 09:35 GMT
#25
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GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
December 02 2014 09:56 GMT
#26
On December 02 2014 15:14 JieXian wrote:
Interesting read!

Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 07:51 GeckoXp wrote:

Against Terrans you can block add-ons from being constructed, most importantly a Machine Shop when doing a Dragoon heavy pressure build. Investing in a Pylon might delay the Siege Mode upgrade long enough to break a wall-in, or to deny the Wall-In in the first place. This can really be a game deciding move. Just sit back and enjoy.
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<img class="gfyitem" data-id="OrderlyPoorGerenuk" />



which game/ video was this from?


http://bwreplays.com/xj5q6

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/7866039/retuh_just_starcraft/
broodwar2.0
Profile Joined October 2013
Niue229 Posts
December 02 2014 10:00 GMT
#27
ive also seen pylons used to fly a probe through a terran wallin rax/sup
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Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
December 02 2014 10:02 GMT
#28
Reading stuff like this makes me sad for missing a really important part of starcraft history and its evolution. I played the bw campaign multiple times and i really liked it when it came out. But i had really slow internet and i did not understand english enough to learn anything about tournaments I watched a lot of bw games after i started sc2(mainly because because of marinekings old nickname and SlayerS_`BoxeR`)
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broodwar2.0
Profile Joined October 2013
Niue229 Posts
December 02 2014 10:02 GMT
#29
On December 02 2014 15:14 JieXian wrote:
Interesting read!

Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 07:51 GeckoXp wrote:

Against Terrans you can block add-ons from being constructed, most importantly a Machine Shop when doing a Dragoon heavy pressure build. Investing in a Pylon might delay the Siege Mode upgrade long enough to break a wall-in, or to deny the Wall-In in the first place. This can really be a game deciding move. Just sit back and enjoy.
+ Show Spoiler +
<img class="gfyitem" data-id="OrderlyPoorGerenuk" />



which game/ video was this from?


like every game before v-gundam push god was so populair type of harassment back in 2000-2003 or something
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shizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia127 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 11:20:48
December 02 2014 10:35 GMT
#30
On December 02 2014 09:59 lemmata wrote:
The article makes one feel quite nostalgic.

According to OGN commentator Um Jae Kyung, (Wiki)Grrrr... coined the term "manner pylon". He apparently was either the first or one of the first to use this move. His opponent complained that this was a "bee-manner" (bad manners) pylon and Grrr... replied that it was a "manner pylon" and the term stuck.


I had always known it as something along these lines (didn't realise it was Grrr though.) I remember back then, it seemed like cheese was considered a 'bm build' in a sense, and so the 'manner' in manner pylon always referred back to this.
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
December 02 2014 11:26 GMT
#31
Good read, enjoyed it a lot.
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United States1578 Posts
December 02 2014 14:22 GMT
#32
I love pylons. But at the end of the day, aren't they just crystals wearing a hula hoop?

/blasphemy

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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5606 Posts
December 02 2014 14:33 GMT
#33
On December 02 2014 19:00 broodwar2.0 wrote:
ive also seen pylons used to fly a probe through a terran wallin rax/sup

This reminds me, what's up with the glitch mentioned on go.go's LP page?
During the final qualification Survivor game for the 2007 GOMTV MSL Season 2, go.go was matched to play against TT on Blitz X. After an unsuccessful proxy gateway build order, TT blocked his ramp with probes and quickly teched to robotics. Go.go's scouting SCV was blocked by the probes so he abused a glitch in order to pass through TT's probes and scout the build that TT was preparing. TT requested a pause and spoke to the KeSPA representative, who deemed that the game should continue after a 10 minute intermission. Go.go went on to win the game, gaining qualification into the GOMTV MSL. After the event KeSPA banned the use of the bug go.go had used.
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Probemicro
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3708 Posts
December 02 2014 14:39 GMT
#34
On December 02 2014 23:33 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 19:00 broodwar2.0 wrote:
ive also seen pylons used to fly a probe through a terran wallin rax/sup

This reminds me, what's up with the glitch mentioned on go.go's LP page?
Show nested quote +
During the final qualification Survivor game for the 2007 GOMTV MSL Season 2, go.go was matched to play against TT on Blitz X. After an unsuccessful proxy gateway build order, TT blocked his ramp with probes and quickly teched to robotics. Go.go's scouting SCV was blocked by the probes so he abused a glitch in order to pass through TT's probes and scout the build that TT was preparing. TT requested a pause and spoke to the KeSPA representative, who deemed that the game should continue after a 10 minute intermission. Go.go went on to win the game, gaining qualification into the GOMTV MSL. After the event KeSPA banned the use of the bug go.go had used.


I think it was the return cargo trick (have an scv hold a mineral then press return cargo, it will move through any units in its way)
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Japan11286 Posts
December 02 2014 15:13 GMT
#35
You mentioned the Korhal of Ceres game but not this? Kingdom vs TheMarine SPRIS MSL
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
December 02 2014 18:07 GMT
#36
Really enjoyed that

i' ll add this etymology and symbolism to it:

Pylon/pillar:
"a monumental gateway to an ancient Egyptian temple, formed by 2 truncated pyramidal towers".
electricity pylon: "a tall-like tower structure for carrying electricity cables" .
Symbolism:In symbology, The pillar is the bridge between heaven and earth, the vertical axis which both unites and divides these two realms. It is closely connected to the symbolism of the three; it also represents stability, and a broken pillar represents death and mortality.
Pylons recall the minerals of the game in itself. According to the starcraft manual they are carved from the sacred Kaydarin found only on Aiur.
image of an ancient pylon
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[image loading]  Entrance pylon, front view, Temple of Khonsu circa 1,198-1,176 B.C
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