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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-09 13:09:26
November 09 2006 13:06 GMT
#61
well your position is dificult since little time means little advance... and the part where you cant play bnet is worse. If you are looking for some advice to beat your friends... mmm really go to the recommended section and try to use some of these strategies playing with them. Otherwise if you want to get better overall then forget about playing with your friends find a way to connect battlenet at least two hours a day, make an organized way to train and play better ppl. Basically define your main interest about starcraft before asking help and get used to retards, starcraft has millions so dont get frustrated...

edit: skyglow is right, sad he wroted faster
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-09 13:13:36
November 09 2006 13:09 GMT
#62
On November 09 2006 22:06 malongo wrote:
well your position is dificult since little time means little advance... and the part where you cant play bnet is worse. If you are looking for some advice to beat your friends... mmm really go to the recommended section and try to use some of these strategies playing with them. Otherwise if you want to get better overall then forget about playing with your friends find a way to connect battlenet at least two hours a day, make an organized way to train and play better ppl. Basically define your main interest about starcraft before asking help and get used to retards, starcraft has millions so dont get frustrated... :D


Ok, thanks ^^;
It's hard to get used to retards... Usually I just ignore them, but kinda hard to ignore someone calling my thread useless & calling me an attention whore + retard
I'll try to squeeze in as many hours as I can, but since I'm in grade 12 now, I doubt I could put in more than 10 hrs per week not including my lunch periods, where I just play with my friends.

edit: regarding Hamachi, it is called "LogMeIn Hamachi"? Just making sure.
Official Entusman #21
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
November 09 2006 13:25 GMT
#63
Its this: http://www.hamachi.cc/

Might not work well if your connection is crap or if the person you're connecting with is far away from you.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
November 09 2006 13:29 GMT
#64
Hmm ok thanks. I have a good enough connection, just BNet in general has been pretty gay recently, especially on Diablo 2 X. I just logged on to prevent my characters from being deleted but it wouldn't let me connect to bnet after my 3rd character.. -__-;
Official Entusman #21
XDawn
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Canada4040 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-09 13:41:27
November 09 2006 13:41 GMT
#65
I'll train you - msn me or msg me on bnet

qG.Dawn all servers

[MSN is better choice]
Use it or lose it
[jOyO]
Profile Joined July 2006
United States920 Posts
November 09 2006 13:52 GMT
#66
One of the wierd things about sc is the whole idea about what people are doing if they arent building units. i mean you watch a replay and you look around and not much is going on, no units are really building and nothing is happening. why does this happen? i mean what could possibly be more important than building units? whenever im in a game i try to think about what really matters most and do it. it always nice to look back at my natural and see 6 fresh lurks and a round of lings runnin' down the ramp ^^. just think about what you have to do logically and dont click too much on things you dont need to click on. about a month ago i would always overclik and it slowed me down+fucked me up. do everything deliberately and try not to missclick. i think one of your problems is not "forgetting" its being too slow. for example if you are microing your mutas you have to learn when to send em in a straight path so they dont get attacked while you quickly go back and macro for a second. its these kind of timing/clicking skills that you learn from playing many games.

i just came out of "semi-noobishness" so you can pm me and i can give you some tips on what to think about during a game.
You must notta heard me PARTNA!
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
November 09 2006 13:52 GMT
#67
Thanks XDawn. It's so nice to see people who are willing to help. ^^;
Official Entusman #21
_PulSe_
Profile Joined August 2006
United States541 Posts
November 09 2006 13:56 GMT
#68
You seem nice enough.... if you want il game with ya too =). l[w]l-PulSe on east. P.S. that spelled like L[w]L. =)
Its not that Im lazy. Its that I just dont care.
MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-09 13:57:52
November 09 2006 13:57 GMT
#69
PURPOSE.

That's what'll make you better.

If you know what you want to do and when to do it, the only thing limiting you is your apm.

How do you learn what you want to do?

Watch reps, read strategy guides, develop your own strategies, plan your game!

REMEMBER: IF YOU FAIL TO PLAN, YOU PLAN TO FAIL!!!
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
November 09 2006 13:57 GMT
#70
On November 09 2006 22:52 [jOyO] wrote:
One of the wierd things about sc is the whole idea about what people are doing if they arent building units. i mean you watch a replay and you look around and not much is going on, no units are really building and nothing is happening. why does this happen? i mean what could possibly be more important than building units? whenever im in a game i try to think about what really matters most and do it. it always nice to look back at my natural and see 6 fresh lurks and a round of lings runnin' down the ramp ^^. just think about what you have to do logically and dont click too much on things you dont need to click on. about a month ago i would always overclik and it slowed me down+fucked me up. do everything deliberately and try not to missclick. i think one of your problems is not "forgetting" its being too slow. for example if you are microing your mutas you have to learn when to send em in a straight path so they dont get attacked while you quickly go back and macro for a second. its these kind of timing/clicking skills that you learn from playing many games.

i just came out of "semi-noobishness" so you can pm me and i can give you some tips on what to think about during a game.


Wow. I never thought of it like that. Thanks for the insight. I've been trying not to over-click too much, but it's a bad habit. Still, very nice tips. Thanks ^^;
Official Entusman #21
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-09 14:03:25
November 09 2006 14:00 GMT
#71
thanks. MaZza[KIS] Straight to the point. ^^;

edit: omg I wish all the comments made by zulu were deleted... that would make this thread amazing. So many people offering to help... T__T
Official Entusman #21
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
November 09 2006 14:25 GMT
#72
I'll be willing to take you up on West or Hamachi, PM me and I'll give you my AIM

Mostly, just playing better players will make you better. I remember when I first went on op tl-west - I felt I was a pretty bad player, but I thought I could at least win a game or two. Got trashed pretty terribly, 0:3 that day. I went for something like seven games before winning.

It was nice, though. After every loss, I'd ask opponent/obs what went wrong, watch rep, and I'd improve a little. So, now, while I'm still not a great player, I'm passable enough to consider myself average.

So that method seemed to work best for me: game with someone better, ask what they did well, what I did wrong, what I should improve, watch replay, and then re if possible ^^V

Also, playing on standard maps [Luna T-T] may be boring, but it's easiest way to improve. Then can move to non-standard maps like Blitz, SinBaekduDaegan, Arkanoid, etc.

It's good that you're zerg, my understanding of zerg is probably a bit better than the other two races, so I can help you more ^^
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
November 09 2006 14:32 GMT
#73
Thanks penitent exile!! Hopefully I can meet you on BNet this weekend ^^;
Official Entusman #21
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-09 15:00:25
November 09 2006 14:50 GMT
#74
On November 09 2006 19:31 infinity21 wrote:
Hi. I honestly don't have a replay where I lose...


And you dare ask for help?

On November 09 2006 20:27 infinity21 wrote:
edit: My friends think I'm "amazing" just because I can beat them every time. I'd also like to help them get better so we can have more enjoyable games.


Haha, talk about blind leading blind.

Let me get this straight:
- You want to get better, but you play against people who apparently have no idea how to play Starcraft
- You do not have ONE replay where you lose, so you have never played anybody above your level
- You can only play "during lunch period in school", so you have no hope for improvement
- You flame when we tell you what you don't want to hear, and act arrogantly when you should be lurking more, newbie

Do you have any fucking idea how stupid you sound? Zulu_nation is one of the best players posting in this thread, but apparently instead of having a modicum of humility you call the people who attack you "retards". Good job.
too easy
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 09 2006 14:59 GMT
#75
First of all, are you really sure becoming pro at sc is something desirable for you? A lot of people here are addicted to the game, and that's not something you want to be.

When trying to improve I think you need to differ between theory and execution. As a lot of people have already told you in this thread, execution can only really be improved by playing a lot. There are certain tricks (some mentioned in this thread), but the key is just playing, playing, playing.

Theory on the other hand isn't just attainable through mass practice (although it helps of course), and here is where good and bad practice differ. A lot of people are stuck on a semi-bad level because of this.
- The most important thing to do is to watch your own replays. It helps a LOT to spot flaws in your play.
- Watch progamer replays. Watching them from the point of view of only one player is a nice alternative to watching it normally, to see the player's scouting patterns for example. Try to roughly memorize their build orders (and more importantly, understand their purpose), and other little things like overlord placement (you're zerg right?).
- Generalize. Try to come up with rules for whole matchups or even for all of sc, which you can go by in games. This is fundamental for your understanding of the game. (I just tried to write up an example for you (for tvp), but my English isn't good enough for that unfortunately. :/)
- Don't put _too_ much time into these things. Playing games is still the main thing you should be doing, you don't want to become like me, I did nothing but watch replays and analyze. Now I might know some theory, but I can't play for shit. : (

Whatever you do, if you just keep playing with your friends, you'll never reach a good level. Generally it's best to play people equal or a little better than you. If you get to play people better than you, ask them for advice after a game, they'll be able to help a lot with your play.

If you want theoretical advice, I can obb some games if you want, pm me if you want my msn.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
November 09 2006 15:01 GMT
#76
On November 09 2006 23:00 infinity21 wrote:
thanks. MaZza[KIS] Straight to the point. ^^;

edit: omg I wish all the comments made by zulu were deleted... that would make this thread amazing. So many people offering to help... T__T


youre a fucking idiot. there your thread sucks more now.
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
November 09 2006 15:03 GMT
#77
You want to get better? Start with this guide:
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=25863
too easy
GMer
Profile Joined July 2006
Canada122 Posts
November 09 2006 15:34 GMT
#78
dude play lots of games, its the simple answer, if your into the game make it your lief, then ur human body/brain will adapt to everything that this game is. GL HF GOGO!

go pro even if ur not too old to start turning into a full fledge nerd.
Dont Play To Win, Play To Perfect Each Aspect Of The Race You Use.
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
November 09 2006 16:08 GMT
#79
play on bnet
Entusman #12
BboyRain
Profile Joined October 2006
Korea (South)85 Posts
November 09 2006 16:40 GMT
#80
google or tl search for strategical/mental aspects [when to expand, when to attack, when to turtle, when to power drones, etc.]

mass games for improving physical aspects such as speed & timing [apm/reaction time/hotkeying/micro/macro]

if you want to get better just use some common sense and build up your physical aspects (dunno if thats the right word lol) first get mouse speed up, get some basic build orders down, develop habits of switching between micro and macro, etc.

by the time you get all that down you should have developed some sense of the game, and even at that level you can just learn more by massing games and reading guides/threads here

IMO, there shouldn't be a reason for you to create a new thread just asking "how to get better" -_-;
Seong C. Kim ... aka. nada_sk / yellos
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