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BW Power Rank - End of the Year 2013

Text byEpoxide
Graphics byfusefuse
January 4th, 2014 23:03 GMT

When we reintroduced the Power Rank in September last year, we wrote; "a break in which we'd have no SSL, no SRT, no show matches, no king of the hills to worry about, just a week to sit back and reflect on where everyone was at". After the last edition Sonic went into overdrive. Leaving no room between tournaments, filling our Brood War fix. This was also during a time when staff was all going missing. Unfortunately this gave no time for a second edition of the Power Rank. But now before SSL9, I felt obliged to write one.

This should give you a good idea of who is the current best player and who is the scariest, the player none wants to face. As always with Power Ranks, the most fun is held in the comments. Arguing about how wrong I am, and I can probably be easily persuaded as this one wasn't easy to order. So feel free to post!

Close But No Cigar


(T)PianO: When PianO was first announced to start playing on Fish and streaming on Afreeca, I didn't have that high expectations. His time in ACE wasn't anything special, outside of his d-matrices on Sniper Ridge against RorO. When he arrived, he improved faster than most. Eventually revealing his goal, he was going to practice for 13 hours each day. The only one really having that kind of dedication, and boy did we notice some difference in his skill level. The debut in Proleague wasn't very impressive, but he ended the season with the most wins of any Terran, going 9-5. Beating Killer twice, HiyA, Movie, and Lazy is pretty damn good. Unless other players decide to practice more, PianO is going to be miles ahead in a very near future.

(Z)beast: This guy is the RorO equivalent. No one expected him to be anything special. After winning the first day of Proleague, STX was coming in hot with their two aces; Shuttle and hero. kkong got killed by Terror in the opening match. OZ sent out beast to hopefully get one or two wins before losing to either of the STX aces. beast ended up all-killing STX in short fashion. A few weeks later beast four-kills Sonic's team. The reason Hwaseung did decently wasn't because of HiyA, nor Killer. It was beast. Finally ending the season as the shared best Zerg with 11-6. But be aware, when you start praising these kinds of players, that's when they start to lose.

(T)Mind: Debuting in SRT18, he made it to the quarterfinals where he lost to HiyA. Things went quiet for almost a month as KT didn't get any playtime. When they finally got some playtime Mind crushed Lazy, got revenge on HiyA, and won against Movie. Mind ended the season with 4-2, with his only losses to Sea and JangBi. With more games and the same kind of record, Mind is going to find himself on the ranking next time.

Honourable Mentions


(P)JangBi: It was very exciting when JangBi first came back to Brood War. The excitement quickly disappeared as JangBi stopped streaming. He was gone for a very long time, hinting at not coming back because of supposed family issues. The dream came back to life when JangBi played in Proleague. Instantly getting kills on Mind, Sea, HiyA, and Pusan. If JangBi can play more we are bound to see the return of legendary storms.

(P)Changers: Token amateur. No, but really, getting a three-kill against STX, including Shuttle is pretty damn good. Not getting much play time but ending the score at 4-2 makes him the C-God. Believe in the amateurs!

The End of the Year 2013 Power Rank

10 (T)HiyA -3

The tenth place was pretty hard as no one else has been doing outstandingly well. I considered beast for this place too but it's like HoeJJa proleague playoffs; beast never performs otherwise. HiyA has been playing pretty poorly considering his usual impressive play. But even though HiyA plays bad he is still scary for anyone not on this list. He went 4-4 in proleague, where he won against players he should have won and lost against some players around his caliber. This is a reoccurring thing for HiyA, sometimes he just has to play really bad to own it up when it really matters. Not to forget, HiyA took two consecutive third place finishes in SRT17 & SRT18 so he is definitely a force to be reckoned with in SSL9. I anticipate HiyA climbing the list for the next edition.

New! (T)Mong 9

Mong had a pretty good end of the year. Getting knocked out of SRT17 in the quarterfinals in an impressive showing against Killer where he took the series to a game five, even though he was expected to lose horribly. In SRT18 he got all the way to the semifinals, beating Movie on the way in another impressive series. Unfortunately for him, he got knocked out by the eventual champion, Shuttle, barely losing 2-3. The start of proleague looked dire for Mong, as he lost to both hero and Shuttle before reverse four-killing KHAN, taking out huge opponents like PianO and JangBi. He ended the season with the best record of any Terran, going 8-4. Mong's form has been shaky ever since all the ex-pros started migrating back in late 2012. We will see what form Mong brings for SSL9, it's a hit or miss.

8 (P)Shuttle -2

I genuinely wish to put Shuttle higher up on the list, but the matter of fact is that Shuttle has extremely low valleys in skill. SRT17 went decent for Shuttle, making it to the semifinals and beating Killer in the group stages on his way. Killer ended up being too hard to beat a second time though. He ended up losing the consolation match to HiyA in horrible fashion. SRT18 was the highlight of Shuttle's career; in the group stages he took out both Sea and sSak in the hardest group. On the way to the grand final he managed to beat Jaehoon and Mong. He faced Killer once again and won in a convincing fashion. Hope was back for Shuttle's worst match-up; PvZ. But along came Proleague. Shuttle started off by losing to both beast and Cola, two Zerg that aren't exactly considered top tier players. He ended the season with an average 6-5 but lost to two other bottom tier players, Kwanro and Changers. If Shuttle can dodge PvZ he has a big shot at making it far in SSL9.

New! (P)Lazy 7

Of all the new promising players joining the scene I did not expect Lazy to be the one shining through. On paper, Lazy's worst match-up is PvT. He has, however, upset sSak, that is considered to have the best TvP in the scene, many times. He also had great series against HiyA. His PvT is no joke even though it only says 41%. Proleague was what really defined Lazy. He started the season out decently by beating Pure and s2 but losing to Larva against SKT. Later on though things started to happen. He all-killed Sonic's team, including Shinee on Fighting Spirit. The next match against SKT he closed the series out by beating both of their aces sSak and Bisu. Bisu was on an undefeated seven game win streak in PvP. The next day he beats ZvP specialist hero and STX captain Terror. Lazy ended the season with the second best score overall, 13-5, and was responsible for two of Bisu's three losses this season. If Lazy brings this shape to SSL9 everyone needs to watch out.

6 (P)Movie -3

Ever since Movie won two SRTs in a row in early 2013, he never got back to his dominating state. Movie managed to get to the quarterfinals of every SRT since then though, getting knocked out 2-3 every time in extremely close series, except for SRT14 where he managed to win in the quarterfinals against Shuttle before losing to Sea in the semifinals. Proleague started off terribly for him, going 0-3 in first three games. He did however face very good opponents like hero, Shuttle, and PianO. Movie got his first win against s2 after starting against SKT, Larva beat him in the next game which is someone he really shouldn't lose to. After that, Movie went on an absolute tear, all-killing STX after being sent out first, getting revenge against hero and Shuttle in the process. He continued the streak against KT where he got another three wins. Mind ended his eight game streak and put Movie's final record to 9-5.

— (T)sSak 5

sSak is considered by me as the true ace player of SKT. As Bisu did so well he never really got to play. sSak had his best performance yet in SRT15 where he snagged second place. The following seasons he got knocked out by Killer in the quarterfinals in an 0-3 stomp and to Lazy as early as in the group stages in an embarrassing performance. The last SRT of the year was a bounce back for him, advancing from the group of death by eliminating Sea who was on a four SRT title streak. Once again sSak had to face Killer in the quarterfinals, this time he took it to a game five almost squeezing out a win with impressive play.

In Proleague, sSak acted as the ace two times when Bisu failed to close it out. The first time Lazy managed to take them both out. But the second time Bisu lost to Lazy, sSak managed to close the series out by taking out Lazy and Pusan. sSak didn't get to see many games but ended the season on a strong 6-2 record, with his losses to Mini and Lazy, two players he probably shouldn't have lost to. sSak showed strong TvT this season by taking out both HiyA and Mong. If he runs into Sea again he might give him a run for his money.

4 (Z)hero —

hero has been constantly improving this entire year. He improved his ZvT to a level where he could take games off of Sea, HiyA, and sSak. This allowed him to take two third places in a row in SRT15 and SRT16 by beating Pusan and Mong. Unfortunately for him he faced Killer and a bunch of good TvZ'ers in the last half-year which led to constant elimination and not reaching the grand final of a tournament.

Things started to look better in Proleague, where he carried his team to the most victories and a direct spot to the grand final of the playoffs. With the best record of any Zerg, going 11-6 he managed to take out high profile players he has historically struggled against such as Sea, Killer, and Mong. He also solidified his position as the best ZvP'er in the scene by ending Bisu's ten game winning streak and reaching the highest ZvP win rate, overtaking Killer. He is also at the time of writing the #1 player on the SOSPA TLPD. If this guy can win against Killer or good Terrans or dodge them, he will win SSL9. No Protoss can win against hero in a best-of-series. Not even Bisu.

New! (P)Bisu 3

I had a really hard time placing Bisu somewhere on this list. With only seventeen games played in SOSPA tournaments there isn't too much that can be said. Especially when all of the games have been best-of-ones without preparation time. Suddenly placing a player so high up on the list is not something I would like to do. But on the other hand, Bisu's play has been so incredibly convincing it's not even funny. Currently at 14-3 in Proleague with his only losses to hero and two times against Lazy. Many of the players he beat is people he really should be winning against, but where other strong players failed, he succeeded. He didn't only face easy opponents, he played Sea three times, winning all three.

It's still really hard to say how solid Bisu is in an individual tournament format with best-of-series. Preparation time and more games might be all that is needed to bring him down. If he beats Killer or Sea in SSL9, someone is bound to climb this list. On the other hand, if he gets knocked out early he is sure to find himself on the bottom of this list (actually at the top ;; ).

2 (Z)Killer -1
The most dominating player of late 2012 and early 2013, scoring himself two starleague titles in a row. Boasting an incredible win rate of over 67%. When summer came, no one could touch him. Until a certain season of the SOSPA Ranking Tournament came along. Sea versus Killer went on to become a rivalry like Flash & Jaedong, BoxeR & YellOw, and NaDa & sAviOr were. They faced each other in a finals three times during the fall (four including YPSL), almost all of which Sea made Killer look somewhat silly. In the previous Power Rank we mentioned that if Sea can keep on winning titles and games against Killer there is bound to be a change at the top, and here we are, Killer is dethroned.

There is something else going Killer's way before SSL9. The scene is currently filled with new great Protoss players; Bisu, JangBi, Jaehoon. Just to name a few. Many of Bisu's fanboys think Bisu will win SSL9. Unfortunately for Bisu and his fanboys, Killer absolutely trashes Protoss. There is only one person I favour against Killer, and I do it heavily. That's Sea.


+1 (T)Sea 1

Holy shit. That's what I have to say about Sea's performance this summer and fall. I don't think anyone has been that dominant since iloveoov peak. Four individual titles in a row. That's disgustingly good. What was previously considered Sea's worst match-up has improved from under 45% up to a peak of around 60%. Things were looking like nothing could stop Sea. Zerg were all no match with his 72% win rate, the only one who could even take a game off of him was Killer. The Terrans had kneeled before their new emperor, and were all losing left and right. The previous threat of the Protoss was now gone with him beating Shuttle & Movie, the PvT-ers in the scene. SSL9 looked like it was going to be a cakewalk. Along came new Protoss players, superstars, PvT monsters. Bisu and JangBi are sure to be a bane of Sea's existence, as Bisu has already evidently shown in Proleague.

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I'm just gonna leave this here for anyone arguing.
Note: Bisu has zero medals.



If there is one thing Sea has shown, it's that he is king in best-of-series, he is untouchable in them. If he can get through the group stages without losing to some silly Protoss like Tyson there isn't much that can stop him. As it stands I don't favour anyone against Sea. That's what gets you on top of this list.

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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9499 Posts
January 04 2014 23:05 GMT
#2
Let the arguing commence.
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Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
January 04 2014 23:12 GMT
#3
[image loading]
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
January 04 2014 23:13 GMT
#4
Great PR. Looking forward to things get shaken up in SSL!
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
January 04 2014 23:15 GMT
#5
Awesome to see sea up at the top again.

BW FIGHTING~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!
NapkinBox
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States314 Posts
January 04 2014 23:19 GMT
#6
C-God
"Who has the best durability feat in all of comic book superheroes?" "Aquaman surviving pop culture."
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
January 04 2014 23:19 GMT
#7
I hope HiyA can show us awesome games!~
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hidetoaizen
Profile Joined January 2013
Norway460 Posts
January 04 2014 23:25 GMT
#8
yes Bisu :D
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
January 04 2014 23:28 GMT
#9
Piano and Sea fighting~
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Selenus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States166 Posts
January 04 2014 23:28 GMT
#10
Note: Bisu has zero medals.


This is my all-time favorite power rank.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
January 04 2014 23:38 GMT
#11
love bw articles. thank you!
ZaRaki_
Profile Joined March 2011
Spain126 Posts
January 04 2014 23:54 GMT
#12
10/10 love it. Killer fighting
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 04 2014 23:58 GMT
#13
Where is JD, he made forgg look like a scrub /jk
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fusefuse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Estonia4644 Posts
January 05 2014 00:03 GMT
#14
hyde's dick not #5 anymore, what changed?
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
January 05 2014 00:10 GMT
#15
Pff hero #4 behind bisu? Ridiculous, bisu played all of 13 games and only 3 PvZs, lost to hero, only won vs noob zergs. No titles, nothing to show. Hero with 100% winrate vs protoss except last couple games for 4 months, only dropping ZvZ vs Killer and once vs beast (and Killer is definitely better ZvZ), and a pretty decent winrate vs terran, hero definitely deserves to play higher than bisu. Bisu fanboyism placing him so high when he has yet to prove himself in SOSPA, definitely premature.

Much as I may hate it, Killer losing always vs Sea is a valid reason to place Sea higher, but if Killer starts winning when they meet then I think he'd take #1 spot for sure, they're both outstanding players though.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 05 2014 00:12 GMT
#16
Sorry Flash,

There is a new God in town. [image loading]
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
January 05 2014 00:20 GMT
#17
Haha oh god great zergs are always stymied by great terrans.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
January 05 2014 00:22 GMT
#18
Bisu 3rd? Clearly, someone got paid for that.
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
January 05 2014 00:27 GMT
#19
good ole sea! great picture haha!
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
January 05 2014 00:33 GMT
#20
Bisu #3? What?
Sea looks incredibly strong, hope he can maintain his dominance in 2014!
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
January 05 2014 00:39 GMT
#21
On January 05 2014 09:10 Birdie wrote:
Pff hero #4 behind bisu? Ridiculous, bisu played all of 13 games and only 3 PvZs, lost to hero, only won vs noob zergs. No titles, nothing to show. Hero with 100% winrate vs protoss except last couple games for 4 months, only dropping ZvZ vs Killer and once vs beast (and Killer is definitely better ZvZ), and a pretty decent winrate vs terran, hero definitely deserves to play higher than bisu. Bisu fanboyism placing him so high when he has yet to prove himself in SOSPA, definitely premature.

Much as I may hate it, Killer losing always vs Sea is a valid reason to place Sea higher, but if Killer starts winning when they meet then I think he'd take #1 spot for sure, they're both outstanding players though.

Hero's zvt and zvz are as mediocre as they get. (and Killer and Zero have better zvp when Zero isnt being a depressing emo) You should be instead be glad that Hero is placed as high as he is cause it probably won't last especially with the amount of terrans lately.

Hero almost super threw the game vs Bisu on Jade too by letting Bisu break out of contain much easier than should have happened. He kept majority of lurkers clumped in a location where goon/ht will easily whittle them away. He also only sent a single scourge to kill obs when he had plenty more just outside the contain.
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chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
January 05 2014 00:45 GMT
#22
Yum Bo Sung #1
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
January 05 2014 00:57 GMT
#23
Nice read, good job epoxide and fuse.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
January 05 2014 00:58 GMT
#24
On January 05 2014 09:39 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 09:10 Birdie wrote:
Pff hero #4 behind bisu? Ridiculous, bisu played all of 13 games and only 3 PvZs, lost to hero, only won vs noob zergs. No titles, nothing to show. Hero with 100% winrate vs protoss except last couple games for 4 months, only dropping ZvZ vs Killer and once vs beast (and Killer is definitely better ZvZ), and a pretty decent winrate vs terran, hero definitely deserves to play higher than bisu. Bisu fanboyism placing him so high when he has yet to prove himself in SOSPA, definitely premature.

Much as I may hate it, Killer losing always vs Sea is a valid reason to place Sea higher, but if Killer starts winning when they meet then I think he'd take #1 spot for sure, they're both outstanding players though.

Hero's zvt and zvz are as mediocre as they get. (and Killer and Zero have better zvp when Zero isnt being a depressing emo) You should be instead be glad that Hero is placed as high as he is cause it probably won't last especially with the amount of terrans lately.

Hero almost super threw the game vs Bisu on Jade too by letting Bisu break out of contain much easier than should have happened. He kept majority of lurkers clumped in a location where goon/ht will easily whittle them away. He also only sent a single scourge to kill obs when he had plenty more just outside the contain.

Hero mediocre ZvZ? He only ever loses consistently to Killer. For almost the ENTIRE of 2013 he only lost to Killer and one game to beast, he won every other ZvZ. And he won a fair few vs Killer too. In fact, hero has the best ZvZ winrate of any player against Killer, with only Cola and Beast even taking games off Killer. And while his ZvT appears lacking, if you actually look at his wins/losses he wins quite a lot vs top terrans, he just doesn't have as dominant a ZvT as Killer. He's still easily second best Zerg in SOSPA and third best player, no question.
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darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
January 05 2014 00:59 GMT
#25
Mhmm the reason MBC was my favourite team is number one, aww yeeah
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
January 05 2014 01:07 GMT
#26
Pusaaan! Almost in the CBNC and Honourables. Isn't he the oldest one playing? And he still wins occasionally.
BW
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
January 05 2014 01:08 GMT
#27
On January 05 2014 10:07 Amanebak wrote:
Pusaaan! Almost in the CBNC and Honourables. Isn't he the oldest one playing? And he still wins occasionally.

He was in last time!
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iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
January 05 2014 01:13 GMT
#28
Wheres Ample?
Woo Jung Ho
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
January 05 2014 01:16 GMT
#29
off being terrible
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
January 05 2014 01:26 GMT
#30
I dont see Shinee anywhere. This list is fake.
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Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 01:31:00
January 05 2014 01:30 GMT
#31
On January 05 2014 10:08 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 10:07 Amanebak wrote:
Pusaaan! Almost in the CBNC and Honourables. Isn't he the oldest one playing? And he still wins occasionally.

He was in last time!

True, I remember now. I like to seeing Mong there. Reminded me to watch said Mong 4-kill of Khan.
BW
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
January 05 2014 01:33 GMT
#32
On January 05 2014 10:26 amazingxkcd wrote:
I dont see Shinee anywhere. This list is fake.

he lost on fs, fake
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jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
January 05 2014 01:33 GMT
#33
Sea and Bisu will rock in 2014!
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
January 05 2014 01:49 GMT
#34
Bisu #3? you must be joking! *wave fanboy flag'
Broodwar for life!
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44118 Posts
January 05 2014 01:49 GMT
#35
On January 05 2014 09:12 StarStruck wrote:
Sorry Flash,

There is a new God in town. [image loading]

flash said he wanted to be a champion of sc2 .. turns out its not working well
this is a quote
remag
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany354 Posts
January 05 2014 01:53 GMT
#36
Well done.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
January 05 2014 01:56 GMT
#37
On January 05 2014 09:58 Birdie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 09:39 Harem wrote:
On January 05 2014 09:10 Birdie wrote:
Pff hero #4 behind bisu? Ridiculous, bisu played all of 13 games and only 3 PvZs, lost to hero, only won vs noob zergs. No titles, nothing to show. Hero with 100% winrate vs protoss except last couple games for 4 months, only dropping ZvZ vs Killer and once vs beast (and Killer is definitely better ZvZ), and a pretty decent winrate vs terran, hero definitely deserves to play higher than bisu. Bisu fanboyism placing him so high when he has yet to prove himself in SOSPA, definitely premature.

Much as I may hate it, Killer losing always vs Sea is a valid reason to place Sea higher, but if Killer starts winning when they meet then I think he'd take #1 spot for sure, they're both outstanding players though.

Hero's zvt and zvz are as mediocre as they get. (and Killer and Zero have better zvp when Zero isnt being a depressing emo) You should be instead be glad that Hero is placed as high as he is cause it probably won't last especially with the amount of terrans lately.

Hero almost super threw the game vs Bisu on Jade too by letting Bisu break out of contain much easier than should have happened. He kept majority of lurkers clumped in a location where goon/ht will easily whittle them away. He also only sent a single scourge to kill obs when he had plenty more just outside the contain.

Hero mediocre ZvZ? He only ever loses consistently to Killer. For almost the ENTIRE of 2013 he only lost to Killer and one game to beast, he won every other ZvZ. And he won a fair few vs Killer too. In fact, hero has the best ZvZ winrate of any player against Killer, with only Cola and Beast even taking games off Killer. And while his ZvT appears lacking, if you actually look at his wins/losses he wins quite a lot vs top terrans, he just doesn't have as dominant a ZvT as Killer. He's still easily second best Zerg in SOSPA and third best player, no question.

If you are going to quote stats then at least get them right, (This is all from this year which you specified)

He lost a bo3 2-0 to Larva in SRT 11. He lost a bo5 3-2 to Beast in very same SRT11. In SRT12, he yet again lost to Beast 3-2. He also dropped a game to Zelot in the SSL Seeding Match and then dropped another game to Zelot when he lost 3-1. He also dropped another game to Beast in recent PL game. That isn't dropping "1 game" to zergs not Killer. It was also a bit misleading to try and frame it like you did when he didnt have broadcasted zvz games for so many months. Plus, he even loses bo3 zvz to Sziky who is good but not #4 in SOSPA good.

I wasnt even just referring to his sospa games (or meant statistics) when I made original post either. I was talking about his gameplay itself as I watch his stream a lot. Majority of the time it's standard, uninspired zvz or zvt while getting rolled. Besides his burrow openings that he rarely does zvt, it's super easy to anticipate what he will do and counter accordingly hence why you see Ssak do so well vs Hero but so badly vs Killer.

Zergs in general will keep falling further and further down the rankings especially if Killer keeps up his current super lax practice routine and Zero's mentality continues to be at a level that makes Idra's look like Jaedong. Hero isnt the hero that the zerg race needs. :<
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elmerpogs
Profile Joined August 2011
Philippines441 Posts
January 05 2014 01:58 GMT
#38
Bisu's gonna steal the #1 spot!
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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
January 05 2014 02:08 GMT
#39
Why isn't bisu #1?
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
January 05 2014 02:14 GMT
#40
Yay, Bisu! Can't wait for SSL :D


On January 05 2014 10:49 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 09:12 StarStruck wrote:
Sorry Flash,

There is a new God in town. [image loading]

flash said he wanted to be a champion of sc2 .. turns out its not working well


He went 2-4 against life himself in that mlg finals so it is within reach, I would say

(if only KT would send players to more lans..)
maru G5L pls
Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
January 05 2014 02:16 GMT
#41
Bisu should be number 1! Bisu! Bisu!
DebOnAire - 「 Bisu[Shield] 」
stefantheterran
Profile Joined December 2013
Austria61 Posts
January 05 2014 02:37 GMT
#42
Ahh, good old BW power ranks, how I've missed them! Thanks for the great writeup, so hyped for SSL!
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1183 Posts
January 05 2014 02:57 GMT
#43
Lazy and SSak should be switched. Lazy is the underdog of all proleague! He gonna make it far in SSL9
Flash should fear Sacsri
Frankenberry
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark302 Posts
January 05 2014 03:07 GMT
#44
This might not be the right place to ask this question, but I'll do it anyways.

Is there a place were I can watch vods of the brood war scene with english commentary of these top tier player games ? I would like to follow this scene a bit, since the game is just to good
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 05 2014 03:16 GMT
#45
On January 05 2014 08:28 Selenus wrote:
Show nested quote +
Note: Bisu has zero medals.


This is my all-time favorite power rank.


LOL qft
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dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
January 05 2014 03:59 GMT
#46
Sea is a monster for these tournaments, but he seems to be in a bit of a slump for results in sospa league.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
January 05 2014 04:05 GMT
#47
Starcue #1
LightAngels
Profile Joined April 2010
United States299 Posts
January 05 2014 04:37 GMT
#48
Bisu Bisu Bisu Bisu !!!!

( not #1 ? ) god dang it
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
January 05 2014 04:44 GMT
#49
On January 05 2014 10:33 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 10:26 amazingxkcd wrote:
I dont see Shinee anywhere. This list is fake.

he lost on fs, fake


Was it ladder game? If not, game doesn't count
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
January 05 2014 04:57 GMT
#50
On January 05 2014 10:56 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 09:58 Birdie wrote:
On January 05 2014 09:39 Harem wrote:
On January 05 2014 09:10 Birdie wrote:
Pff hero #4 behind bisu? Ridiculous, bisu played all of 13 games and only 3 PvZs, lost to hero, only won vs noob zergs. No titles, nothing to show. Hero with 100% winrate vs protoss except last couple games for 4 months, only dropping ZvZ vs Killer and once vs beast (and Killer is definitely better ZvZ), and a pretty decent winrate vs terran, hero definitely deserves to play higher than bisu. Bisu fanboyism placing him so high when he has yet to prove himself in SOSPA, definitely premature.

Much as I may hate it, Killer losing always vs Sea is a valid reason to place Sea higher, but if Killer starts winning when they meet then I think he'd take #1 spot for sure, they're both outstanding players though.

Hero's zvt and zvz are as mediocre as they get. (and Killer and Zero have better zvp when Zero isnt being a depressing emo) You should be instead be glad that Hero is placed as high as he is cause it probably won't last especially with the amount of terrans lately.

Hero almost super threw the game vs Bisu on Jade too by letting Bisu break out of contain much easier than should have happened. He kept majority of lurkers clumped in a location where goon/ht will easily whittle them away. He also only sent a single scourge to kill obs when he had plenty more just outside the contain.

Hero mediocre ZvZ? He only ever loses consistently to Killer. For almost the ENTIRE of 2013 he only lost to Killer and one game to beast, he won every other ZvZ. And he won a fair few vs Killer too. In fact, hero has the best ZvZ winrate of any player against Killer, with only Cola and Beast even taking games off Killer. And while his ZvT appears lacking, if you actually look at his wins/losses he wins quite a lot vs top terrans, he just doesn't have as dominant a ZvT as Killer. He's still easily second best Zerg in SOSPA and third best player, no question.

If you are going to quote stats then at least get them right, (This is all from this year which you specified)

He lost a bo3 2-0 to Larva in SRT 11. He lost a bo5 3-2 to Beast in very same SRT11. In SRT12, he yet again lost to Beast 3-2. He also dropped a game to Zelot in the SSL Seeding Match and then dropped another game to Zelot when he lost 3-1. He also dropped another game to Beast in recent PL game. That isn't dropping "1 game" to zergs not Killer. It was also a bit misleading to try and frame it like you did when he didnt have broadcasted zvz games for so many months. Plus, he even loses bo3 zvz to Sziky who is good but not #4 in SOSPA good.

I wasnt even just referring to his sospa games (or meant statistics) when I made original post either. I was talking about his gameplay itself as I watch his stream a lot. Majority of the time it's standard, uninspired zvz or zvt while getting rolled. Besides his burrow openings that he rarely does zvt, it's super easy to anticipate what he will do and counter accordingly hence why you see Ssak do so well vs Hero but so badly vs Killer.

Zergs in general will keep falling further and further down the rankings especially if Killer keeps up his current super lax practice routine and Zero's mentality continues to be at a level that makes Idra's look like Jaedong. Hero isnt the hero that the zerg race needs. :<

I said "almost" the entire of 2013, the games he lost were at the very start. No other Zerg has anywhere near the ZvZ results of hero, except for Killer. And ladder games don't count for much at all.

As for his ZvT, sure it's bad but he still gets decent results, not many other Zerg have results as good or better vs T.

I'd agree that his ZvP is much better than his ZvT and ZvZ, from watching his stream it seems like the reason for that is cos he plays a whole lot more ZvP than other matchups though. If he actually sat down and focused hard on learning his weaker matchups I could see him becoming very strong. But given his results I don't think anyone else deserves #3 spot like he does. sSak and Bisu have the potential to get it soon if they keep doing as well as they are but they're not there yet.
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NeuroticPsychosis
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States322 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 05:24:00
January 05 2014 05:23 GMT
#51
This makes me so nostalgic for 2007-2011. So many memories. Still the best game ever. BW will never die
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orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
January 05 2014 05:42 GMT
#52
I've fully transitioned to sc2 and haven't been following the BW scene anymore (followed it for 10 years before that). I was wondering how well is the BW scene doing these days, who are the major sponsors, and is it financially stable to still attract new players to sustain it for the coming years? Or will it cease to exist when these veterans decide to stop? Just curious, thanks.
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
jtp118
Profile Joined November 2010
United States137 Posts
January 05 2014 05:56 GMT
#53
maybe you shouldn't be comparing Sea vs Killer to the great BW rivalries ...?
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
January 05 2014 06:25 GMT
#54
Next time Bisu will be #1, no controversy
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Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
January 05 2014 06:58 GMT
#55
On January 05 2014 15:25 Falling wrote:
Next time Bisu will be #1, no controversy

Piano still #1 in my heart.
En Taro Violet
mjuuy
Profile Joined May 2012
Norway506 Posts
January 05 2014 06:59 GMT
#56
Yum Bo Sung best!!
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬. 우정호 1988 - 2012
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
January 05 2014 07:03 GMT
#57
Bisu shouldn't be 3rd... Not enough games played. I mean Bisu totally has a shot at 1. and even SSL 9, but he still hasn't proven himself definitively.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
January 05 2014 08:20 GMT
#58
There should be Stork and Leta in this list...
myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
January 05 2014 08:20 GMT
#59
Jangbi would own if he only played.
I think Bisu is better than Sea.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
January 05 2014 08:30 GMT
#60
Sea
Jaedong :3
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 05 2014 08:41 GMT
#61
intermind greatest complainer because of his monotone voice
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 08:53:32
January 05 2014 08:52 GMT
#62
Sea vs Bisu new friends rivalry.. with a Jangbi cake thrown in. Can't fucking wait!! :D

Edit: We all need a little more PianO.
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
January 05 2014 09:58 GMT
#63
Wait, Proleague still does BW?
Liquid Fighting
lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 10:00:51
January 05 2014 09:59 GMT
#64
Bisu #1, Killer #2, Sea #3.

Sea is getting way too much credit. Killer's 2nd consecutive SSL win is worth more than all of Sea's SRTs put together (OSL vs Intel Classic). Let's not forget that Sea has self-destructed in key matches as of late and many of those SRT wins came before the floodgates to Afreeca really opened in terms of pro-gamer migration. He's still formidable, but just doesn't have the feel of a #1.

Just an opinion though. Not really saying that it's true.
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
January 05 2014 10:00 GMT
#65
I agree with rankings 1-3 ^____^ Thanks TL writers - there are so few of you left ;;
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
January 05 2014 10:08 GMT
#66
On January 05 2014 16:03 thezanursic wrote:
Bisu shouldn't be 3rd... Not enough games played. I mean Bisu totally has a shot at 1. and even SSL 9, but he still hasn't proven himself definitively.

I dunno, Bisu has apparently played 442 games vs Afreeca BJs and won 303.

25:19 vs Sea, 18:8 vs Killer, 26:11 vs Hero, 20:3 vs sSak (other players in the power rank top 5). That's seems enough to justify ranking Bisu #1 if we are just trying to guess the player's condition over the last 2-3 months.
fishbowl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1575 Posts
January 05 2014 10:37 GMT
#67
I will always support Kim Taek-Yong. I pray for his success in SSL. Thanks for the power ranks though. Your contribution to keeping the foreign BW news coverage alive does not go unappreciated.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9499 Posts
January 05 2014 10:38 GMT
#68
On January 05 2014 12:07 Frankenberry wrote:
This might not be the right place to ask this question, but I'll do it anyways.

Is there a place were I can watch vods of the brood war scene with english commentary of these top tier player games ? I would like to follow this scene a bit, since the game is just to good

Sayle casted Sonic's proleague finals a week ago (much recommended):


On January 05 2014 18:58 Survivor61316 wrote:
Wait, Proleague still does BW?

This is Sonic's version of proleague
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 11:23:28
January 05 2014 10:49 GMT
#69
Sea 1# is like 3 months lag.
Sea should be like 4 or 5

edit : guess sea fandom is powerful
edit2 : besides not making piano like 3# or 6# is like saying "i didnt watch snipe at all the past weeks / months"

atm it should look like that :

bisu / piano / killer / shuttle / mong / sea / jaehoon > first tier (hiya & jangbang depending on the week)
larva / movie / hero / sky / britney / zero / ssak > second tier

edit : ruining magnificient OP formating with disastrous ranking no =(
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
January 05 2014 11:04 GMT
#70
On January 05 2014 19:08 lemmata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 16:03 thezanursic wrote:
Bisu shouldn't be 3rd... Not enough games played. I mean Bisu totally has a shot at 1. and even SSL 9, but he still hasn't proven himself definitively.

I dunno, Bisu has apparently played 442 games vs Afreeca BJs and won 303.

25:19 vs Sea, 18:8 vs Killer, 26:11 vs Hero, 20:3 vs sSak (other players in the power rank top 5). That's seems enough to justify ranking Bisu #1 if we are just trying to guess the player's condition over the last 2-3 months.


Where did you find those stats?
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neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 11:55:31
January 05 2014 11:52 GMT
#71
On January 05 2014 18:58 Survivor61316 wrote:
Wait, Proleague still does BW?


SPL as in Sospa Proleague

edit: or Shinbalfarm or SonicTV or whatever! :p
maru G5L pls
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
January 05 2014 12:52 GMT
#72
On January 05 2014 19:49 Boonbag wrote:
Sea 1# is like 3 months lag.
Sea should be like 4 or 5

edit : guess sea fandom is powerful
edit2 : besides not making piano like 3# or 6# is like saying "i didnt watch snipe at all the past weeks / months"

atm it should look like that :

bisu / piano / killer / shuttle / mong / sea / jaehoon > first tier (hiya & jangbang depending on the week)
larva / movie / hero / sky / britney / zero / ssak > second tier

edit : ruining magnificient OP formating with disastrous ranking no =(

It's a SOSPA ranking, not a fucking fish ranking just check http://www.fishbattle.net/rank_ladder

WOW SHINEE #1 EVERY FUCKING WEEK, douchebag
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
January 05 2014 12:58 GMT
#73
Really liking the current power rank. I even agree that Bisu shouldn't be place #1, since the results are considered over a longer period than he's been playing.

Two questions though:
1. Shouldn't Light deserve some kind of recognition? He's really good these days, even gives Bisu trouble.
2. Shouldn't Movie's win in Shanghai at least be mentioned, and perhaps also count for something in the ranking?
Brood War is alive and well.
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
January 05 2014 13:00 GMT
#74
On January 05 2014 20:52 neptunusfisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 18:58 Survivor61316 wrote:
Wait, Proleague still does BW?


SPL as in Sospa Proleague

edit: or Shinbalfarm or SonicTV or whatever! :p

it's SBENU TeamLeague officially ^^ (Sonic's shoe brand)
En Taro Violet
Frankenberry
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark302 Posts
January 05 2014 14:42 GMT
#75
On January 05 2014 19:38 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 12:07 Frankenberry wrote:
This might not be the right place to ask this question, but I'll do it anyways.

Is there a place were I can watch vods of the brood war scene with english commentary of these top tier player games ? I would like to follow this scene a bit, since the game is just to good

Sayle casted Sonic's proleague finals a week ago (much recommended): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVRibhAGjbk&list=PLjAbWeY6T905xVq2P055Uv7DAA7Ps5n9I

Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 18:58 Survivor61316 wrote:
Wait, Proleague still does BW?

This is Sonic's version of proleague


Thank you very much
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 15:02:42
January 05 2014 14:54 GMT
#76
On January 05 2014 21:52 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 19:49 Boonbag wrote:
Sea 1# is like 3 months lag.
Sea should be like 4 or 5

edit : guess sea fandom is powerful
edit2 : besides not making piano like 3# or 6# is like saying "i didnt watch snipe at all the past weeks / months"

atm it should look like that :

bisu / piano / killer / shuttle / mong / sea / jaehoon > first tier (hiya & jangbang depending on the week)
larva / movie / hero / sky / britney / zero / ssak > second tier

edit : ruining magnificient OP formating with disastrous ranking no =(

It's a SOSPA ranking, not a fucking fish ranking just check http://www.fishbattle.net/rank_ladder

WOW SHINEE #1 EVERY FUCKING WEEK, douchebag


says BW power rank....

lenmata's posts a little above mine is pretty instructive too
besides the competitive field changed alot the last few months
if you only account for "official" games then why not count as well balloon matches ?
what i mean is that "only sospa" in itself isn't reflecting the true skill of every player atm as it doesnt picture properly the whole field

your ranking is actually more like "pre retirement wave sospa ranking" or "2013 sospa ranking"
GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
January 05 2014 15:13 GMT
#77
On January 05 2014 19:38 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 12:07 Frankenberry wrote:
This might not be the right place to ask this question, but I'll do it anyways.

Is there a place were I can watch vods of the brood war scene with english commentary of these top tier player games ? I would like to follow this scene a bit, since the game is just to good

Sayle casted Sonic's proleague finals a week ago (much recommended): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVRibhAGjbk&list=PLjAbWeY6T905xVq2P055Uv7DAA7Ps5n9I

Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 18:58 Survivor61316 wrote:
Wait, Proleague still does BW?

This is Sonic's version of proleague


Thanks for the link! Just rewatched that game because I couldn't catch all the trash talk when it was live due to the low resolution. The taunts between the two are hilarious.
Brood War is alive and well.
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
January 05 2014 16:01 GMT
#78
You get to pick a player versus any other randomly chosen BW player. If your chosen player loses, you get castrated. Otherwise you keep the family jewels.

I can't see people not picking Bisu so he's #1.
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
January 05 2014 16:04 GMT
#79
Bisu number 1 in terms of "force."

Shit I miss those asinine discussions about force on BW Power rank.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
January 05 2014 16:07 GMT
#80
no zelot? joke ranking
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 16:19:30
January 05 2014 16:18 GMT
#81
On January 05 2014 23:54 Boonbag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 21:52 Epoxide wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:49 Boonbag wrote:
Sea 1# is like 3 months lag.
Sea should be like 4 or 5

edit : guess sea fandom is powerful
edit2 : besides not making piano like 3# or 6# is like saying "i didnt watch snipe at all the past weeks / months"

atm it should look like that :

bisu / piano / killer / shuttle / mong / sea / jaehoon > first tier (hiya & jangbang depending on the week)
larva / movie / hero / sky / britney / zero / ssak > second tier

edit : ruining magnificient OP formating with disastrous ranking no =(

It's a SOSPA ranking, not a fucking fish ranking just check http://www.fishbattle.net/rank_ladder

WOW SHINEE #1 EVERY FUCKING WEEK, douchebag


says BW power rank....

lenmata's posts a little above mine is pretty instructive too
besides the competitive field changed alot the last few months
if you only account for "official" games then why not count as well balloon matches ?
what i mean is that "only sospa" in itself isn't reflecting the true skill of every player atm as it doesnt picture properly the whole field

your ranking is actually more like "pre retirement wave sospa ranking" or "2013 sospa ranking"

The image says SOSPA Top 10, and the power rank is taking results from last pr to this one.
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
January 05 2014 17:34 GMT
#82
I missed the "sospa top 10".
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10141 Posts
January 05 2014 18:02 GMT
#83
On January 05 2014 09:10 Birdie wrote:
Pff hero #4 behind bisu? Ridiculous, bisu played all of 13 games and only 3 PvZs, lost to hero, only won vs noob zergs. No titles, nothing to show. Hero with 100% winrate vs protoss except last couple games for 4 months, only dropping ZvZ vs Killer and once vs beast (and Killer is definitely better ZvZ), and a pretty decent winrate vs terran, hero definitely deserves to play higher than bisu. Bisu fanboyism placing him so high when he has yet to prove himself in SOSPA, definitely premature.

Much as I may hate it, Killer losing always vs Sea is a valid reason to place Sea higher, but if Killer starts winning when they meet then I think he'd take #1 spot for sure, they're both outstanding players though.

Lol? Bisu fanboyism from 2Pac? Did you see how much Bisu got talked down throughout the article? I was going to come in here and claim this a product of a Bisu ANTI-fan. Bisu's placement is fair because results are not as important as actual play. Please, stop with the shameful bias.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
January 05 2014 18:14 GMT
#84
On January 06 2014 03:02 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 09:10 Birdie wrote:
Pff hero #4 behind bisu? Ridiculous, bisu played all of 13 games and only 3 PvZs, lost to hero, only won vs noob zergs. No titles, nothing to show. Hero with 100% winrate vs protoss except last couple games for 4 months, only dropping ZvZ vs Killer and once vs beast (and Killer is definitely better ZvZ), and a pretty decent winrate vs terran, hero definitely deserves to play higher than bisu. Bisu fanboyism placing him so high when he has yet to prove himself in SOSPA, definitely premature.

Much as I may hate it, Killer losing always vs Sea is a valid reason to place Sea higher, but if Killer starts winning when they meet then I think he'd take #1 spot for sure, they're both outstanding players though.

Lol? Bisu fanboyism from 2Pac? Did you see how much Bisu got talked down throughout the article? I was going to come in here and claim this a product of a Bisu ANTI-fan.

I was planning on placing Bisu on like sixth, but I had to acknowledge how scary he is right now
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10151 Posts
January 05 2014 19:57 GMT
#85
On January 05 2014 09:12 StarStruck wrote:
Sorry Flash,

There is a new God in town. [image loading]

how dare you.

BW back and here to stay. :D sea is a beast.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
January 05 2014 20:17 GMT
#86
On January 06 2014 01:01 hariooo wrote:
You get to pick a player versus any other randomly chosen BW player. If your chosen player loses, you get castrated. Otherwise you keep the family jewels.

I can't see people not picking Bisu so he's #1.

I'd pick Killer still.
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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
January 05 2014 20:55 GMT
#87
On January 06 2014 01:07 Sayle wrote:
no zelot? joke ranking

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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
January 05 2014 21:03 GMT
#88
Vehement arguements over BW Power Ranking.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
January 05 2014 21:31 GMT
#89
On January 05 2014 13:57 Birdie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 10:56 Harem wrote:
On January 05 2014 09:58 Birdie wrote:
On January 05 2014 09:39 Harem wrote:
On January 05 2014 09:10 Birdie wrote:
Pff hero #4 behind bisu? Ridiculous, bisu played all of 13 games and only 3 PvZs, lost to hero, only won vs noob zergs. No titles, nothing to show. Hero with 100% winrate vs protoss except last couple games for 4 months, only dropping ZvZ vs Killer and once vs beast (and Killer is definitely better ZvZ), and a pretty decent winrate vs terran, hero definitely deserves to play higher than bisu. Bisu fanboyism placing him so high when he has yet to prove himself in SOSPA, definitely premature.

Much as I may hate it, Killer losing always vs Sea is a valid reason to place Sea higher, but if Killer starts winning when they meet then I think he'd take #1 spot for sure, they're both outstanding players though.

Hero's zvt and zvz are as mediocre as they get. (and Killer and Zero have better zvp when Zero isnt being a depressing emo) You should be instead be glad that Hero is placed as high as he is cause it probably won't last especially with the amount of terrans lately.

Hero almost super threw the game vs Bisu on Jade too by letting Bisu break out of contain much easier than should have happened. He kept majority of lurkers clumped in a location where goon/ht will easily whittle them away. He also only sent a single scourge to kill obs when he had plenty more just outside the contain.

Hero mediocre ZvZ? He only ever loses consistently to Killer. For almost the ENTIRE of 2013 he only lost to Killer and one game to beast, he won every other ZvZ. And he won a fair few vs Killer too. In fact, hero has the best ZvZ winrate of any player against Killer, with only Cola and Beast even taking games off Killer. And while his ZvT appears lacking, if you actually look at his wins/losses he wins quite a lot vs top terrans, he just doesn't have as dominant a ZvT as Killer. He's still easily second best Zerg in SOSPA and third best player, no question.

If you are going to quote stats then at least get them right, (This is all from this year which you specified)

He lost a bo3 2-0 to Larva in SRT 11. He lost a bo5 3-2 to Beast in very same SRT11. In SRT12, he yet again lost to Beast 3-2. He also dropped a game to Zelot in the SSL Seeding Match and then dropped another game to Zelot when he lost 3-1. He also dropped another game to Beast in recent PL game. That isn't dropping "1 game" to zergs not Killer. It was also a bit misleading to try and frame it like you did when he didnt have broadcasted zvz games for so many months. Plus, he even loses bo3 zvz to Sziky who is good but not #4 in SOSPA good.

I wasnt even just referring to his sospa games (or meant statistics) when I made original post either. I was talking about his gameplay itself as I watch his stream a lot. Majority of the time it's standard, uninspired zvz or zvt while getting rolled. Besides his burrow openings that he rarely does zvt, it's super easy to anticipate what he will do and counter accordingly hence why you see Ssak do so well vs Hero but so badly vs Killer.

Zergs in general will keep falling further and further down the rankings especially if Killer keeps up his current super lax practice routine and Zero's mentality continues to be at a level that makes Idra's look like Jaedong. Hero isnt the hero that the zerg race needs. :<

I said "almost" the entire of 2013, the games he lost were at the very start. No other Zerg has anywhere near the ZvZ results of hero, except for Killer. And ladder games don't count for much at all.

As for his ZvT, sure it's bad but he still gets decent results, not many other Zerg have results as good or better vs T.

I'd agree that his ZvP is much better than his ZvT and ZvZ, from watching his stream it seems like the reason for that is cos he plays a whole lot more ZvP than other matchups though. If he actually sat down and focused hard on learning his weaker matchups I could see him becoming very strong. But given his results I don't think anyone else deserves #3 spot like he does. sSak and Bisu have the potential to get it soon if they keep doing as well as they are but they're not there yet.

Being #2 zvt nowadays is like being married to Sayle while having the biggest boobs ever. It's worthless. The gap between Killer and all the other zergs in zvt is as depressing as it gets. (made even more depressing by fact that killer is barely practicing nowadays which could make him very snipable)

Hero has also spent a lot of time while streaming trying to focus on his zvt especially after all those times he got knocked out by terrans. It's not magically going to get better to point where he will ever win something big. He has pretty much peaked in terms of where his zvt can go and the amount of terrans nowadays just keeps growing.
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lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 21:37:56
January 05 2014 21:37 GMT
#90
On January 06 2014 06:31 Harem wrote:Being #2 zvt nowadays is like being married to Sayle while having the biggest boobs ever. It's worthless.

Can someone explain this for me? My best guess is that Sayle doesn't have hands, but that doesn't seem to fit the context.
miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 22:09:30
January 05 2014 22:00 GMT
#91
On January 05 2014 20:04 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 19:08 lemmata wrote:
On January 05 2014 16:03 thezanursic wrote:
Bisu shouldn't be 3rd... Not enough games played. I mean Bisu totally has a shot at 1. and even SSL 9, but he still hasn't proven himself definitively.

I dunno, Bisu has apparently played 442 games vs Afreeca BJs and won 303.

25:19 vs Sea, 18:8 vs Killer, 26:11 vs Hero, 20:3 vs sSak (other players in the power rank top 5). That's seems enough to justify ranking Bisu #1 if we are just trying to guess the player's condition over the last 2-3 months.


Where did you find those stats?


I am also interested, about the source, for these stats.

Edit: I just noticed the 20:3, what the hell is wrong with ssak..
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
January 05 2014 22:04 GMT
#92
On January 06 2014 07:00 miercat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 20:04 endy wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:08 lemmata wrote:
On January 05 2014 16:03 thezanursic wrote:
Bisu shouldn't be 3rd... Not enough games played. I mean Bisu totally has a shot at 1. and even SSL 9, but he still hasn't proven himself definitively.

I dunno, Bisu has apparently played 442 games vs Afreeca BJs and won 303.

25:19 vs Sea, 18:8 vs Killer, 26:11 vs Hero, 20:3 vs sSak (other players in the power rank top 5). That's seems enough to justify ranking Bisu #1 if we are just trying to guess the player's condition over the last 2-3 months.


Where did you find those stats?


I am also interested, about the source, for these stats.

Afreeca fans keep track of this for their favorites.
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Wedge
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
January 05 2014 22:25 GMT
#93
Oh yeeeeea

Love reading these again
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
January 05 2014 23:46 GMT
#94
Sea clearly deserves the #1
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lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-06 00:04:21
January 05 2014 23:55 GMT
#95
On January 06 2014 07:00 miercat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 20:04 endy wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:08 lemmata wrote:
On January 05 2014 16:03 thezanursic wrote:
Bisu shouldn't be 3rd... Not enough games played. I mean Bisu totally has a shot at 1. and even SSL 9, but he still hasn't proven himself definitively.

I dunno, Bisu has apparently played 442 games vs Afreeca BJs and won 303.

25:19 vs Sea, 18:8 vs Killer, 26:11 vs Hero, 20:3 vs sSak (other players in the power rank top 5). That's seems enough to justify ranking Bisu #1 if we are just trying to guess the player's condition over the last 2-3 months.


Where did you find those stats?


I am also interested, about the source, for these stats.

Edit: I just noticed the 20:3, what the hell is wrong with ssak..

Original Source from Bisu's channel: One of the many Bisu Cult followers kept track of every single Bisu game from the day he first descended to the Afreecan continent from the skies after being dropped by his Holy Speed Shuttle. He supposedly has maps, dates and times for everything.
2013 Bisu vs BJ Terran 228G 156W 72L(68.4%)
Bisu 25 :19 Sea
Bisu 13 :14 hiya
Bisu 32 :13 Mong
Bisu 20 : 3 sSak
Bisu 17 : 1 Shinee
Bisu 16 :12 Mind
Bisu 3 : 0 kkong
Bisu 5 : 1 Ample
Bisu 16 : 4 Piano
Bisu 9 : 4 Light

2013 Bisu vs BJ Zerg 168G 117W 51L(69.6%)
Bisu 22 :15 larva
Bisu 26 :11 hero
Bisu 18 : 8 killer
Bisu 16 : 1 Terror
Bisu 4 : 1 s2
Bisu 4 : 2 Snail
Bisu 19 :12 ZerO
Bisu 3 : 0 Zergman
Bisu 3 : 1 beast
Bisu 2 : 0 Kwanro

2013 Bisu vs BJ Protoss 46G 30W 16L(65.2%)
Bisu 3 : 6 Movie
Bisu 3 : 3 Shuttle
Bisu 4 : 0 Jaehoon
Bisu 2 : 4 Lazy
Bisu 3 : 0 Pure
Bisu 1 : 0 Hint
Bisu 1 : 0 Brave
Bisu 2 : 0 Tyson
Bisu 2 : 0 Pusan
Bisu 4 : 1 Mini
Bisu 1 : 2 Sky
Bisu 4 : 0 Jangbi

2013 Bisu vs BJ Overall Record 442G 303W 139L(68.5%)
shizzlle
Profile Joined December 2006
Australia9 Posts
January 06 2014 00:09 GMT
#96
Bisu 22 :15 larva


Interesting.. larva has a better vP than I thought.

Also, lazy fighting!
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 06 2014 00:28 GMT
#97
Sea is the best.
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gade1123
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
United States144 Posts
January 06 2014 01:44 GMT
#98
Jahngbijahnbijahngbi
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Jragon
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1471 Posts
January 06 2014 06:25 GMT
#99
Tyson is SillyToss. Bisu hwaiting!
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-06 06:30:11
January 06 2014 06:29 GMT
#100
On January 06 2014 08:55 lemmata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 07:00 miercat wrote:
On January 05 2014 20:04 endy wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:08 lemmata wrote:
On January 05 2014 16:03 thezanursic wrote:
Bisu shouldn't be 3rd... Not enough games played. I mean Bisu totally has a shot at 1. and even SSL 9, but he still hasn't proven himself definitively.

I dunno, Bisu has apparently played 442 games vs Afreeca BJs and won 303.

25:19 vs Sea, 18:8 vs Killer, 26:11 vs Hero, 20:3 vs sSak (other players in the power rank top 5). That's seems enough to justify ranking Bisu #1 if we are just trying to guess the player's condition over the last 2-3 months.


Where did you find those stats?


I am also interested, about the source, for these stats.

Edit: I just noticed the 20:3, what the hell is wrong with ssak..

Original Source from Bisu's channel: One of the many Bisu Cult followers kept track of every single Bisu game from the day he first descended to the Afreecan continent from the skies after being dropped by his Holy Speed Shuttle. He supposedly has maps, dates and times for everything.
Show nested quote +
2013 Bisu vs BJ Terran 228G 156W 72L(68.4%)
Bisu 25 :19 Sea
Bisu 13 :14 hiya
Bisu 32 :13 Mong
Bisu 20 : 3 sSak
Bisu 17 : 1 Shinee
Bisu 16 :12 Mind
Bisu 3 : 0 kkong
Bisu 5 : 1 Ample
Bisu 16 : 4 Piano
Bisu 9 : 4 Light

2013 Bisu vs BJ Zerg 168G 117W 51L(69.6%)
Bisu 22 :15 larva
Bisu 26 :11 hero
Bisu 18 : 8 killer
Bisu 16 : 1 Terror
Bisu 4 : 1 s2
Bisu 4 : 2 Snail
Bisu 19 :12 ZerO
Bisu 3 : 0 Zergman
Bisu 3 : 1 beast
Bisu 2 : 0 Kwanro

2013 Bisu vs BJ Protoss 46G 30W 16L(65.2%)
Bisu 3 : 6 Movie
Bisu 3 : 3 Shuttle
Bisu 4 : 0 Jaehoon
Bisu 2 : 4 Lazy
Bisu 3 : 0 Pure
Bisu 1 : 0 Hint
Bisu 1 : 0 Brave
Bisu 2 : 0 Tyson
Bisu 2 : 0 Pusan
Bisu 4 : 1 Mini
Bisu 1 : 2 Sky
Bisu 4 : 0 Jangbi

2013 Bisu vs BJ Overall Record 442G 303W 139L(68.5%)


Bisu will destroy everyone in 2014, including the feelings of the biased Power Rank writers waahahaha
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10141 Posts
January 06 2014 07:45 GMT
#101
On January 06 2014 03:14 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 03:02 Jealous wrote:
On January 05 2014 09:10 Birdie wrote:
Pff hero #4 behind bisu? Ridiculous, bisu played all of 13 games and only 3 PvZs, lost to hero, only won vs noob zergs. No titles, nothing to show. Hero with 100% winrate vs protoss except last couple games for 4 months, only dropping ZvZ vs Killer and once vs beast (and Killer is definitely better ZvZ), and a pretty decent winrate vs terran, hero definitely deserves to play higher than bisu. Bisu fanboyism placing him so high when he has yet to prove himself in SOSPA, definitely premature.

Much as I may hate it, Killer losing always vs Sea is a valid reason to place Sea higher, but if Killer starts winning when they meet then I think he'd take #1 spot for sure, they're both outstanding players though.

Lol? Bisu fanboyism from 2Pac? Did you see how much Bisu got talked down throughout the article? I was going to come in here and claim this a product of a Bisu ANTI-fan.

I was planning on placing Bisu on like sixth, but I had to acknowledge how scary he is right now

My apologies, accidentally read him as being the writer because he was first post. I think your ranking is acceptably fair, although I would have accepted anything 6th-3rd. His strength lies just as much in his dominance as in his potential, what he has done as in what he could do. That is a valid, although more subjective, definition of a player's "Power" I think - therefore, perfect for a "Power" rank.
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
January 06 2014 07:47 GMT
#102
The SOSPA scene is getting stronger and stronger, it's amazing. Now when voting in Liquibet and just looking at all the players, it's like the whole old BW scene is back, looking pretty epic. (Go minidong!)
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Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
January 06 2014 08:12 GMT
#103
Terran - Zerg - Protoss each have a spot on top 3?! Love it.
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Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
January 06 2014 08:49 GMT
#104
On January 06 2014 08:55 lemmata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 07:00 miercat wrote:
On January 05 2014 20:04 endy wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:08 lemmata wrote:
On January 05 2014 16:03 thezanursic wrote:
Bisu shouldn't be 3rd... Not enough games played. I mean Bisu totally has a shot at 1. and even SSL 9, but he still hasn't proven himself definitively.

I dunno, Bisu has apparently played 442 games vs Afreeca BJs and won 303.

25:19 vs Sea, 18:8 vs Killer, 26:11 vs Hero, 20:3 vs sSak (other players in the power rank top 5). That's seems enough to justify ranking Bisu #1 if we are just trying to guess the player's condition over the last 2-3 months.


Where did you find those stats?


I am also interested, about the source, for these stats.

Edit: I just noticed the 20:3, what the hell is wrong with ssak..

Original Source from Bisu's channel: One of the many Bisu Cult followers kept track of every single Bisu game from the day he first descended to the Afreecan continent from the skies after being dropped by his Holy Speed Shuttle. He supposedly has maps, dates and times for everything.
Show nested quote +
2013 Bisu vs BJ Terran 228G 156W 72L(68.4%)
Bisu 25 :19 Sea
Bisu 13 :14 hiya
Bisu 32 :13 Mong
Bisu 20 : 3 sSak
Bisu 17 : 1 Shinee
Bisu 16 :12 Mind
Bisu 3 : 0 kkong
Bisu 5 : 1 Ample
Bisu 16 : 4 Piano
Bisu 9 : 4 Light

2013 Bisu vs BJ Zerg 168G 117W 51L(69.6%)
Bisu 22 :15 larva
Bisu 26 :11 hero
Bisu 18 : 8 killer
Bisu 16 : 1 Terror
Bisu 4 : 1 s2
Bisu 4 : 2 Snail
Bisu 19 :12 ZerO
Bisu 3 : 0 Zergman
Bisu 3 : 1 beast
Bisu 2 : 0 Kwanro

2013 Bisu vs BJ Protoss 46G 30W 16L(65.2%)
Bisu 3 : 6 Movie
Bisu 3 : 3 Shuttle
Bisu 4 : 0 Jaehoon
Bisu 2 : 4 Lazy
Bisu 3 : 0 Pure
Bisu 1 : 0 Hint
Bisu 1 : 0 Brave
Bisu 2 : 0 Tyson
Bisu 2 : 0 Pusan
Bisu 4 : 1 Mini
Bisu 1 : 2 Sky
Bisu 4 : 0 Jangbi

2013 Bisu vs BJ Overall Record 442G 303W 139L(68.5%)


Hope Hiya, Movie, Lazy, and Sky get eliminated early on.

Who am I kidding? Bisu gonna own them all.
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TehRei
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden261 Posts
January 06 2014 17:40 GMT
#105
I'm relieved to see that you've finally come to your senses and put Sea at #1. (Obviously, he should've gotten first place in the August power rank as well, but better late than never I guess )
The rest of the list looks pretty reasonable actually, although I haven't had as much time to watch proleague as I would've liked, so I'm not really qualified to argue about it (except for Sea being #1 for-evah, obviously).
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
January 07 2014 06:11 GMT
#106
On January 05 2014 08:28 Selenus wrote:
Show nested quote +
Note: Bisu has zero medals.


This is my all-time favorite power rank.


You bloody SKT T1 traitor!

On January 06 2014 07:00 miercat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 20:04 endy wrote:
On January 05 2014 19:08 lemmata wrote:
On January 05 2014 16:03 thezanursic wrote:
Bisu shouldn't be 3rd... Not enough games played. I mean Bisu totally has a shot at 1. and even SSL 9, but he still hasn't proven himself definitively.

I dunno, Bisu has apparently played 442 games vs Afreeca BJs and won 303.

25:19 vs Sea, 18:8 vs Killer, 26:11 vs Hero, 20:3 vs sSak (other players in the power rank top 5). That's seems enough to justify ranking Bisu #1 if we are just trying to guess the player's condition over the last 2-3 months.


Where did you find those stats?

Edit: I just noticed the 20:3, what the hell is wrong with ssak..


Team-kill residue. Both were together on SKT for quite a while, that's a huge psychological block when you're getting stomped in-house by him regularly.

Also, I'd say Bisu not being in top 2 is expected. SSL 9 SHOULD tell us if he deserves to jump over either Sea or Killer.
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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 06:48:49
January 07 2014 06:22 GMT
#107
Bisu vs Tyson bo3 on snipe2 right now
+ Show Spoiler +
Tyson wins 2-0

edit: or not a bo3? they are playing more!
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Tyson 3-0 Bisu
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fuhuodezero
Profile Joined January 2013
3 Posts
January 10 2014 10:01 GMT
#108
why i can't find other power rank article of BW??

such as Sep of 2013

somebody could help me or give me a LINK of PowerRANK?
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
January 10 2014 11:05 GMT
#109
On January 10 2014 19:01 fuhuodezero wrote:
why i can't find other power rank article of BW??

such as Sep of 2013

somebody could help me or give me a LINK of PowerRANK?

Solved via PM
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Gene(S)is
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden419 Posts
January 10 2014 22:03 GMT
#110
Nice to see Sea is the #1, I love that guy
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
January 10 2014 22:33 GMT
#111
On January 06 2014 09:09 shizzlle wrote:
Show nested quote +
Bisu 22 :15 larva


Interesting.. larva has a better vP than I thought.

Also, lazy fighting!


that's cause Larva was Bisu's PvZ bitch back their SKT days...
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ShivaRee
Profile Joined October 2010
China43 Posts
January 17 2014 12:41 GMT
#112
Thanks. Nice power rank to get closer to BW, and is there anyone kind to tell me what does SRT stand for?
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Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
January 17 2014 12:46 GMT
#113
On January 17 2014 21:41 ShivaRee wrote:
Thanks. Nice power rank to get closer to BW, and is there anyone kind to tell me what does SRT stand for?

SRT = http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/SOSPA_Ranking_Tournament
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Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-17 12:48:19
January 17 2014 12:46 GMT
#114
stands for Sospa Ranking Tournament
edit Stratos too ninja
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deducter
Profile Joined May 2011
United States80 Posts
January 17 2014 17:03 GMT
#115
I've been absent from Brood War since the last OSL, and it's like waking up in an alternate universe. Sea with 5 gold medals? What is going on?!

But seriously, this is awesome. Now if only we can get Stork, Flash, and Jaedong back...
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Profile Blog Joined December 2013
United States144 Posts
February 07 2014 14:57 GMT
#116
sorry to necro a thread but this is a fucking weird thread.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19231 Posts
March 27 2014 14:27 GMT
#117
I'm just gonna leave this here for anyone arguing.
Note: Bisu has zero medals.

Best part of that whole PR write up.

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