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On December 02 2013 19:17 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 19:15 Stratos wrote:On December 02 2013 19:11 figq wrote:Who is Kespa? ~_^  Hope this fails. Long live Savior and hope he wins many other prizes in BW. The only positive thing in their action, if any, is - wtf, "ded gaem?!" Not so ded anymore, as you can see! Lawyers are about to fight over it again. So it appears that the controversy/greatness of Savior can actually bring life to a scene, just you wait. KeSPA and Blizzard will gangbang the chinese scene and make sure BW Asia Open doesn't happen for a long time. That's all Savior managed to do for this game. gj Oh, and suddenly Blizzard even knows that BW exists??
They know because by participating in this, Savior gave KeSPA a way to get back at BW. 30:1 koreans hate the idea of Savior making money in BW so they'll applaud this as Chinese BW gets a huge blow.
If a foreigner like me knew enough to guess something like this would happen it's clear Savior must have been aware as well. Does it surprise anyone he didn't give a shit? lol
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On December 02 2013 19:15 Stratos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 19:11 figq wrote:Who is Kespa? ~_^ Hope this fails. Long live Savior and hope he wins many other prizes in BW. The only positive thing in their action, if any, is - wtf, "ded gaem?!" Not so ded anymore, as you can see! Lawyers are about to fight over it again. So it appears that the controversy/greatness of Savior can actually bring life to a scene, just you wait. KeSPA and Blizzard will gangbang the chinese scene and make sure BW Asia Open doesn't happen for a long time. That's all Savior managed to do for this game. gj
Does China even care for licensing issues? It's not like this country is known to uphold international copy right laws and whatnot.
Futhermore, it's a bit too easy to blame all of this only on sAviOr ignoring the fact. It's not like this tournament happened out of a sudden, KeSPA could've tried to contact the Chinese before anything was set in stone, no? This is just a dick move.
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On December 02 2013 19:21 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 19:15 Stratos wrote:On December 02 2013 19:11 figq wrote:Who is Kespa? ~_^ Hope this fails. Long live Savior and hope he wins many other prizes in BW. The only positive thing in their action, if any, is - wtf, "ded gaem?!" Not so ded anymore, as you can see! Lawyers are about to fight over it again. So it appears that the controversy/greatness of Savior can actually bring life to a scene, just you wait. KeSPA and Blizzard will gangbang the chinese scene and make sure BW Asia Open doesn't happen for a long time. That's all Savior managed to do for this game. gj Does China even care for licensing issues? It's not like this country is known to uphold international copy right laws and whatnot. Futhermore, it's a bit too easy to blame all of this only on sAviOr ignoring the fact. It's not like this tournament happened out of a sudden, KeSPA could've tried to contact the Chinese before anything was set in stone, no? This is just a dick move.
Movie was invited but he turned it down upon hearing Savior would be participating. Then Savior didn't qualify so Movie accepted the invitation. But then sponsor insisted on Savior's participation so he became a unwanted company to Movie.
KeSPA probably didn't even see the tournament coming until there were photos of savior hugging everyone in China. - Why should they (if there was no savior)? If they'd attack that they'd get a lot of shit from BW fans. Once there's Savior, all that changes. I agree it'll be a dick move (if they shut it down entirely), but it's a dick move facilitated by Savior's participation.
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Neither Kespa nor blizzard have any power over Chinese BW. They can't do squat.
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Btw. even if Blizzard ends up doing nothing this is bad news for SoSPA anyway. Sonic is soon to be dealing with major companies to sponsor SSL9 and this kind of news won't be very beneficial. It probably wouldn't matter to the sponsors that Savior wasn't and isn't allowed in SoSPA. They might just see some controversial news in the scene and put their hands away.
As you may or may not know, Sonic also requested Savior's participation would be cancelled. He was in one way or another told to go fuck himself by the Chinese organizators. That's also very healthy for the scene. +2 for savior I guess?
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My huge problem is still that there are three parties I don't like at all - KeSPA, Blizzard and Savior. Everyone loses from this, I don't see how this is savior's fault alone. Blizzard, for now, has not posted an official statement, so I stop hating them for a moment. I still think it's super Kindergarten that a company suddenly drops the nuke hammer and does everything to shit on what's going on in the BW community, because one tournament in a foreign country they not really cared about until it was too late features a guy they blamed a lot for their own failures in the past, regardless of how bad savior was. If they would have actually followed a simple line and never did shit wrong, I could understand the reaction up to some point. It's not like they didn't censor interviews about by ex-Stars when these lost on purpose in WCG and then didn't follow up with any sanctions there. And yes, this did happen as well.
I'm sure a statement filled with rage pointing fingers at China would've done the trick, if phrased carefully. There's no need to threaten with legal consequences, especially if they can't be sure if that's going to work one way or the other, or what their buddy is eventually going to do. As greenelve pointed out earlier, it's really ironic.
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On December 02 2013 19:20 Glioburd wrote:
Why sAviOr couldn't play a foreign non-kespa league ?
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I though Savior was banned on KeSPA events not Brood:War in general . And why the hell KeSPA even care if they decided to not promote bw in the first place.
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KeSPA is like "Hey Blizzard you sued us for running a tournament without paying you royalties, but what about this particular Chinese tournament with a match fixer playing in it?"
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On December 02 2013 19:36 GeckoXp wrote:
My huge problem is still that there are three parties I don't like at all - KeSPA, Blizzard and Savior. Everyone loses from this, I don't see how this is savior's fault alone. Blizzard, for now, has not posted an official statement, so I stop hating them for a moment. I still think it's super Kindergarten that a company suddenly drops the nuke hammer and does everything to shit on what's going on in the BW community, because one tournament in a foreign country they not really cared about until it was too late features a guy they blamed a lot for their own failures in the past, regardless of how bad savior was. If they would have actually followed a simple line and never did shit wrong, I could understand the reaction up to some point. It's not like they didn't censor interviews about by ex-Stars when these lost on purpose in WCG and then didn't follow up with any sanctions there. And yes, this did happen as well.
I'm sure a statement filled with rage pointing fingers at China would've done the trick, if phrased carefully. There's no need to threaten with legal consequences, especially if they can't be sure if that's going to work one way or the other, or what their buddy is eventually going to do. As greenelve pointed out earlier, it's really ironic.
I never said it's savior's fault alone and I dislike the organizations you mention as well. But the simple fact is that savior's persistent streaming is harmful to the scene in general (makes people refer to afreeca streaming as criminal streaming, see oov's message = bad PR) and by participating in something like this savior opened the door for kespa+blizzard to take advantage of it and use it against BW.
If this helps get rid of the guy for good I won't even mind Chinese BW taking the blow - this is how many Koreans will feel. Well played. The fact that many people on TL won't feel this way doesn't change the fact that that's what it is where it matters.
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On December 02 2013 19:44 Stratos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 19:36 GeckoXp wrote:
My huge problem is still that there are three parties I don't like at all - KeSPA, Blizzard and Savior. Everyone loses from this, I don't see how this is savior's fault alone. Blizzard, for now, has not posted an official statement, so I stop hating them for a moment. I still think it's super Kindergarten that a company suddenly drops the nuke hammer and does everything to shit on what's going on in the BW community, because one tournament in a foreign country they not really cared about until it was too late features a guy they blamed a lot for their own failures in the past, regardless of how bad savior was. If they would have actually followed a simple line and never did shit wrong, I could understand the reaction up to some point. It's not like they didn't censor interviews about by ex-Stars when these lost on purpose in WCG and then didn't follow up with any sanctions there. And yes, this did happen as well.
I'm sure a statement filled with rage pointing fingers at China would've done the trick, if phrased carefully. There's no need to threaten with legal consequences, especially if they can't be sure if that's going to work one way or the other, or what their buddy is eventually going to do. As greenelve pointed out earlier, it's really ironic. I never said it's savior's fault alone and I dislike the organizations you mention as well. But the simple fact is that savior's persistent streaming is harmful to the scene in general (makes people refer to afreeca streaming as criminal streaming, see oov's message = bad PR) and by participating in something like this savior opened the door for kespa+blizzard to take advantage of it and use it against BW. If this helps get rid of the guy for good I won't even mind Chinese BW taking the blow - this is how many Koreans will feel. Well played. The fact that many people on TL won't feel this way doesn't change the fact that that's what it is where it matters.
Doesn't change that it is beyond stupid. On all parts. I like the ordinary BW constellation, where everyone loses and nobody wins. We're quite good at that.
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Ya I wish he won 2500$ it was 25000$
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Its simple, kespa see how well goes the tournament on china and how bad is sc2 doing on proleague studio . And people saying sonic asked to denied savior i doubt it. Sonic was o e of the guys that wanted savior stream and play on his tours but fans reaction wasnt good so he kicked him banned after that.
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On December 02 2013 18:54 Stratos wrote:
This is an expected follow-up to how savior's participation is perceived in Korea, I.e. unlike on TL, which is irrelevant, 30:1 people hate the idea of him making money in BW.
Now kespa and blizzard can use this opportunity to 1) send a message to all matchfixers 2) kick the dying dog that is BW.
Who should we be mad at? Savior is well aware of his presence hurting what's left of the scene but does he give a shit? He just had a great trip and made 25k. So much for your hero reviving BW.
How does thiz equivalate to kicking a dying dog considering that SCNTV is new. It's like kicking a wounded recovering dog :p
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The irony makes me giggle.
The "E-sports association" that switched away from Broodwar asks the company that replaced Broodwar with an inferior game to stop the guy that was supposed to almost have killed Esports from playing in tournaments neither of them are supporting and which nevertheless create considerable interest in a game they both abandoned.
On another note, Savior is still a scumbag and can fuck off.
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I don't care in this case.
Him winning money off the game he killed isn't right. That feeling overwhelms everything else.
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On December 02 2013 18:31 Hyeon wrote:
please, stop suking Savior and other matchfix guys.
He ruined your fav MBC and Ongamenet broodwar league and damaged his progamer friends.
If he's a real person and has a "brain", he shouldn't show up on afreeca and beg money with broodwar.
Once again I'll bring up that the matchfixing wasn't the only, and wasn't even the main reason for that happening.
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fuck everything about savior and any league that lets him play, but I'm not sure blizzard getting involved is all that much better.
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Please consider the fact that SCNTV also hosts SC2 events so blizzard going against them would only harm SC2.
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On December 02 2013 19:02 L1ghtning wrote:
Kespa, why don't you just mind your own business? How much money have you invested into BW lately? I would never support a BW tournament involving Savior, but if some organizer wants to involve him, then fine. If Kespa hadn't destroyed the BW scene, there wouldn't even have been a demand for Savior.
This is just a bunch of ppl on Kespa who is still butthurt about the matchfixing, and now they're trying to use their favourable position with Blizzard to punish Savior. This has nothing to do with them wanting a clean BW scene. If they really cared about BW, they would host a BW tournament. They just want to punish Savior, again, for what he did, which is pretty lame.
On December 02 2013 19:06 Elroi wrote:
blizzard has done so much more to hurt BW than Savior & co ever did
Really? Is that what you really believe? Post-match fixing scandal the way the fans of BW and sponsors viewed the game in Korea changed completely. It became much much harder to secure sponsors, sponsors that were already in the scene started pulling out, and really could be the reason BW died a slow painful death as a KeSPA title.
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If it weren't for the match-fixing, BW most likely would've remained in a state with enough prestige and bargaining power to prevent what happened later.
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