You and a partner (necessary) face 6 insane comps, 2 of each race. I believe this map is much more difficult than Twilight Struggle. You will be surprised by how painful and annoying the computers' attacks can be later in the game >.
I have yet to beat it with anyone . Goodluck!
(edit: this is based on the 1.14 Blizzard map "River Runs Through It", by the way)
My roommate and I have made it 36 mins into the game, with seemingly a chance at winning but we realized that we need to take out both Terran players early to win, so we have to start over. We were replaying the game from saves in case anything went wrong and got some expos secured, but nuke + lockdown + bcs is too much, along with being defiled and attacked with ultras.
Our strategy is to go double P and cannon rush two bases to knock them out and then gain their bases as expos. Flower Toss FTW. I wonder if anyone else has had decent success with a different strategy.
i'll try it later, i like the flower toss idea to kill the terrans.. but i would leave an scv/depot alive to mind control. tanks are always nice vs crazy comps
Basically Bill defended while i killed the bottom left zerg/toss, then we both killed the left terran while i also killed the right toss and zerg, then we finished by both killing the right terran.
Me and Balloon did decently, lasted about 50 minutes and had taken out about 3/4 of them, but then we just couldn't continue because of "cannot create more units" and lost miserably because we couldn't make ANYTHING.
Some tricks: Mind Control on his best units . Units clocked by arbiters are not comsat scanned by computer AI. If you kill a computer's SCV when he build something the AI temporary stop until unfinished building is destroyed . Also it won't comsat scan if you attack his buildings with DT's . And can't resist to a full scale attack(200/200) .
On May 15 2011 10:44 Taekwon wrote: Quite the bump lol didya search "Twilight" in the search bar or something?
Nah, I knew about Twilight Struggle for a long time; just recently started playing again with my friend and we're looking for alternate versions because we really like the concept.
It really is quite a struggle, a friend and I tried it a couple times yesterday, lasted about 45 minutes in each case but we just got molested in the end lol, we need to work out a good strategy for it.
Anyone have some tips? The post a few years ago mentioned cannon rushing, but how are you supposed to cannon rush when they start with so many units? Unless two people have to cannon rush a base together? In which case how do you defend your own base?
I think once you get to late game its just impossible to win; their attacks are really nasty and the map is too wide open
Today my friend and I managed to actually kill a base! Some things we have realized:
1. Avoid 12 nex/14cc because its hard to hold off the first push otherwise 2. Cannon/turret up your expos really helps. 3. Attack individual bases first 4. Attack early before they get to late game tech
After we killed a base, the remaining comps went into late game mode and we got rolled. At this point I'm seriously considering a scout switch in late game because of the sheer amount of carriers and BCs they build. Either that or dark archons.
3 tries on this map with pyrogenetix lol, pretty intnse. first game was just trial to see how it was like. then 2nd time we tried to do mass mutas and scouts LOL but somehow it ddin't really work. fuck the fenixes and alan schezars man seriously they are tough as fuck holy shit.
then next time did hydraling + zeal archon temps whatever. but got so fucked by reavers on the ramps like what the fuck is that fucking shit 1 ramp into each base can't even get SHIT through and then while we're attacking 20,000 other units attack us at our base and we have jack nothign to defend then it just gets worse and worse and all our bases are running out of resources K@$!@$!@4
On May 22 2011 19:41 alffla wrote: 3 tries on this map with pyrogenetix lol, pretty intnse. first game was just trial to see how it was like. then 2nd time we tried to do mass mutas and scouts LOL but somehow it ddin't really work. fuck the fenixes and alan schezars man seriously they are tough as fuck holy shit.
then next time did hydraling + zeal archon temps whatever. but got so fucked by reavers on the ramps like what the fuck is that fucking shit 1 ramp into each base can't even get SHIT through and then while we're attacking 20,000 other units attack us at our base and we have jack nothign to defend then it just gets worse and worse and all our bases are running out of resources K@$!@$!@4
but i'm determined to try beat this lol
OMG i just realized the units the comps start with are HEROES not regular units
On May 22 2011 19:41 alffla wrote: 3 tries on this map with pyrogenetix lol, pretty intnse. first game was just trial to see how it was like. then 2nd time we tried to do mass mutas and scouts LOL but somehow it ddin't really work. fuck the fenixes and alan schezars man seriously they are tough as fuck holy shit.
then next time did hydraling + zeal archon temps whatever. but got so fucked by reavers on the ramps like what the fuck is that fucking shit 1 ramp into each base can't even get SHIT through and then while we're attacking 20,000 other units attack us at our base and we have jack nothign to defend then it just gets worse and worse and all our bases are running out of resources K@$!@$!@4
but i'm determined to try beat this lol
OMG i just realized the units the comps start with are HEROES not regular units
no wonder why attacking the bases is so hard LOL
You mean those are god damn FENIX'S and JIM RAYNORS that attack you at the start, not regular zealots and marines? Holy shit lol.
On May 22 2011 19:41 alffla wrote: 3 tries on this map with pyrogenetix lol, pretty intnse. first game was just trial to see how it was like. then 2nd time we tried to do mass mutas and scouts LOL but somehow it ddin't really work. fuck the fenixes and alan schezars man seriously they are tough as fuck holy shit.
then next time did hydraling + zeal archon temps whatever. but got so fucked by reavers on the ramps like what the fuck is that fucking shit 1 ramp into each base can't even get SHIT through and then while we're attacking 20,000 other units attack us at our base and we have jack nothign to defend then it just gets worse and worse and all our bases are running out of resources K@$!@$!@4
but i'm determined to try beat this lol
OMG i just realized the units the comps start with are HEROES not regular units
no wonder why attacking the bases is so hard LOL
You mean those are god damn FENIX'S and JIM RAYNORS that attack you at the start, not regular zealots and marines? Holy shit lol.
No they attack with regular zealots and marines
but the units guarding the bases are alan schezars, hunter killers and dragoon fenixes
how do u guys finish one 1 enemy base. we couldnt expand at all -.- non stop push. We should share out reps. My friend and I played T and def until 30ish min. And BCs,Carriers rolled all over us rofl. Nuclears too!
Just played it again, we lasted for one hour and managed to take out the T and P at top left but then our other bases ran out of money or got nuked/overran, the comps starting bases have over 5000 minerals in each mineral field though! So getting a hold of those is vital. Gonna attempt it again now.
We're both gonna go Protoss this time and try mass cannon/carrier.
Finally, another map that's like twilight struggle! I played it with a noob friend of mine, and had so much fun with it. So glad that there's another map of it's kind!! :D TY
omg i fucking beat it with a freind last night. il post rep later.
the thing was, the zerg ai on the top right somehow bugged out and didnt do anything after making its first basic unit attack (masslings) but all the other ais were playing normally i think..
On May 24 2011 05:56 SnowFantasy wrote: I beat this with a friend of mine a few days ago but I want to play it again. Seems like no one else does though. T_T;;
why would you want to do that map again =___= took us like 90min+ for the win at ~4am so pain
i haven't seen the map yet, but is it possible to beat it alone? i did twilight struggle alone a few times (i think i won with 2/3 of the races.. i forgot whether it was zerg or toss i couldn't do it with)
On May 24 2011 05:56 SnowFantasy wrote: I beat this with a friend of mine a few days ago but I want to play it again. Seems like no one else does though. T_T;;
why would you want to do that map again =___= took us like 90min+ for the win at ~4am so pain
Gotta get a faster time. It's all about speed running this stuff man.
edit: and the motw sucks so playing real games sucks.
On May 24 2011 10:06 alffla wrote: omg i fucking beat it with a freind last night. il post rep later.
the thing was, the zerg ai on the top right somehow bugged out and didnt do anything after making its first basic unit attack (masslings) but all the other ais were playing normally i think..
When the map maxes the computers seem to freak out and they don't attack, you have to kill one of them to free up some space then they start attacking again.
On May 24 2011 14:52 GG_NO_RE wrote: i haven't seen the map yet, but is it possible to beat it alone? i did twilight struggle alone a few times (i think i won with 2/3 of the races.. i forgot whether it was zerg or toss i couldn't do it with)
It might be possible but you're gonna have one hell of a time doing it.
On May 24 2011 05:56 SnowFantasy wrote: I beat this with a friend of mine a few days ago but I want to play it again. Seems like no one else does though. T_T;;
why would you want to do that map again =___= took us like 90min+ for the win at ~4am so pain
Gotta get a faster time. It's all about speed running this stuff man.
edit: and the motw sucks so playing real games sucks.
T_T we almost had it yesterday
I think we have to attack the comps earlier; if too many of them get into late game it just gets too nasty. And towards the end I was too tired to rebuild everything lol.
On May 24 2011 05:56 SnowFantasy wrote: I beat this with a friend of mine a few days ago but I want to play it again. Seems like no one else does though. T_T;;
why would you want to do that map again =___= took us like 90min+ for the win at ~4am so pain
Gotta get a faster time. It's all about speed running this stuff man.
edit: and the motw sucks so playing real games sucks.
T_T we almost had it yesterday
I think we have to attack the comps earlier; if too many of them get into late game it just gets too nasty. And towards the end I was too tired to rebuild everything lol.
Nah its fine not attacking like we did, we just played poorly.
Beat it! Played with my brother, got it on the 4th try (but tbh the 3rd try shouldn't count cause a single Schezar came to our base 1st minute and killed all our shit >_>). Took us 1h22m, though we reached the tipping point way before ofc :/