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Jungle Struggle: similar to Twilight Struggle

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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-15 10:59:40
August 15 2006 10:59 GMT
#1
Similar in the sense that it's a vs-comps map for 2 players:

http://www.freewebs.com/bill307/(2)JungleStruggle.scx

You and a partner (necessary) face 6 insane comps, 2 of each race. I believe this map is much more difficult than Twilight Struggle. You will be surprised by how painful and annoying the computers' attacks can be later in the game >.

I have yet to beat it with anyone . Goodluck!

(edit: this is based on the 1.14 Blizzard map "River Runs Through It", by the way)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
August 16 2006 02:11 GMT
#2
Thanks Bill, I'll go see how challenging it is later on.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
August 16 2006 03:52 GMT
#3
I'll try it later with my brother, thanks Bill
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
neSix
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1772 Posts
August 16 2006 05:21 GMT
#4
Oh, you're next to eachother. Map looks difficult... Anyone wanna try ??
lawl mart
Profile Joined April 2006
United States1289 Posts
August 16 2006 05:24 GMT
#5
ill try it with you

limewire.exe@uswest msg if you wanna
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A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-27 12:11:15
September 27 2006 12:09 GMT
#6
My roommate and I have made it 36 mins into the game, with seemingly a chance at winning but we realized that we need to take out both Terran players early to win, so we have to start over. We were replaying the game from saves in case anything went wrong and got some expos secured, but nuke + lockdown + bcs is too much, along with being defiled and attacked with ultras.

Our strategy is to go double P and cannon rush two bases to knock them out and then gain their bases as expos. Flower Toss FTW. I wonder if anyone else has had decent success with a different strategy.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
ToT)Testie(
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada723 Posts
September 27 2006 12:19 GMT
#7
Did you beat it yet Bill?
(Or did you before?? I forget)
crazie-penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States1253 Posts
September 27 2006 12:27 GMT
#8
Just curious, did you make this map yourself, Bill?
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
September 27 2006 13:07 GMT
#9
i'll try it later, i like the flower toss idea to kill the terrans.. but i would leave an scv/depot alive to mind control. tanks are always nice vs crazy comps
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-27 13:27:37
September 27 2006 13:09 GMT
#10
Me and Bill beat it in around an hour.


Basically Bill defended while i killed the bottom left zerg/toss, then we both killed the left terran while i also killed the right toss and zerg, then we finished by both killing the right terran.

:p
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DarK]N[exuS
Profile Joined April 2006
China1441 Posts
September 27 2006 14:26 GMT
#11
Me and Balloon did decently, lasted about 50 minutes and had taken out about 3/4 of them, but then we just couldn't continue because of "cannot create more units" and lost miserably because we couldn't make ANYTHING.
Where joy exists despair will always beckon.
DeathBlow
Profile Joined August 2006
Romania117 Posts
September 27 2006 16:22 GMT
#12
Some tricks:
Mind Control on his best units .
Units clocked by arbiters are not comsat scanned by computer AI.
If you kill a computer's SCV when he build something the AI temporary stop until unfinished building is destroyed .
Also it won't comsat scan if you attack his buildings with DT's .
And can't resist to a full scale attack(200/200) .
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
May 15 2011 01:19 GMT
#13
Bumping this because this looks hella fun and the link is dead

Does anyone have a copy of this map?
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
May 15 2011 01:35 GMT
#14
I saw this thread for the first time and got excited and wanted to play... but... the link

I'd love a reupload too!
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
May 15 2011 01:44 GMT
#15
Quite the bump lol
didya search "Twilight" in the search bar or something?
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
May 15 2011 03:20 GMT
#16
On May 15 2011 10:44 Taekwon wrote:
Quite the bump lol
didya search "Twilight" in the search bar or something?


Nah, I knew about Twilight Struggle for a long time; just recently started playing again with my friend and we're looking for alternate versions because we really like the concept.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
May 15 2011 03:26 GMT
#17
omgomg i wanna play jungle struggle now
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
May 15 2011 05:20 GMT
#18
People still play SCBW?

Good shit.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/y48g80
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
May 15 2011 05:24 GMT
#19
On May 15 2011 14:20 Bill307 wrote:
People still play SCBW?

Good shit.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/y48g80


Thank you sir!
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
May 15 2011 05:26 GMT
#20
Everyone should thank Jimmy/JohnnyChrist/ColdLava for linking me to this topic. <_<
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
May 15 2011 06:42 GMT
#21
I was looking for you on msn but you were offline all day
tyty!
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
May 18 2011 17:40 GMT
#22
AWESOME :D:D:D thanks bill
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 18 2011 18:52 GMT
#23
Grabbed the map, I'll have to try it this weekend
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6637 Posts
May 20 2011 11:18 GMT
#24
It really is quite a struggle, a friend and I tried it a couple times yesterday, lasted about 45 minutes in each case but we just got molested in the end lol, we need to work out a good strategy for it.

Thanks Bill!
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
May 21 2011 12:16 GMT
#25
Wow this map is insane!

Anyone have some tips? The post a few years ago mentioned cannon rushing, but how are you supposed to cannon rush when they start with so many units? Unless two people have to cannon rush a base together? In which case how do you defend your own base?

I think once you get to late game its just impossible to win; their attacks are really nasty and the map is too wide open
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 12:23:23
May 21 2011 12:18 GMT
#26
I'm going to attempt this map next weekend witha mate, sounds really fun and challenging.

And thanks Bill (and Jimmy/JohnnyChrist/ColdLava for linking him back here) for the map :D
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66202 Posts
May 21 2011 13:56 GMT
#27
can anyone reupload to mediafire?
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11875 Posts
May 21 2011 14:07 GMT
#28
On May 21 2011 22:56 konadora wrote:
can anyone reupload to mediafire?


http://www.mediafire.com/?3f8dibsck0tyous
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
May 22 2011 09:34 GMT
#29
Today my friend and I managed to actually kill a base! Some things we have realized:

1. Avoid 12 nex/14cc because its hard to hold off the first push otherwise
2. Cannon/turret up your expos really helps.
3. Attack individual bases first
4. Attack early before they get to late game tech

After we killed a base, the remaining comps went into late game mode and we got rolled. At this point I'm seriously considering a scout switch in late game because of the sheer amount of carriers and BCs they build. Either that or dark archons.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
May 22 2011 09:58 GMT
#30
Looks interesting! Will give this a try maybe next weekend with a friend, thanks for the random bump
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
May 22 2011 10:41 GMT
#31
3 tries on this map with pyrogenetix lol, pretty intnse. first game was just trial to see how it was like. then 2nd time we tried to do mass mutas and scouts LOL but somehow it ddin't really work. fuck the fenixes and alan schezars man seriously they are tough as fuck holy shit.

then next time did hydraling + zeal archon temps whatever. but got so fucked by reavers on the ramps like what the fuck is that fucking shit 1 ramp into each base can't even get SHIT through and then while we're attacking 20,000 other units attack us at our base and we have jack nothign to defend then it just gets worse and worse and all our bases are running out of resources K@$!@$!@4

but i'm determined to try beat this lol
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
May 23 2011 05:02 GMT
#32
On May 22 2011 19:41 alffla wrote:
3 tries on this map with pyrogenetix lol, pretty intnse. first game was just trial to see how it was like. then 2nd time we tried to do mass mutas and scouts LOL but somehow it ddin't really work. fuck the fenixes and alan schezars man seriously they are tough as fuck holy shit.

then next time did hydraling + zeal archon temps whatever. but got so fucked by reavers on the ramps like what the fuck is that fucking shit 1 ramp into each base can't even get SHIT through and then while we're attacking 20,000 other units attack us at our base and we have jack nothign to defend then it just gets worse and worse and all our bases are running out of resources K@$!@$!@4

but i'm determined to try beat this lol


OMG i just realized the units the comps start with are HEROES not regular units

no wonder why attacking the bases is so hard LOL
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6637 Posts
May 23 2011 11:13 GMT
#33
On May 23 2011 14:02 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 19:41 alffla wrote:
3 tries on this map with pyrogenetix lol, pretty intnse. first game was just trial to see how it was like. then 2nd time we tried to do mass mutas and scouts LOL but somehow it ddin't really work. fuck the fenixes and alan schezars man seriously they are tough as fuck holy shit.

then next time did hydraling + zeal archon temps whatever. but got so fucked by reavers on the ramps like what the fuck is that fucking shit 1 ramp into each base can't even get SHIT through and then while we're attacking 20,000 other units attack us at our base and we have jack nothign to defend then it just gets worse and worse and all our bases are running out of resources K@$!@$!@4

but i'm determined to try beat this lol


OMG i just realized the units the comps start with are HEROES not regular units

no wonder why attacking the bases is so hard LOL

You mean those are god damn FENIX'S and JIM RAYNORS that attack you at the start, not regular zealots and marines? Holy shit lol.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66202 Posts
May 23 2011 11:27 GMT
#34
On May 21 2011 23:07 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 22:56 konadora wrote:
can anyone reupload to mediafire?


http://www.mediafire.com/?3f8dibsck0tyous

ty <3
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SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 13:50:50
May 23 2011 12:22 GMT
#35
Anyone want to play this right now? Message Arcania@ICCup. I'll be in op teamliquid

edit: Playing now! Msg me :D
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
May 23 2011 12:49 GMT
#36
On May 23 2011 20:13 jello_biafra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 14:02 writer22816 wrote:
On May 22 2011 19:41 alffla wrote:
3 tries on this map with pyrogenetix lol, pretty intnse. first game was just trial to see how it was like. then 2nd time we tried to do mass mutas and scouts LOL but somehow it ddin't really work. fuck the fenixes and alan schezars man seriously they are tough as fuck holy shit.

then next time did hydraling + zeal archon temps whatever. but got so fucked by reavers on the ramps like what the fuck is that fucking shit 1 ramp into each base can't even get SHIT through and then while we're attacking 20,000 other units attack us at our base and we have jack nothign to defend then it just gets worse and worse and all our bases are running out of resources K@$!@$!@4

but i'm determined to try beat this lol


OMG i just realized the units the comps start with are HEROES not regular units

no wonder why attacking the bases is so hard LOL

You mean those are god damn FENIX'S and JIM RAYNORS that attack you at the start, not regular zealots and marines? Holy shit lol.


No they attack with regular zealots and marines

but the units guarding the bases are alan schezars, hunter killers and dragoon fenixes
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
MiraKul
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Malaysia498 Posts
May 23 2011 14:53 GMT
#37
how do u guys finish one 1 enemy base. we couldnt expand at all -.- non stop push. We should share out reps. My friend and I played T and def until 30ish min. And BCs,Carriers rolled all over us rofl. Nuclears too!
ovrpwrd
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6637 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 20:47:21
May 23 2011 20:46 GMT
#38
Just played it again, we lasted for one hour and managed to take out the T and P at top left but then our other bases ran out of money or got nuked/overran, the comps starting bases have over 5000 minerals in each mineral field though! So getting a hold of those is vital. Gonna attempt it again now.

We're both gonna go Protoss this time and try mass cannon/carrier.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
May 23 2011 20:56 GMT
#39
I beat this with a friend of mine a few days ago but I want to play it again. Seems like no one else does though. T_T;;
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 23 2011 22:25 GMT
#40
On May 15 2011 14:20 Bill307 wrote:
People still play SCBW?


ASDF

BW will never die.
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Flameling
Profile Joined July 2010
United States413 Posts
May 24 2011 00:49 GMT
#41
Finally, another map that's like twilight struggle! I played it with a noob friend of mine, and had so much fun with it. So glad that there's another map of it's kind!! :D TY
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
May 24 2011 01:06 GMT
#42
omg i fucking beat it with a freind last night.
il post rep later.

the thing was, the zerg ai on the top right somehow bugged out and didnt do anything after making its first basic unit attack (masslings) but all the other ais were playing normally i think..
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
PUPATREE
Profile Joined August 2009
340 Posts
May 24 2011 04:02 GMT
#43
On May 24 2011 05:56 SnowFantasy wrote:
I beat this with a friend of mine a few days ago but I want to play it again. Seems like no one else does though. T_T;;


why would you want to do that map again =___=
took us like 90min+ for the win at ~4am
so pain
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GG_NO_RE
Profile Joined October 2009
Japan238 Posts
May 24 2011 05:52 GMT
#44
i haven't seen the map yet, but is it possible to beat it alone? i did twilight struggle alone a few times (i think i won with 2/3 of the races.. i forgot whether it was zerg or toss i couldn't do it with)
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 11:34:26
May 24 2011 11:34 GMT
#45
On May 24 2011 13:02 PUPATREE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 05:56 SnowFantasy wrote:
I beat this with a friend of mine a few days ago but I want to play it again. Seems like no one else does though. T_T;;


why would you want to do that map again =___=
took us like 90min+ for the win at ~4am
so pain


Gotta get a faster time. It's all about speed running this stuff man.

edit: and the motw sucks so playing real games sucks.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6637 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 12:30:44
May 24 2011 12:19 GMT
#46
On May 24 2011 10:06 alffla wrote:
omg i fucking beat it with a freind last night.
il post rep later.

the thing was, the zerg ai on the top right somehow bugged out and didnt do anything after making its first basic unit attack (masslings) but all the other ais were playing normally i think..

When the map maxes the computers seem to freak out and they don't attack, you have to kill one of them to free up some space then they start attacking again.

Two of my friends played it last night and achieved victory so here's the replay since he played it on my comp ^^
http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=42074


On May 24 2011 14:52 GG_NO_RE wrote:
i haven't seen the map yet, but is it possible to beat it alone? i did twilight struggle alone a few times (i think i won with 2/3 of the races.. i forgot whether it was zerg or toss i couldn't do it with)

It might be possible but you're gonna have one hell of a time doing it.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
May 24 2011 13:45 GMT
#47
On May 24 2011 20:34 SnowFantasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 13:02 PUPATREE wrote:
On May 24 2011 05:56 SnowFantasy wrote:
I beat this with a friend of mine a few days ago but I want to play it again. Seems like no one else does though. T_T;;


why would you want to do that map again =___=
took us like 90min+ for the win at ~4am
so pain


Gotta get a faster time. It's all about speed running this stuff man.

edit: and the motw sucks so playing real games sucks.


T_T we almost had it yesterday

I think we have to attack the comps earlier; if too many of them get into late game it just gets too nasty. And towards the end I was too tired to rebuild everything lol.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
May 24 2011 14:55 GMT
#48
On May 24 2011 22:45 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 20:34 SnowFantasy wrote:
On May 24 2011 13:02 PUPATREE wrote:
On May 24 2011 05:56 SnowFantasy wrote:
I beat this with a friend of mine a few days ago but I want to play it again. Seems like no one else does though. T_T;;


why would you want to do that map again =___=
took us like 90min+ for the win at ~4am
so pain


Gotta get a faster time. It's all about speed running this stuff man.

edit: and the motw sucks so playing real games sucks.


T_T we almost had it yesterday

I think we have to attack the comps earlier; if too many of them get into late game it just gets too nasty. And towards the end I was too tired to rebuild everything lol.


Nah its fine not attacking like we did, we just played poorly.
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
May 26 2011 21:21 GMT
#49
Beat it! Played with my brother, got it on the 4th try (but tbh the 3rd try shouldn't count cause a single Schezar came to our base 1st minute and killed all our shit >_>). Took us 1h22m, though we reached the tipping point way before ofc :/
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renzy
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada781 Posts
May 26 2011 21:36 GMT
#50
Anyone want to try it again today sometimes? In 3 or so hours (9:35 tl time). pm sushiknight or protossknight on iccup.
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