BW General Discussion - Page 494

On September 18 2025 18:05 Peeano wrote:
The season he was supposed to win Shine took him out. Snow is amazing but predictable. He is more solid than Mini, but he can't impromptu like Mini can. Because of that he is weak in a best of. He's very reliant on getting a comp. of units (preferably goon/reaver) and force trades in his favor, over and over. That's when he's comfortable and can do his macro well too. But as soon as he gets opposed with a bigger force, or surprised and can't dictact the pace of the game, he falters. Champions like Flash, JD, Jangbi didn't have this problem. They can win when they're already behind. Snow typically snowballs, in either direction. That said he has a good chance vs his next opponent and possibly win this ASL, unless... + Show Spoiler [ASL spoiler] +

On September 18 2025 21:45 TMNT wrote:
Ironically he wasn't this good when he reached the finals twice in earlier seasons (beating Flash himself in one of those).

Now when his PvT has gone up to unprecedented level and he's gotten his PvZ together, it's a combination of bad luck and someone even better that has prevented him from winning. If it wasn't for Soulkey, Snow would likely win 2 of the last 3 seasons (the opponents in finals would have been Best, Sharp and Hero).

Winners like Royal and JYJ lucked out with bracket (no P). Even Light in his winning season got a relatively favorable run too (Action, Bisu, Rain).

On September 18 2025 18:05 Peeano wrote:
The season he was supposed to win Shine took him out. Snow is amazing but predictable. He is more solid than Mini, but he can't impromptu like Mini can. Because of that he is weak in a best of. He's very reliant on getting a comp. of units (preferably goon/reaver) and force trades in his favor, over and over. That's when he's comfortable and can do his macro well too. But as soon as he gets opposed with a bigger force, or surprised and can't dictate the pace of the game, he falters. Champions like Flash, JD, Jangbi didn't have this problem. They can win when they're already behind. Snow typically snowballs, in either direction. That said he has a good chance vs his next opponent and possibly win this ASL, unless... + Show Spoiler [ASL spoiler] +

On September 18 2025 23:43 Magic Powers wrote:


I've seen Snow turn many unfavorable PvTs around, including against beasts like Flash. I think the only matchup where he has serious trouble making comebacks is in PvZ. But that's completely understandable. Part of the reason why the general PvZ winrate is negative is because protoss in the middle game has relatively few high impact tools to make a comeback with. PvT has the reaver, TvZ has marines, TvP has spider mines, ZvT has lurkers, ZvP has mutas and lurkers. PvZ? Perhaps dark templars? But that generally requires corsairs, which are often small in numbers when protoss is fighting from behind.

I think Snow has exactly the right idea. Protoss wins PvZ by creating a tactical advantage in the middle game that breaks zerg or leads to a strategically winning advantage. Comebacks rarely work. I think protoss players should focus more on crushing PvT if they want to win more tournaments.

On September 19 2025 17:32 NeedlerNoobRTS wrote:
I don't really get why sc2 can get community patches and brood war can't. I'm literally so tired of seeing the same maps and stratrgies every single asl. We need to make terran bio more viable in tvt and tvp. Protoss should be able to go robo units in most match ups too. I really hope we can get one next season. It's a GOOD thing to have balance patches

On September 19 2025 23:29 Shinokuki wrote:


This is so wrong. Soma is snow's biggest mismatch. Go take a look at their head to head matchup stats. Soma used to call snow his slave lmao

On September 19 2025 23:31 Shinokuki wrote:


I like how you mention ZvT having lurkers as if it's something thats magical that allows z to comeback. ZvT has even more negative win rate than pvz. Idk how this pvz being imba took place? maybe because there are lot of foreigner toss? <= This is also really odd because BSL is dominated by protoss as well.

On September 20 2025 02:24 TMNT wrote:

The tool, if we're talking about units, that allows Zerg to comeback is Defiler. But that's for another conversation.

I thought the T>Z>P>T has generally been accepted for ages, why are you acting like ZvP imba is something newly invented by foreigners?

On September 20 2025 03:39 Shinokuki wrote:


In foreign scene, due to soulkey dominating, people think zvt is somehow fine while talking about how zvp is broken. ZvP isn't even broken. It's become more balanced throughout the years.

On September 18 2025 11:09 goody153 wrote:
I just learned that Snow has not won a single ASL championship like wtf. How is a player so ungodly good and probably the best player at one matchup like almost no doubt have not won a championship before

Like tbh i've never seen another player being feared every single season without getting a championship at all. Even freaking royale won a championship lmao

On September 18 2025 23:43 Magic Powers wrote:


I've seen Snow turn many unfavorable PvTs around, including against beasts like Flash. I think the only matchup where he has serious trouble making comebacks is in PvZ. But that's completely understandable. Part of the reason why the general PvZ winrate is negative is because protoss in the middle game has relatively few high impact tools to make a comeback with. PvT has the reaver, TvZ has marines, TvP has spider mines, ZvT has lurkers, ZvP has mutas and lurkers. PvZ? Perhaps dark templars? But that generally requires corsairs, which are often small in numbers when protoss is fighting from behind.

I think Snow has exactly the right idea. Protoss wins PvZ by creating a tactical advantage in the middle game that breaks zerg or leads to a strategically winning advantage. Comebacks rarely work. I think protoss players should focus more on crushing PvT if they want to win more tournaments.