• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:48
CEST 07:48
KST 14:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League32Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.164Rollback Netcode in Brood War1295.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0
StarCraft 2
General
No more sc2 streamers on team liquid? Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 Server Blocker SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact Terran AddOns placement
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Rollback Netcode in Brood War Hands of Pluto
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10836 users

BW General Discussion - Page 446

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 444 445 446 447 448 525 Next
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
August 02 2023 02:12 GMT
#8901
On August 02 2023 05:42 Ideas wrote:
When effort is playing at full capacity he's one of the greatest of all time. He can pull off insane micro and multitasking (he's a legend for that burrow play vs Last). Looking forward to this ASL run

Agree!! Amazing play . Remember that control with a zergling vs a spider mine? One of the best moments ever !
Let me look for it right now !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
August 02 2023 02:17 GMT
#8902
Yayyy !! Found it ! ) 01:25:26 ! Brilliant


Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
August 02 2023 07:44 GMT
#8903
On August 02 2023 04:49 TMNT wrote:
Look at this ridiculous Lurker movement from Effort:
https://media.fmkorea.com/files/attach/new3/20230802/6042994/4682831821/6027729770/accce493079c7fc6c00e06d15170397f.mp4

How did he spread them like that , answer:
https://media.fmkorea.com/files/attach/new3/20230802/6042994/3157527409/6027744055/40be3aeea164055695bc49503b81fbe2.mp4


EffOrt is alien confirmed.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4199 Posts
August 02 2023 12:26 GMT
#8904
On July 30 2023 17:16 Magic Powers wrote:
There are valid reasons why terran players don't get the energy upgrade.
Most importantly, the upgrade costs 150/150. This is the equivalent of 1.66 marines and 0.66 science vessels (or in a bit rounder numbers: about 2 marines plus more than half of 1 science vessel). Or it's 0.86 of the second infantry weapons/armor upgrade.
Secondly, players often leave the science facility floating next to the natural base to spot mutalisks and later drops. Sending it into the base and returning it next to the natural is an option, but that's additional time and effort, and it temporarily increases vulnerability against drops, muta harassment, or stray scourges.
Thirdly, the upgrade takes time to complete. 1 minute and ~45 seconds to be exact. So for almost two minutes these resources of 150/150 will be locked out of the game and therefore of no practical use until the upgrade is complete. That's a lot of time for a terran player who relies on pressure play with marines, vessels and dropships to win the game decisively.

The question is therefore not whether or not the energy upgrade is viable, but what is the relative cost and benefit.
Science vessels in TvZ rarely reach full energy capacity, so the upgrade would only affect the readiness of fresh vessels. These fresh vessels will usually be sent out with exactly the right amount of energy for their first irradiate, because they're typically being used offensively. So for irradiate it doesn't really make sense. For additional defensive matrix's it could make sense.
So is the cost of the energy upgrade justified? Does it lead to a greater winrate? I have a very hard time believing that. Each single unit is essential while terran is trying to bust the zerg defenses with as many m&ms, vessels and dropships as possible. I don't think the cost-benefit analysis works out.

Edit: This is regarding TvZ. In TvP the energy upgrade could make a lot of sense.


TvZ in late game if Terran has 3-4 gas it definitely makes sense to get the energy upgrade.150/150 isn't that much and you are going to be floating tons of resources anyway if it's SK Terran unless you're Flash or Light. But if it's a low resource game then of course it doesn't apply.

Using the science facility to spot for drops isn't really that common, I've seen it being floated randomly towards the zerg base than using it to spot for drops. Anyway if you are talking about SK Terran it's critical for T to have map control to spot for drops rather than a building, if T doesn't have map control it's going to be a losing game anyway.

I've seen pro Terrans getting it once in awhile but usually the game is so fast paced at the pro level that they just don't have the extra attention span to get the upgrade. Anyway at the end of the day it's more of a nice to have rather than a must have.
Souden
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
August 02 2023 18:24 GMT
#8905
A blast from the past between two old rivals, we have the terrorist (Fantasy) vs the tyrant (Jaedong) ladder series! Video uploader said the match took place around July 10th so it's pretty recent. And it has been like more than a decade since these two play an official match against each other? But now we get a preview of their match before the Gamers8 event!


prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-04 21:48:42
August 04 2023 19:31 GMT
#8906
Look at this amazing pic


[image loading]


6666 posts
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
194 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-04 21:11:22
August 04 2023 21:10 GMT
#8907
Is this when we get worried for all terrans in ASL?
+ Show Spoiler +
Royal vs Mini & Snow
[image loading]
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10096 Posts
August 04 2023 21:56 GMT
#8908
well he has to do that offline now, it's not like Snow just got good at PvT recently , his PvZ has improved a lot tho
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
August 04 2023 22:13 GMT
#8909
On August 05 2023 04:31 prosatan wrote:
Look at this amazing pic


[image loading]


6666 posts


Cheers on 6666 post!
Amazing pic!
sunbeams are never made like me...
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
August 04 2023 23:22 GMT
#8910
On August 02 2023 11:17 prosatan wrote:
Yayyy !! Found it ! ) 01:25:26 ! Brilliant


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sb47YGI7l8

Man that was crazy, these top BW cats are probably the best gamers out there ever, or at least for a competitive game!

Speedrunners pull off mental stuff too but not usually on a dynamic battleground
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TL+ Member
RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
194 Posts
August 05 2023 02:26 GMT
#8911
On August 05 2023 06:56 TT1 wrote:
well he has to do that offline now, it's not like Snow just got good at PvT recently , his PvZ has improved a lot tho

But now its both snow and mini with lethal levels of pvt.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey850 Posts
August 05 2023 03:39 GMT
#8912
On August 05 2023 11:26 RJBTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2023 06:56 TT1 wrote:
well he has to do that offline now, it's not like Snow just got good at PvT recently , his PvZ has improved a lot tho

But now its both snow and mini with lethal levels of pvt.

Royal's tvp is so weak. The real test should be Light.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8181 Posts
August 05 2023 04:41 GMT
#8913
On August 05 2023 12:39 HOLYBATS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2023 11:26 RJBTV wrote:
On August 05 2023 06:56 TT1 wrote:
well he has to do that offline now, it's not like Snow just got good at PvT recently , his PvZ has improved a lot tho

But now its both snow and mini with lethal levels of pvt.

Royal's tvp is so weak. The real test should be Light.


Lol statistically light is a little better at TvP than royal and rush who are about even https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28083749 . But royal is basically tied for 2nd best TvP in world until flash comes back for real... so I guess all terrans are weak besides light?
Free Palestine
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
August 05 2023 06:09 GMT
#8914
On August 05 2023 07:13 outscar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2023 04:31 prosatan wrote:
Look at this amazing pic


[image loading]


6666 posts


Cheers on 6666 post!
Amazing pic!

outscar
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3385 Posts
August 05 2023 06:15 GMT
#8915
I think Mini is not that good at PvT. In that same table you can see he's at 50% vs both Royal and Rush, and 45% vs Light. It's just that he beat Royal 7-2 in the recent 9 game series which is more like a one off.

Snow is actually the outlier in PvT, I think in all history, thanks to his Reaver.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3385 Posts
August 05 2023 06:29 GMT
#8916
By the way, Last is back from military service. Takes him no time to start streaming again. Now trolling on ladder. I wonder if we can see some Snow vs Last ladder battle soon.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
August 05 2023 06:53 GMT
#8917
On August 05 2023 15:29 TMNT wrote:
By the way, Last is back from military service. Takes him no time to start streaming again. Now trolling on ladder. I wonder if we can see some Snow vs Last ladder battle soon.

Snow has the upper hand vs Last imo..
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
August 05 2023 06:56 GMT
#8918
On August 05 2023 15:15 TMNT wrote:
I think Mini is not that good at PvT. In that same table you can see he's at 50% vs both Royal and Rush, and 45% vs Light. It's just that he beat Royal 7-2 in the recent 9 game series which is more like a one off.

Snow is actually the outlier in PvT, I think in all history, thanks to his Reaver.

TMNT, but didn't Snow + Show Spoiler +
beat Royal 7-2 in a very recent seriers ?


+ Show Spoiler +
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
August 05 2023 07:58 GMT
#8919
On August 05 2023 15:29 TMNT wrote:
By the way, Last is back from military service. Takes him no time to start streaming again. Now trolling on ladder. I wonder if we can see some Snow vs Last ladder battle soon.

He mentioned on stream that he has no plans on ASL at the time because of an arm injury, but will consider it once he feels better.
twitch.tv/dizzywee
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3385 Posts
August 05 2023 08:12 GMT
#8920
On August 05 2023 15:56 prosatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2023 15:15 TMNT wrote:
I think Mini is not that good at PvT. In that same table you can see he's at 50% vs both Royal and Rush, and 45% vs Light. It's just that he beat Royal 7-2 in the recent 9 game series which is more like a one off.

Snow is actually the outlier in PvT, I think in all history, thanks to his Reaver.

TMNT, but didn't Snow + Show Spoiler +
beat Royal 7-2 in a very recent seriers ?


+ Show Spoiler +
https://youtu.be/xTPhlU1jzXI

StarcastTV is also running their Ultimate Battle series.
Prev 1 444 445 446 447 448 525 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 12m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 180
Nina 119
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2479
GuemChi 1618
ProTech143
Aegong 62
Noble 46
sorry 32
Bale 31
Icarus 8
League of Legends
JimRising 719
Other Games
summit1g8058
WinterStarcraft475
PiGStarcraft275
Livibee200
Sick178
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick650
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH337
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2158
League of Legends
• Rush1164
• Scarra1083
• Lourlo744
• Stunt337
Other Games
• Shiphtur1032
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
5h 12m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 5h
PiGosaur Cup
1d 18h
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
FEL
5 days
FEL
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.