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Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2925 Posts
July 20 2023 14:58 GMT
#8861
On July 20 2023 06:15 whylessness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2023 05:12 Smorrie wrote:
Thanks for the pointers. Since you've watched a lot of those games, could you refer me to some really memorable games within that period? Preferably one the last 6 ASL's or so?

Saves me from having to watch 10 years of games to find 2-3 real bangers (& I also don't agree pre 2017 level is equal to today's level, even though that might be unfounded personal bias). I can find the games myself if you can remember any specific ones, but if you have any links they are welcome of course!


https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/556802-what-are-some-of-the-best-games-from-asl-ksl


Should've searched for this myself first lol. Some great games mentioned in there.
Hero vs JyJ was a banger too for more recent times.

Just what I was looking for, thanks!
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
555 Posts
July 20 2023 18:57 GMT
#8862
On July 20 2023 10:20 outscar wrote:
That unknown terran definitely was FlaSh, his APM and gamestyle doesn't fit FanTas at all. If he doesn't qualify/attend ASL16 then I don't even know what to say. Even if it's rude: come on dude, get your head out of your ass! No one rly cares about that crypto scandal anymore.


super easy to not care when you only care about seeing him play the video game
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
July 20 2023 19:08 GMT
#8863
On July 21 2023 03:57 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2023 10:20 outscar wrote:
That unknown terran definitely was FlaSh, his APM and gamestyle doesn't fit FanTas at all. If he doesn't qualify/attend ASL16 then I don't even know what to say. Even if it's rude: come on dude, get your head out of your ass! No one rly cares about that crypto scandal anymore.


super easy to not care when you only care about seeing him play the video game


There are no angels on this planet, and Flash has not broken any laws. Otherwise I can assure you there would've been serious talks of a lawsuit.
It's time to drop the matter. Flash has every right to return, and his haters need to accept that.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43222 Posts
July 20 2023 19:17 GMT
#8864
On July 21 2023 04:08 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2023 03:57 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
On July 20 2023 10:20 outscar wrote:
That unknown terran definitely was FlaSh, his APM and gamestyle doesn't fit FanTas at all. If he doesn't qualify/attend ASL16 then I don't even know what to say. Even if it's rude: come on dude, get your head out of your ass! No one rly cares about that crypto scandal anymore.


super easy to not care when you only care about seeing him play the video game


There are no angels on this planet, and Flash has not broken any laws. Otherwise I can assure you there would've been serious talks of a lawsuit.
It's time to drop the matter. Flash has every right to return, and his haters need to accept that.

There are absolutely laws over promoting penny securities to uninformed investors so that you can dump your own holdings on them at a profit. Maybe not in his jurisdiction and maybe the regulatory framework is still catching up on crypto but the idea that pump and dump schemes are legally clear is just wrong.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
July 20 2023 20:08 GMT
#8865
On July 21 2023 04:17 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2023 04:08 Magic Powers wrote:
On July 21 2023 03:57 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
On July 20 2023 10:20 outscar wrote:
That unknown terran definitely was FlaSh, his APM and gamestyle doesn't fit FanTas at all. If he doesn't qualify/attend ASL16 then I don't even know what to say. Even if it's rude: come on dude, get your head out of your ass! No one rly cares about that crypto scandal anymore.


super easy to not care when you only care about seeing him play the video game


There are no angels on this planet, and Flash has not broken any laws. Otherwise I can assure you there would've been serious talks of a lawsuit.
It's time to drop the matter. Flash has every right to return, and his haters need to accept that.

There are absolutely laws over promoting penny securities to uninformed investors so that you can dump your own holdings on them at a profit. Maybe not in his jurisdiction and maybe the regulatory framework is still catching up on crypto but the idea that pump and dump schemes are legally clear is just wrong.


Then someone should sue Flash. They're not doing it because they don't have a valid case against him. Judge would just throw it out.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43222 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-20 20:46:06
July 20 2023 20:45 GMT
#8866
On July 21 2023 05:08 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2023 04:17 KwarK wrote:
On July 21 2023 04:08 Magic Powers wrote:
On July 21 2023 03:57 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
On July 20 2023 10:20 outscar wrote:
That unknown terran definitely was FlaSh, his APM and gamestyle doesn't fit FanTas at all. If he doesn't qualify/attend ASL16 then I don't even know what to say. Even if it's rude: come on dude, get your head out of your ass! No one rly cares about that crypto scandal anymore.


super easy to not care when you only care about seeing him play the video game


There are no angels on this planet, and Flash has not broken any laws. Otherwise I can assure you there would've been serious talks of a lawsuit.
It's time to drop the matter. Flash has every right to return, and his haters need to accept that.

There are absolutely laws over promoting penny securities to uninformed investors so that you can dump your own holdings on them at a profit. Maybe not in his jurisdiction and maybe the regulatory framework is still catching up on crypto but the idea that pump and dump schemes are legally clear is just wrong.


Then someone should sue Flash. They're not doing it because they don't have a valid case against him. Judge would just throw it out.

How do they know that nobody is suing him? Do you think he would have told you?

I’m not an expert on the legal framework surrounding crypto pump and dump schemes in Korea and neither are you. I’m not involved in Flash’s legal defence and neither are you.

I simply object to the idea that
1. You’re qualified to assert whether he broke any laws
2. You’re informed about what cases are currently outstanding
3. Strict legality even matters here

If the US passes a law to make crypto pump and dumps as illegal as regular security ones but Korea doesn’t then that would make him a criminal in the eyes of the US legal framework and not a criminal in the eyes of the Korean one but it would change absolutely nothing about what he did.

If you want him back and don’t care what he did then just say that. Don’t resort to completely unsubstantiated claims about the legality or illegality of what he did based on your gut feeling.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
July 20 2023 21:38 GMT
#8867
We would've definitely heard about it if Flash was being dragged to court. What makes you think otherwise?
I don't want Flash back because I think he's innocent, I want him back because I think it's always innocent until proven guilty. He's innocent. Until proven guilty.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43222 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-21 02:41:56
July 20 2023 21:59 GMT
#8868
His lawyers could exchange emails with lawyers representing the people he defrauded without you knowing about it. That’s entirely possible. Ultimately you and I don’t know anything about his legal situation, certainly not enough for you to proclaim a certainty that it was all entirely legal.

Do you think he didn’t participate in a crypto pump and dump scam?

I’m also confused by this idea that you’re literally incapable of holding an opinion unless that opinion has been issued by a judge. My opinion of you, based on many exchanges with you, is that you are a moron. A court hasn’t ruled that you’re guilty of being a moron but I’m still confident in holding that opinion of you. But presumably you could not express the opinion that I’m an asshole until a judge gives you permission.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19152 Posts
July 21 2023 00:00 GMT
#8869
everybody cool it. This thread is about Brood War, not the Korean legal system
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4226 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-21 02:51:25
July 21 2023 02:51 GMT
#8870
On July 21 2023 09:00 tofucake wrote:
everybody cool it. This thread is about Brood War, not the Korean legal system

these are two things/topics that often intertwine, not in a good way though, unfortunately..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-21 17:44:18
July 21 2023 08:50 GMT
#8871
On July 21 2023 06:59 KwarK wrote:
His lawyers could exchange emails with lawyers representing the people he defrauded without you knowing about it. That’s entirely possible. Ultimately you and I don’t know anything about his legal situation, certainly not enough for you to proclaim a certainty that it was all entirely legal.

Do you think he didn’t participate in a crypto pump and dump scam?

I’m also confused by this idea that you’re literally incapable of holding an opinion unless that opinion has been issued by a judge. My opinion of you, based on many exchanges with you, is that you are a moron. A court hasn’t ruled that you’re guilty of being a moron but I’m still confident in holding that opinion of you. But presumably you could not express the opinion that I’m an asshole until a judge gives you permission.


I have an opinion on Flash: he's either innocent or he isn't. I have not seen sufficient evidence that he's guilty, therefore he's innocent. I'm not going with what the law would do just because I can't think for myself. I think that the law is right in that it's always innocent until proven guilty. Where is his guilt? I don't see it. Feel free to provide the evidence.

User was warned for this post


Edit: My bad, I somehow failed to notice tofucake's post before I responded. Wasn't intentional.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
dreamgamingmy
Profile Joined July 2023
1 Post
Last Edited: 2023-07-24 17:30:04
July 24 2023 17:29 GMT
#8872
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HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey745 Posts
July 25 2023 09:03 GMT
#8873
We saw Bisu unexpectedly on ASL qualifiers. Expecting him to attend at the weekend.
Dgamerskis
Profile Joined July 2023
10 Posts
July 25 2023 20:26 GMT
#8874
This thread is nice!
amsevlahore
Profile Joined July 2023
1 Post
July 26 2023 15:58 GMT
#8875
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
July 28 2023 13:44 GMT
#8876
Why don't more Terrans get the vessel energy upgrade?

Zergs get the energy upgrade for defilers so they can plague and dark swarm
Protosses get the energy upgrade for arbiters (sometimes) so they can recall and stasis
They also get the energy upgrade for high templar so they can storm sooner (and three times later on).

Terrans seem to benefit if they can irradiate sooner. Yet most terrans lift their science facility as soon as the irradiate upgrade is done. Why is that?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8764 Posts
July 28 2023 15:25 GMT
#8877
because terrans continue vessel production and if you keep your vessels alive you have more than enough irradiates. the extra energy would be surplus to requirements
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8143 Posts
July 28 2023 16:14 GMT
#8878
In TvZ terran have map control so they can move around looking for targets the whole time and try to use up vessel energy as much as possible. Zerg need defiler energy because defiler lifetimes are so short they need to consume and shoot out plague + swarm at the exact right time before some vessel comes and irradiates it. Protoss need templar energy because templar are slow and fragile and need to store up energy and then use it all before (usually) dying during a big battle.
Free Palestine
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1441 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-29 15:21:14
July 29 2023 14:58 GMT
#8879
It would be better to get the upgrade of course, because a situation could arise where a fresh vessel pops out and is the only one around and you really need an irradiate from it asap (for a defiler-attack at the natural or something). Or you end up with one full energy vessel somewhere and want to irradiate three ultras, but without the upgrade you only have energy for two.

But irradiate is rather cheap (energy-wise) and most of the time you end up with a cloud of vessels with more irradiates than you can use before they die anyway.

Also, temporarily, the 150/150 resources for the Titan Reactor might not be available to you right away, because exactly in that phase you are only on 2 base and have so many things to spend money/gas on that are more important (vessels, tanks, m&m, bio-upgrades, siege-mode or vulture-upgrades, additional barracks or starport or factories). Resources tend to drop all the way down to 0 again and again around that time (if one macroes correctly).
So the energy upgrade is the last thing on a long list at that point, and might just be forgotten later because then you have enough vessels anyway.

It would be better to get it though, if you can afford the investment at some point (very likely) and plan to keep building vessels (very likely).
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
555 Posts
July 29 2023 23:47 GMT
#8880
it’s a great upgrade. I think terrans just get away with irradiate being such a cheap spell and vessels being difficult to manage.

even vs protoss EMP is strong vs arbiters, but 150/150 can seem like a hard expense, especially on these maps with a mineral only third
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