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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
August 05 2023 09:42 GMT
#8921
On August 05 2023 12:39 HOLYBATS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2023 11:26 RJBTV wrote:
On August 05 2023 06:56 TT1 wrote:
well he has to do that offline now, it's not like Snow just got good at PvT recently , his PvZ has improved a lot tho

But now its both snow and mini with lethal levels of pvt.

Royal's tvp is so weak. The real test should be Light.


Royal is a TvP beast. Snow has everyone's number, you can't judge any terran player by that metric.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
August 05 2023 11:59 GMT
#8922
On August 05 2023 15:29 TMNT wrote:
By the way, Last is back from military service. Takes him no time to start streaming again. Now trolling on ladder. I wonder if we can see some Snow vs Last ladder battle soon.


If Last is back then I'm ok with not having FlaSh, we need AlphaGo back. But I'm not sure if he will tryhard again because of his wrist issues. The last time he played well was 2019 iirc.
sunbeams are never made like me...
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey850 Posts
August 05 2023 14:29 GMT
#8923
On August 05 2023 18:42 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2023 12:39 HOLYBATS wrote:
On August 05 2023 11:26 RJBTV wrote:
On August 05 2023 06:56 TT1 wrote:
well he has to do that offline now, it's not like Snow just got good at PvT recently , his PvZ has improved a lot tho

But now its both snow and mini with lethal levels of pvt.

Royal's tvp is so weak. The real test should be Light.


Royal is a TvP beast. Snow has everyone's number, you can't judge any terran player by that metric.

He did not eliminate Tier 1 Protoss(Mini,Snow,Bisu) on premier offline tournaments. Until he did that his tvp is weak.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
August 05 2023 15:18 GMT
#8924
On August 05 2023 23:29 HOLYBATS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2023 18:42 Magic Powers wrote:
On August 05 2023 12:39 HOLYBATS wrote:
On August 05 2023 11:26 RJBTV wrote:
On August 05 2023 06:56 TT1 wrote:
well he has to do that offline now, it's not like Snow just got good at PvT recently , his PvZ has improved a lot tho

But now its both snow and mini with lethal levels of pvt.

Royal's tvp is so weak. The real test should be Light.


Royal is a TvP beast. Snow has everyone's number, you can't judge any terran player by that metric.

He did not eliminate Tier 1 Protoss(Mini,Snow,Bisu) on premier offline tournaments. Until he did that his tvp is weak.


He has an almost 50% winrate against Best and Mini, and he wins roughly 1/3 of his games against Snow.
The stats do not back up your claim that he's "weak" in TvP. You can use phrases like "not literally the best" or "second to Light", but "weak" is just wrong.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
194 Posts
August 05 2023 18:05 GMT
#8925
On August 06 2023 00:18 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2023 23:29 HOLYBATS wrote:
On August 05 2023 18:42 Magic Powers wrote:
On August 05 2023 12:39 HOLYBATS wrote:
On August 05 2023 11:26 RJBTV wrote:
On August 05 2023 06:56 TT1 wrote:
well he has to do that offline now, it's not like Snow just got good at PvT recently , his PvZ has improved a lot tho

But now its both snow and mini with lethal levels of pvt.

Royal's tvp is so weak. The real test should be Light.


Royal is a TvP beast. Snow has everyone's number, you can't judge any terran player by that metric.

He did not eliminate Tier 1 Protoss(Mini,Snow,Bisu) on premier offline tournaments. Until he did that his tvp is weak.


He has an almost 50% winrate against Best and Mini, and he wins roughly 1/3 of his games against Snow.
The stats do not back up your claim that he's "weak" in TvP. You can use phrases like "not literally the best" or "second to Light", but "weak" is just wrong.

Royal won like 1/4 of his games vs snow in 2023. Light on the other hands is closer to 50/50. Light beat Mini today so he is our last hope.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
August 05 2023 18:35 GMT
#8926
Light is obviously significantly better than Royal. But to call Royal "weak" is fairly absurd. He hasn't gotten any weaker lately, if anything Mini has gotten stronger. Most of the games Royal has lost as of late were to Mini and Snow. These are two of the absolute best protoss players, and it can be argued that Mini has probably copied a few moves from Snow to become so formidable.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-07 16:06:33
August 07 2023 16:05 GMT
#8927
Another great play from Snow (from a series of games vs Hero). I recommend watching the game from before 11m 25s ingame time (6h 50m 55s in the vod) for a proper WTF moment.

+ Show Spoiler +
Hiding a HT behind a building is a known method, but the way Snow does it is incredible.

9m 25s ingame time (6h 48m 55s in the vod) he sends a HT back to the main assimilator.
10m 0s he adjusts the positioning.
11m 30s a flock of mutas arrives and starts harassing the probe line. Snow waits for a few seconds until the mutas are exactly where he wants them to be.
11m 40s he casts a psi storm and quickly follows it up with another one.

I had absolutely no idea where the HT was the first time I watched it. I even thought there might be two.
The exact placement of the two canons also seems to be meant for this specific scenario. Snow is so good at maximizing the utility of every single unit and building.


https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/105597598?change_second=24653
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
August 10 2023 06:27 GMT
#8928
Last is back streaming !!!

https://tl.net/video/streams/rlatjdgus228

Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
August 10 2023 06:28 GMT
#8929
Also, happy birthday Magic Powers !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
August 10 2023 12:51 GMT
#8930
On August 10 2023 15:28 prosatan wrote:
Also, happy birthday Magic Powers !


Thanks mate, cheers back to you
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
August 11 2023 07:22 GMT
#8931
We need LiquiBet !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8181 Posts
August 13 2023 14:14 GMT
#8932
Feel free to warn or delete this post if it's too negative or controversial but after reading this blog post I decided to not resub to Tastosis for this ASL season:

https://themsfightingwordsblog.com/2023/08/10/saudi-arabia-is-here-and-the-fgc-didnt-have-the-courage-either/ (sorry about the terrible purple background and blue hyperlinks )

I think this blog has a good overview of the sketchiness of the Saudi-funded Savvy Gamer Group and tackles all the what-about-isms that people usually throw up when trying to argue in favor of it (IE there's a difference between taking money directly from a reactionary dictatorship who jails people for retweets and has terrible women's rights in the entire country and taking money from free citizens/companies in the US that has little to no say about their military that regularly commits war crimes).

As a foreigner I have no influence on the Korean players but I DO have a very little influence on Tastosis as a patreon subscriber.
Free Palestine
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
August 13 2023 16:31 GMT
#8933
On August 13 2023 23:14 Ideas wrote:
Feel free to warn or delete this post if it's too negative or controversial but after reading this blog post I decided to not resub to Tastosis for this ASL season:

https://themsfightingwordsblog.com/2023/08/10/saudi-arabia-is-here-and-the-fgc-didnt-have-the-courage-either/ (sorry about the terrible purple background and blue hyperlinks )

I think this blog has a good overview of the sketchiness of the Saudi-funded Savvy Gamer Group and tackles all the what-about-isms that people usually throw up when trying to argue in favor of it (IE there's a difference between taking money directly from a reactionary dictatorship who jails people for retweets and has terrible women's rights in the entire country and taking money from free citizens/companies in the US that has little to no say about their military that regularly commits war crimes).

As a foreigner I have no influence on the Korean players but I DO have a very little influence on Tastosis as a patreon subscriber.

I’m digging the purple personally. Are those links not red though?

Perhaps my thoughts on the aesthetic are influenced by my being colourblind.

I largely agree, good read I may repost elsewhere.

Aside from the moral components I think you touched on an element that is oft-neglected in these discussions. Namely that while the overall reconfiguration is ultimately aimed at turning a profit for the Kingdom, the individual steps towards that goal are not necessarily thus.

Which creates a problem for entities in these spaces who are trying to be sustainable, but in the same space as a state project which has no such concerns.

Something you’ve already seen in football (soccer) with these state projects, there’s an inflationary knock-on effect on everyone else operating there.

And the sums to accomplish this in eSports are pretty damn minimal in comparison.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
August 17 2023 13:00 GMT
#8934
Congrats Artosis!

Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1605 Posts
August 18 2023 12:10 GMT
#8935
13 free wins due to Koreans leaving instantly because of lag, including 7 free wins in a row at one point. Congrats on 2400!!
NewbOnTheFloor
Profile Joined November 2013
Poland160 Posts
August 18 2023 16:13 GMT
#8936
On August 18 2023 21:10 EndingLife wrote:
13 free wins due to Koreans leaving instantly because of lag, including 7 free wins in a row at one point. Congrats on 2400!!


Made me laugh.
I would never imagine moving to NA would improve his MMR.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44392 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-18 17:13:14
August 18 2023 16:48 GMT
#8937
Yeah, anyone who has ever played a lot of ladder knows how streaky it can be. The MMR formula treats multiple wins/losses in a row as a sign that you’re misplaced and starts increasing the points gained/lost in order to find your upper/lower bound. So if you keep winning then it’ll rapidly move you up in order to find a player you can’t beat and establish an upper bound. Whereas if you’re winning and losing the points per game go down dramatically because it assumes you’re broadly speaking in the right area and it just needs to fine tune.

When you think about the goal of the matchmaking it makes sense that the more you win the more you win but it dramatically increases variance over a large sample size. Anyone who plays enough is always going to see +-200 swings. I myself was at 2550 at one point due to a combo of cheesing some good players and running into Sexy 3x and him leaving.

Still, apparently 2400 is important to him so good for him. People celebrate all sorts of milestones and they don’t necessarily have to make any sense. You might not necessarily see the achievement in celebrating a child graduating kindergarten but you wouldn’t show up to the party and talk shit.
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10096 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-18 18:38:58
August 18 2023 18:31 GMT
#8938
DAYUM ToSiS kingly user

that said i say we cancel his 2.4k and label him as an eternal 2k user, we'll have too much bbrage if there's no balance
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8181 Posts
August 20 2023 04:16 GMT
#8939
So SayainKCM got slapped with a copyright warning from OGN for doing retrocasts of the Jinair OSL: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ5AqDPIOmLSv1A_zLIYUfg/community?lb=UgkxnV_VIfZPwJuvCMNi7-7Ol63X-9IS7_xv

He's deciding to just take down all of his retrocast vids to be safe. I co-cast a lot of them with him which has been fun but I understand he doesn't want his channel to get delisted. Just so baffling to me since there are SO MANY other channels uploading old BW matches... anyone have any idea why he might have gotten hit with a copyright claim by them?
Free Palestine
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
August 20 2023 08:47 GMT
#8940
On August 20 2023 13:16 Ideas wrote:
So SayainKCM got slapped with a copyright warning from OGN for doing retrocasts of the Jinair OSL: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ5AqDPIOmLSv1A_zLIYUfg/community?lb=UgkxnV_VIfZPwJuvCMNi7-7Ol63X-9IS7_xv

He's deciding to just take down all of his retrocast vids to be safe. I co-cast a lot of them with him which has been fun but I understand he doesn't want his channel to get delisted. Just so baffling to me since there are SO MANY other channels uploading old BW matches... anyone have any idea why he might have gotten hit with a copyright claim by them?


He said he's been trying to contact OGN (prior to the warning). My assumption is they don't have anyone speaking English who could properly handle the situation. If nothing changes in the coming weeks and months, I'll have to assume that OGN management is being very dumb.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
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