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On March 16 2020 17:20 prosatan wrote:
In PvT I always upgrade early obs speed. This way, i saw that goons + obs have the same speed and it is more useful do clear mines like that. I think it is better to invest 150 minerals and 150 gas and have obs speed for the rest of the game than to lose 2-3 dragoons in the process. Obs range I rarely upgrade, maybe in late game.
Observers actually become quite a bit faster than Dragoons so you still need to babysit the mine-clearing team. Observer range may actually work better than speed for that reason, as even if the Observer initially will lag behind the Dragoons, it does not stop when mines are encountered and it is not obstructed by terrain, but at the same time its additional vision range will work both in front and behind itself, creating a bigger "safety window" of vision and movement, so to speak.
The reason you do not want to get either upgrade at all is because 150 gas is a lot to invest before you reach Arbiter or Carrier tech, or Storm for that matter. I would only get it after your late game options and tech are already acquired. Delaying Arbiter because of Observer upgrades is like delaying your Mutalisk timing to get Burrow or something - yea, there are situations where it is useful, but if you don't get your Mutalisks on time then you're either just behind or possibly just fucked. Same logic should apply.
@MisterBoba: The absurd race whining has to stop. You will never get better at this game if you continue crying and pretending like your opponent's job is easier than yours. As a fellow Protoss, I will repeat that you bring shame to our noble race with your childish posting.
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yeah i was 99% sure that obs speed was faster than dragoons and so it didnt make a difference in terms of how much attention you had to dedicate to mine clearing, but then i wikied it for a sec and it showed the 2 speeds were pretty much the same which made me refrain from posting. glad jealous confirmed my initial thoughts
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Yeap, obs a bit faster but somehow it is better to clear mines this way imo! My goons are very clumsy 
And they enter in a mine field without any hesitation !
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Hyrule19050 Posts
Goons have a terminal case of stupid pathing.
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On March 16 2020 22:25 tofucake wrote:
Goons have a terminal case of stupid pathing.
Yes,yes tofucake! Range goons are a bit better!
I swear , if they aren't range upgraded , they enter mines even if they see them with observers !!!  
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For a Terran it is really frustrating if a Protoss is good at clearing mines quickly and chasing the vultures around. It puts a lot of pressure on you because you lack intel and feel boxed in. Also if they keep all their possible expansions clean from mine-blocks, this can be a game changer if later on they can quickly expand everywhere.
On the other hand if you can lay a lot of mines and realize that P is struggling to clean them up it's so much easier to set up everything for your lategame push.
So how easy or hard it is to lay those mines depends on how easy or hard the P makes it for you.
On another tought: You could probably argue that first Terran has to build up some kind of skill (spare-time, knowledge of good spots) to even lay mines (without wasting precious macro-time) before Protoss has to develop skill to clear them. It's definitelly not something that lower level Terrans just get to do for free (chances are high it will hurt their macro).
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BW general discussion thread has reached 6666 posts !!!
 
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On March 16 2020 22:09 prosatan wrote:Yeap, obs a bit faster but somehow it is better to clear mines this way imo! My goons are very clumsy And they enter in a mine field without any hesitation !
Pretty sure that Dragoons without range are SUPPOSED to trigger mines but I am not 100%.
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On March 17 2020 02:30 prosatan wrote:BW general discussion thread has reached 6666 posts !!!
Super Devil woo
It's fucking amazing that the community is still alive,new maps are being made
and you get to watch Bisu and Flash in action after all these years even when you don't play
BW 4Eva
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On March 14 2020 19:25 prosatan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2020 17:32 DiMiaN wrote:On March 14 2020 05:37 GGzerG wrote:WOW LOL, this dude has figured out some crazy gas drone bug, this was ridiculous LOL EDIT : WOW , it looks like he damages drone / unborrows right as it does / cancels the extractor and it creates millions of drones what... Someone able to reproduce this bug? I have tried , but unsuccessful! Unbelivable bug
Hack + Bug I think
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On March 17 2020 03:03 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 22:09 prosatan wrote:Yeap, obs a bit faster but somehow it is better to clear mines this way imo! My goons are very clumsy And they enter in a mine field without any hesitation ! Pretty sure that Dragoons without range are SUPPOSED to trigger mines but I am not 100%.
theyre supposed to be able to clear without range. the ai is just too stupid and wont attack at max range a lot of times
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Russian Federation121 Posts
On March 16 2020 16:15 MisterBoba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2020 14:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:
no.
you need to pay attention to them at all times. a clicking will eventually get a few dragoons killed Wow that is crazy. Vulture is so good. APM needed to lay mine is very low and can be place anywhere. But to sweep area with goon + obs you need to watch at all times. But this is RTS, and so that is why it is good strategy and I respect my T opponent. User was warned for this post.
My friends english I am not very good at so can I know why this is bad post? Maybe I say something I did not mean. Sorry!
EDIT: RTS = Real Time Strategy Game
@MisterBoba: The absurd race whining has to stop. You will never get better at this game if you continue crying and pretending like your opponent's job is easier than yours. As a fellow Protoss, I will repeat that you bring shame to our noble race with your childish posting.
My friend I am not race whine. Why do you say this? I say is good tactic, why not make game harder for other player if you can? If it take less APM to do a thing, and more for opponent to deal with, then is good tactic. And I say I respect. I do not understand. The idea of RTS game is to make game harder for other one and win yes? So I do not understand. Maybe is poor english. I do not know and understand. I say I respect T play. But good health.
And also I did not know lay mine is more taxing! I admit I not know this because i not play T. And one more thing, there are aspects of these game where one thing is easier than opponent. Example, one might say it is easier to not be supply block as Z than T or P. There are also thing harder so I assume that maybe this was one case.
On March 16 2020 23:09 Highgamer wrote:
For a Terran it is really frustrating if a Protoss is good at clearing mines quickly and chasing the vultures around. It puts a lot of pressure on you because you lack intel and feel boxed in. Also if they keep all their possible expansions clean from mine-blocks, this can be a game changer if later on they can quickly expand everywhere.
On the other hand if you can lay a lot of mines and realize that P is struggling to clean them up it's so much easier to set up everything for your lategame push.
So how easy or hard it is to lay those mines depends on how easy or hard the P makes it for you.
On another tought: You could probably argue that first Terran has to build up some kind of skill (spare-time, knowledge of good spots) to even lay mines (without wasting precious macro-time) before Protoss has to develop skill to clear them. It's definitelly not something that lower level Terrans just get to do for free (chances are high it will hurt their macro).
This good insight. Thanks to you. 
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Misterboba’s posts are so much more fun to read once I noticed his location is Russian Federation
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Russian Federation121 Posts
What you say about Russia??
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no booly any nation here plz
and good health everyone
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want to shoutout to burned toast who is awesome for his contributions in the small vods 2.0 thread. that thread is my #1 hub for content and wouldn't exist without this human. bless up
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On March 18 2020 13:00 Alejandrisha wrote:
want to shoutout to burned toast who is awesome for his contributions in the small vods 2.0 thread. that thread is my #1 hub for content and wouldn't exist without this human. bless up
why not post in the small vod thread then to show your appreciation? Appreciation posts don't get warned or banned, but other posts that deflect from the thread's main purpose do.
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