Probably would have been better to look up the strategy section or Liquipedia, but the answer is pretty short.

If you scout it early enough, pull 6ish probes and kill the gateway. Even if he remakes it, you'll be ahead in zealots and snowball. If you scout it late (gateway has already finished and producing a zealot, second gate almost finished), two gates and a shield battery, really good micro, pull 4-5 probes to fight (but try to save them as much as possible). If you miss it entirely until the first zealot starts attacking your stuff, you lose.

Thank you, I've started to play ladder recently, but most of the game people cheese. Atleast 70% of pvp is 2 gate proxy in the middle of the map

2 gate in your main is a pretty hard counter. You've got 2 gate in main, he's got two stupid looking gateways that he built late in the middle of the map that you will kill because you have better economy. If it's really 70%, you'll win 70% of your games for free and rank up quickly to where people stop doing that.

All I'm saying is you don't have to overthink it or try to play the most economic safe strategy you can at low levels. Try a simple solution first. If they don't do two gate proxy, then you can try to learn about how you catch up when you're behind with drops and tech and have plenty of opportunity to practice mechanics and see if you can make up the gap.

The reason so many people proxy cheese is because a lot of people think the only way to play is with a very greedy expansions, so they're just countering the meta. You have to be really good to play an economic opening and completely deflect aggressive builds.

i think a very simple explanation to why a lot of people proxy in pvp, even on 4p maps, is because they don't know what to do. if you expand and they don't, how many probes are you supposed to make? how fast are you supposed to tech? they leave these decisions to the suits in washington

Haha well said friend. Is same as Kremlin :D
But good health

lol to both of you

IMO it's smart, simplify the game to something that is manageable. Same reason everyone used to one base P and T for years, the game was complicated enough without two gas. No need to try to win the OSL on your first day.

oxKnu

1133 Posts

March 23 2020 13:48 GMT

#6702

Flash as Protoss destroying Light as Terran on stream now. Amazing sights.

oxKnu

1133 Posts

March 23 2020 14:39 GMT

#6703

And now smashing Brain by playing Zerg.

MisterBoba

Russian Federation121 Posts

March 23 2020 17:20 GMT

#6704

Brain play very well PvZ lategame. He had good run, is sad is over but.... is life. Thank you Brain for good play.

MisterBoba

Russian Federation121 Posts

March 23 2020 18:22 GMT

#6705

Some one is to explain how BeSt break Sorry here? Like Tasteless is say, "I try this in my games and it just doesn't work out". That was 170 supply T and 190 supply P, and not very good concave, how do BeSt break him? Stasis was good but only 1. What and how? I can not do this in my games

Not am saying that anything is unfair or broke just want to learn this.

MisterBoba

Russian Federation121 Posts

March 25 2020 10:37 GMT

#6706

Anyone know good VOD(s) of P beat 2-1 max push from T?

jamesuh

United States82 Posts

March 25 2020 10:43 GMT

#6707

On March 24 2020 03:22 MisterBoba wrote:
https://youtu.be/O9fuCqsiGTU?t=7236

Some one is to explain how BeSt break Sorry here? Like Tasteless is say, "I try this in my games and it just doesn't work out". That was 170 supply T and 190 supply P, and not very good concave, how do BeSt break him? Stasis was good but only 1. What and how? I can not do this in my games

Not am saying that anything is unfair or broke just want to learn this.

Not sure if I'm right but it looks like Sorry's entire army wasn't there, and also he was only 1-0 in upgrades which matters a lot in near maxed out fights

prosatan

Romania7426 Posts

March 25 2020 10:54 GMT

#6708

Flash is killing it !

Here is the vod where he wins agains Light and Sorry with protoss and versus Brain with zerg.

He controls reavers and carriers in an outstanding manner!

Highgamer

1376 Posts

March 25 2020 12:47 GMT

#6709

I heard some good Terran on this forum say something along the lines "any good Terran could beat himself with Protoss".

But even if his P is really sick, could Flash really beat his own T? It's Flash's T... I have my doubts.

checkoutpolypoidvag

1 Post

March 25 2020 13:01 GMT

#6710

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MisterBoba

Russian Federation121 Posts

March 25 2020 13:07 GMT

#6711

Does not really look like vagina friend and who is Nazgul?

tofucake

Hyrule18968 Posts

March 25 2020 13:19 GMT

#6712

Nazgul is the founder of TL

prosatan

Romania7426 Posts

March 25 2020 20:32 GMT

#6713

Goons with siege mode

ArvickHero

10387 Posts

March 26 2020 05:05 GMT

#6714

yo

I used to practice on this wonderful UMS map that was focused on mouse speed/accuracy, one was where you could hotkey 4 ghosts and target down zerglings (1a2a3a4a), the other one was selecting zerglings that spawned randomly, and you would move them into the center. Each mode had 5 different levels of speed/difficulty. I still have the map, but it seems to crash Remastered every time I try to load it. Anyone might have an updated version, or be able to fix it?

Here's a link to the UMS in question. Thanks!

maybenexttime

Poland5419 Posts

March 26 2020 09:54 GMT

#6715

Is there a noob friendly place for people from TL where I could practice/play some games? I haven't played in a long time, but now that we're in a lockdown I might give it a go. :-)

MisterBoba

Russian Federation121 Posts

March 26 2020 10:25 GMT

#6716

On March 26 2020 18:54 maybenexttime wrote:
Is there a noob friendly place for people from TL where I could practice/play some games? I haven't played in a long time, but now that we're in a lockdown I might give it a go. :-)

Friend check Foreign Brood War Discord server. Is good. No link. Someone will give. But is good.

outscar

2828 Posts

March 26 2020 15:39 GMT

#6717

Damn, FlaSh is not a human, if he can beat top terran Light with his protoss, and Brain who eliminated SK with his zerg. I'm scared he's gonna 3-0 and 4-0 everyone.