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kaz
Profile Joined October 2002
United States523 Posts
May 05 2003 15:51 GMT
#101
I average 100-120 apm in games played over the last month. My recent low is ~95 in a TvT; my recent high is ~130 in a PvT. I also get higher apm in TvZ.
S(O)ME(O)NE
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada473 Posts
May 05 2003 15:53 GMT
#102
Where do you get the program somebody give me the link please!
Commander{+}
Profile Joined December 2002
United States2878 Posts
May 05 2003 16:04 GMT
#103
S(O)ME(O)NE just go look at some of the past topics and look for a topic with the word Superview in it.
4 cheers for Ryan307
nEph^Destroyer
Profile Joined April 2003
Czech Republic105 Posts
May 05 2003 16:23 GMT
#104
uT)Crow -> high about 300, average 250
destro ownz ^.~
Pomozite
Profile Joined October 2002
Croatia647 Posts
May 05 2003 16:30 GMT
#105
On May 06 2003 00:53 S(O)ME(O)NE wrote:
Where do you get the program somebody give me the link please!

http://mapage.noos.fr/spyderman/bwchart.htm
i used to be schizophrenic, but we re ok now
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
May 05 2003 16:44 GMT
#106
Boxer gets 230-260 in important games.

Also those people who say they saw the vods and pros with 200-300 actions per minute just pointlessly click at buildings and press build key one thousand times, are wrong. To an extent -

That happens in early game when they have nothing to do. I watched 2 Boxer, 1 Nada, a few Garimto, a few IntoTheRain, and 1 Chrh first person VODs and if you bother to realize, you will see that in late game they are very effecient and almost never repeat commands, so the numbers you get from the program are very close to their actual playing speed, not millions of useless commands.

Hotkeys really add to it, but again, they go through them a lot to check on how soon the units will come out of the producing facilities, to make more units, and to organize their army. Rarely anything more.

So yes, speed matters, and while 100 without wasteful commands is decent, 200+ without wasteful commands is a different level of playing IMO. Nazgul is an interesting exception, but as someone said, protoss is the race that requires least clicks.I agree. Plus, as far as I know, Nazgul hotkeys only gateways, resulting less activity than Nada and Chojja show when they are controlling their units.
Artenus
Profile Joined September 2002
United States162 Posts
May 05 2003 17:42 GMT
#107
click/press speed isnt the same as command speed... sometimes, a command can consist of press + click
poland
Profile Joined February 2003
Poland956 Posts
May 05 2003 18:13 GMT
#108
i agree with whats his name... clicking is not needed to be good. Clickin over a 100 is enough but gosus prefer to click more in idle time- they perfectionists
i dont believe in mimes... do u?
DReaMe
Profile Joined October 2002
United States337 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-05-05 19:48:19
May 05 2003 19:45 GMT
#109
After checking some random replays..

In the past month - 190 - 240 APM *15 replays*

1 year back - 175 - 195 APM *6 replays*

2 years back - 110 - 130 *3 replays*

wo chej ma go ren
Mr.Terd
Profile Joined May 2003
United States2 Posts
May 05 2003 19:49 GMT
#110
Some one tell me where to get this program, shit I'm lost.
[cF]
Mr.Terd
Profile Joined May 2003
United States2 Posts
May 05 2003 19:50 GMT
#111
NM, I just saw the above link,thanks.
[cF]
Legionnaire
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia4515 Posts
May 05 2003 20:33 GMT
#112
On May 05 2003 19:37 Strafe[iR] wrote:
its useless to click nothing and select units over and over and hotkey ur building 50 times, it has nothing to do with speed but with useless clicking


I used to think that way to.

But if you see fast people play their hand is like playing a piano it just flies over the keyboard. Clicking fast on keyboard helps you to increase your handspeed there, knowing exactly where the keys are so u dont have to pause and make sure you pressed it right. It does help.
My hope is one day stupid people will feel the same pain when they talk, as the pain the rest of us feel when we hear them. Twitter: @Legionnaire_au
HovZ
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1917 Posts
May 05 2003 23:21 GMT
#113
u guys are reading way to much into this actions per minute thing, pretty soon well be seeing, friend 1: "hey have u heard of so and so, hes a new good user", friend 2: "oh nice, whats his actions per minute". this is going to become the replacement for gamei highs
z7-Rain : D Block is a rly good rapper, cosmo : mobb deep is a rly good rapper, cosmo : that song notorious thugs by bone and andre nickatana is sick
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
May 05 2003 23:36 GMT
#114
I get 130-140 apm in reps where I was trying my hardest (140 is the highest I've found so far), and 110-120 in casual games. I play protoss, though, so I don't need to click as fast as other people . Oddly, I checked 2 reps from one day when I thought I was trying hard, and I only had 106/108 apm. I guess I was tired that day or something o.Oa .

Just for fun, I checked a few reps of me from 1 year ago, not too long after I started playing SC, and my apm was ~70 .
Nevera
Profile Joined May 2003
Finland677 Posts
May 05 2003 23:54 GMT
#115
If 2 equally experienced equally smart and accurate people play 1v1 and the other is faster, who would you think wins the most games? Easy answer.

Yes, try to think it this way: If the best are doing it, it has to have some meaning no? So start your thinking there.
A bit like noobs looking at boxer rep and saying how much he sucks because he makes "the wrong units" or something like that. Condition yourself to think that pros are better than you, and then you have easier time understanding why speed is inportant.
Speed is very important in RT(ime)S (duh!). Why else would people use rally minerals at the beginning? Come on, it only improves your game little. Not to forget the constant acceleration moves used. Every little you give more the better. The progamers are just human, and have human bodies. Wired up warm and running, being fast gives them good reflexes I would say.
The faster you react in BW to your opponent, the better your unit micro control and situation control is. So the pros keep them on the edge and wired up all the game, like has been said here allready.
So, do you react faster when you are clicking like maniac all over the place? Hell yes. The important clicks also come fast when you have potential to be fast and, again when you are "tuned" for it. Remember this is sport.
So what I think is:
- A player is doing his best when he is at his OWN optimal speed. Not his fastest potential necessearly. Why go faster then? To learn to be faster, you maybe just a bit handicapped when you are practicing to be faster but hopefully it will pay off some day when you optimal speed is actually faster than it used to be. Then again this happens automaticly when people are trying to win really bad. God bless the male predators incints. This could mean that people are constantly playing a bit faster than they should?
- A perfect AI wouldn't need 300 per minute. It wouldn't need acceleration moves. No warmup moves. But we are not perfect AI. We have a mouse and keyboard to input commands, and benefit from adrenaline.
So in short, if you want to win your next game, play your optimal speed. If you want to improve, try playing faster than you are used
to.
If a noob who only knows the zealot rush would play: Well executed zealot only game is more successful than zealot+goon+templar, but he should try to learn the more complicated too?
There are of course speed caps I would assume, which are personal. Just find your own speed. If your slow, don't critisize something you don't have(speed). Try it out, the big nerds are doing it too.
If your body and mind is well when you play, you play well.
So was that all too self-evident? lol
This issue has so many factors, and here are just some of them. I probably forgot many things I was about to say too but oh well. So much bs hard to remember all.
Many times when I try to click a lot I forgot to think. That's a nono. Think all the time.
Nevera aka mr.self evident.
Moo i say
Nevera
Profile Joined May 2003
Finland677 Posts
May 05 2003 23:59 GMT
#116
Oh yeah and I would say guys like Boxer and Nazgul are distributing their speed pretty well.
Moo i say
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
May 06 2003 00:47 GMT
#117
212.5 average

ModeratorFather of bunnies
SoA.FoxX
Profile Joined April 2003
Denmark27 Posts
May 06 2003 02:28 GMT
#118
Heaven[30D.O.M] is known to be one of the fastest clickers, thou a guy like ChoJJa, moves his mouse faster and more accurate. Those things combined, with intelligence makes a good starcraft player.
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4641 Posts
May 06 2003 03:18 GMT
#119
Nevera I love YOOOOOOOOOU
Dump of assembler code from 0xffffffec to 0x64: End of assembler dump.
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
May 06 2003 03:31 GMT
#120
Who cares about speed, I don't. Speed counts very little in my opinion.
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