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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 03 2006 03:12 GMT
#21
Yeah I feel you on that. I still don't get new PvT cuz I don't play enough.
That's why I stick to DT drop or reavers -_-;; Pray for early victory.

Fuck you Oov and Midas!!
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
January 03 2006 03:21 GMT
#22
NaDa and Yellow are only slumping because their styles are too old and not effective now. NaDa used to own so bad because nobody had his micr/macro skills. I mean, some people could keep up in micro (like Boxer), but even they couldn't keep up in macro. And I can't think of players who could keep up in macro with NaDa regularly. Now you have macro machines like Oov who use very aggressive MACRO based builds. NaDa still plays it safe. You can't do that anymore. He needs a style revamp.

Yellow needs a revamp too. He just can't take control of the pace of the game very well. He needs to beef up his macro just a bit, but he has to do so without cutting aggression.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
January 03 2006 03:26 GMT
#23
Boxer is out of his slump because of a style change. He has been taking hints from Oov. He doesn't timed push every game. He has been experimenting with going macro on his opponents.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 03 2006 03:29 GMT
#24
Man...
I'm REQUESTING YELLOW VS STORK VOD... on whatever map it was....
Yellow makes an amazing comeback through harass after getting an early game ass fall back.

That was one of Yellow's sexiest games. I think Yellow doesn't need much a total re-vamp... I feel unsure bout Nada though cuz I can't tell T's apart too well cept the obvious. Xellos still plays it safe and he is still very strong...
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bsj9
Profile Joined December 2005
United States927 Posts
January 03 2006 03:29 GMT
#25
On January 03 2006 12:26 Mortality wrote:
Boxer is out of his slump because of a style change. He has been taking hints from Oov. He doesn't timed push every game. He has been experimenting with going macro on his opponents.


funny how oov is now boxer's tutor... but you're right
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
January 03 2006 03:33 GMT
#26
is it me or are boxer's builds and strategy much more carefully thought out recently?

before he was so far ahead in micro and execution he could just do all this random shit and still win just because he was so much better, but now hes gotta plan and build because everyone has the skills
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-03 03:37:33
January 03 2006 03:36 GMT
#27
I still think Boxer's micro is a step above. Midas vs Boxer TvT is a good example.
In the FPVOD you get to see Boxer take 5 vultures and rape Midas sooooo hardcore it's sick.

I always thought Boxer's build and strats were very carefully thought out. Him raping Yellow comes to mind. Proxy vultures in key locations is also a trademark...

He's always had planned cheese and gameplans. Valhalla Barracks, Bifrost Barracks, all that, etc.

Boxer's always been a thinker and innovator, his macro has just upgraded but I still feel Boxer is at his core, the very same Boxer we knew from since Coca Cola days.
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
January 03 2006 04:22 GMT
#28
Boxer is more willing to focus on micro because he is a micro based gamer and uses micro based strategies. NaDa displays outstanding micro using macro based strategies. It's a bit difficult to compare, but IMO, they are on the same level. NaDa's dropships micro, his unbelievable vulture control, his marine use...just wow.

Have you seen the MSL You are the Golf King game between NaDa and GoRush on Into The Darkness? NaDa vs Chojja on Forbidden Zone in Panasonic OSL? NaDa vs Reach on Forbidden Zone, I think also Panasonic OSL (he uses mines to kill ALL OF REACH'S PROBES)? NaDa has done some pretty unbelievable things. Boxer just does them more often, but again, he's a micro base gamer.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
January 03 2006 04:25 GMT
#29
On January 03 2006 12:29 SuperJongMan wrote:
Xellos still plays it safe and he is still very strong...


I disagree. Xellos is "safe" yes, but he's not nearly as passive as NaDa. He's a much more aggressive player. That's why NaDa > Xellos. But Oov > NaDa because Oov is aggressive in the sense that he uses risky macro builds. Xellos > Oov because while Oov takes those risks, Xellos penetrates. And the cycle continues.

Xellos isn't doing so hot right now either though.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
January 03 2006 04:27 GMT
#30
if yolu're feeling lonely, come sex with me in yeoksamyeok
why so 진지해?
DTDominion
Profile Joined November 2005
United States2148 Posts
January 03 2006 04:40 GMT
#31
On January 03 2006 12:33 Hot_Bid wrote:
is it me or are boxer's builds and strategy much more carefully thought out recently?

before he was so far ahead in micro and execution he could just do all this random shit and still win just because he was so much better, but now hes gotta plan and build because everyone has the skills


definitely, his strats were never bad per se but they were often so out of the box that they weren't good.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 03 2006 04:40 GMT
#32
I think Xellos is plenty fine. He just had a pretty bad showing at WCG and like the 2 games after -_-;;
He is still doing ok in a killer group. Everyone is 1-1. His PL have been off and on too.
Still, it's not the blazing Xellos we know but he is still hot.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
January 03 2006 04:45 GMT
#33
no sex?
why so 진지해?
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
January 03 2006 17:32 GMT
#34
hmm i think yellow needs to change his style tho. like hardlyt winning shit right now. ㅠ_ㅠ
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 04 2006 01:29 GMT
#35
On January 03 2006 13:45 Rekrul wrote:
no sex?


Oh you were talking to me... Aww I'm sorry I walked away like that...
I have a drug problem... my high carried me away.

T.T!!! To turn down sex with Rek.. what was I thinking....
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ControL[PP]
Profile Joined January 2006
Canada9 Posts
January 04 2006 02:35 GMT
#36
Omfg I can't make a new topic so I'm forced to do this sorry everyone for the blatant off-topic post but I don't see any other way...

My question is..What realms are most active if you could list them in order of most active to least active that would be great... sorry again.

P.S. if there is a site that tracks these stats a link would be great.
Every little step she takes breaks the chambers in her chest.
ControL[PP]
Profile Joined January 2006
Canada9 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-04 02:37:53
January 04 2006 02:37 GMT
#37
Omfg I can't make a new topic so I'm forced to do this sorry everyone for the blatant off-topic post but I don't see any other way...

My question is..What realms are most active if you could list them in order of most active to least active that would be great... sorry again.

P.S. if there is a site that tracks these stats a link would be great.


Sorry for double.
Every little step she takes breaks the chambers in her chest.
Toolvure
Profile Joined February 2005
Estonia368 Posts
January 04 2006 02:52 GMT
#38
Well IMHO real slump starts AFTER everyone calls you a "slumping player"(for example after loosing 2-3 games in a row or loosing to unknown player) because it really starts to pressure you, you think "OMFG I'm slumping, I'm looser, I'm etc.". That's why Boxer almost never falls into a deep slump(Xellos, Reach and some more players are also in this group), he is just very strong mentally.
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