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On June 03 2012 01:11 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote:On June 02 2012 22:30 Eee wrote:On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote:On June 02 2012 13:40 Fionn wrote:
Wait, people are actually blaming SC2 for two B-teamers leaving the team when one has never played and the other is 0-3? If it stayed full BW and only five sets per match, these guys would have already quit. It's sad that they had to give up, but if anything, SC2 gives players like these an actual chance to fight to be on the A-team. With Jangbi, Stork, Turn, Reality, etc. on the team, these guys would have never seen the light of day.
Hopefully they do well in whatever they decide to do next. 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. So you're implying that it's sc2's fault? if the alternative is to assume it's coincidence that they are all leaving during the transitional period to SC2, yes I would say it's SC2. So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-(
SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-(
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On June 03 2012 02:41 SlowBullets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 01:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On June 03 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote:On June 02 2012 22:30 Eee wrote:On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote:On June 02 2012 13:40 Fionn wrote:
Wait, people are actually blaming SC2 for two B-teamers leaving the team when one has never played and the other is 0-3? If it stayed full BW and only five sets per match, these guys would have already quit. It's sad that they had to give up, but if anything, SC2 gives players like these an actual chance to fight to be on the A-team. With Jangbi, Stork, Turn, Reality, etc. on the team, these guys would have never seen the light of day.
Hopefully they do well in whatever they decide to do next. 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. So you're implying that it's sc2's fault? if the alternative is to assume it's coincidence that they are all leaving during the transitional period to SC2, yes I would say it's SC2. So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-( SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-(
But it's not sc2 fault, so instead of blaming sc2 blame kespa, nobody want broodwar to die, at least on this way.
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Not surprise, they invested so much on bw. It will take at least a year for them to catch up to the GSL players and then they have to start from scratch again with the heart of the swarm. =/
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On June 03 2012 02:41 SlowBullets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 01:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On June 03 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote:On June 02 2012 22:30 Eee wrote:On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote:On June 02 2012 13:40 Fionn wrote:
Wait, people are actually blaming SC2 for two B-teamers leaving the team when one has never played and the other is 0-3? If it stayed full BW and only five sets per match, these guys would have already quit. It's sad that they had to give up, but if anything, SC2 gives players like these an actual chance to fight to be on the A-team. With Jangbi, Stork, Turn, Reality, etc. on the team, these guys would have never seen the light of day.
Hopefully they do well in whatever they decide to do next. 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. So you're implying that it's sc2's fault? if the alternative is to assume it's coincidence that they are all leaving during the transitional period to SC2, yes I would say it's SC2. So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-( SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-(
Ok I will. Where's the figures for attendance rate then? Oh wait. I'm not saying this transition is going swimmingly, because I don't think it is, but people are calling it a 'diaster' and then using made-up evidence, or barely reliable evidence.
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On June 03 2012 02:41 SlowBullets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 01:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On June 03 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote:On June 02 2012 22:30 Eee wrote:On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote:On June 02 2012 13:40 Fionn wrote:
Wait, people are actually blaming SC2 for two B-teamers leaving the team when one has never played and the other is 0-3? If it stayed full BW and only five sets per match, these guys would have already quit. It's sad that they had to give up, but if anything, SC2 gives players like these an actual chance to fight to be on the A-team. With Jangbi, Stork, Turn, Reality, etc. on the team, these guys would have never seen the light of day.
Hopefully they do well in whatever they decide to do next. 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. So you're implying that it's sc2's fault? if the alternative is to assume it's coincidence that they are all leaving during the transitional period to SC2, yes I would say it's SC2. So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-( SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-(
By the way, I don't think that the number of retirmenets has any effect on the proleague being lame to watch,
at least not until star players retire in the middle of the season.
Anyways, I hope the two players will find something else to do.
Most bw pros are incredibly committed in their passion, it sucks pretty hard to quit, honestly.
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seriously they switched in the wrong time, should have waited for HOTS...
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Ouch, these aren't even older pros who have their time in the military coming up, seeing the older pros go is bad enough, but seeing younger guys who still have some time before they have to go to the military leaving the scene is somehow worse than seeing veterans leave. Hope they find success in what they do after broodwar.
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On June 03 2012 05:55 Garmer wrote:
seriously they switched in the wrong time, should have waited for HOTS...
Until LotV imo...
This leaves me pretty disillusioned with e-sports, I honestly thought starcraft was gonna be forever at least in Korea.
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On June 02 2012 14:13 Neo7 wrote:
January is the one coach who believes in the players that are not S-class nor A-class material as well regardless of what it does to her reputation (and we all know how much we Khan fans rage when it costs a ProLeague match). It's a significant blow.
You have no idea, the rage, lol.
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Khan buy out T8!!! ITS UR ONLY CHANCE!!!
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Sad but not surprising.. And yeah I agree that we probably will see  Stork retire soon
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On June 03 2012 03:05 Zaken_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 02:41 SlowBullets wrote:On June 03 2012 01:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On June 03 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote:On June 02 2012 22:30 Eee wrote:On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote:On June 02 2012 13:40 Fionn wrote:
Wait, people are actually blaming SC2 for two B-teamers leaving the team when one has never played and the other is 0-3? If it stayed full BW and only five sets per match, these guys would have already quit. It's sad that they had to give up, but if anything, SC2 gives players like these an actual chance to fight to be on the A-team. With Jangbi, Stork, Turn, Reality, etc. on the team, these guys would have never seen the light of day.
Hopefully they do well in whatever they decide to do next. 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. So you're implying that it's sc2's fault? if the alternative is to assume it's coincidence that they are all leaving during the transitional period to SC2, yes I would say it's SC2. So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-( SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-( But it's not sc2 fault, so instead of blaming sc2 blame kespa, nobody want broodwar to die, at least on this way.
SC2's fault was that it had Starcraft in it's name. Like the coaches said, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't named starcraft.
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of course it's not "sc2's fault" since sc2 is just a game. is it mostly kespa's fault? yes. might blizzard share some of the blame? yes, and i don't think they mind
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On June 03 2012 08:21 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 03:05 Zaken_ wrote:On June 03 2012 02:41 SlowBullets wrote:On June 03 2012 01:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On June 03 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote:On June 02 2012 22:30 Eee wrote:On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote:On June 02 2012 13:40 Fionn wrote:
Wait, people are actually blaming SC2 for two B-teamers leaving the team when one has never played and the other is 0-3? If it stayed full BW and only five sets per match, these guys would have already quit. It's sad that they had to give up, but if anything, SC2 gives players like these an actual chance to fight to be on the A-team. With Jangbi, Stork, Turn, Reality, etc. on the team, these guys would have never seen the light of day.
Hopefully they do well in whatever they decide to do next. 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. So you're implying that it's sc2's fault? if the alternative is to assume it's coincidence that they are all leaving during the transitional period to SC2, yes I would say it's SC2. So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-( SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-( But it's not sc2 fault, so instead of blaming sc2 blame kespa, nobody want broodwar to die, at least on this way. SC2's fault was that it had Starcraft in it's name. Like the coaches said, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't named starcraft.
What kind of logic is this.
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On June 03 2012 10:22 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 08:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On June 03 2012 03:05 Zaken_ wrote:On June 03 2012 02:41 SlowBullets wrote:On June 03 2012 01:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On June 03 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote:On June 02 2012 22:30 Eee wrote:On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote:On June 02 2012 13:40 Fionn wrote:
Wait, people are actually blaming SC2 for two B-teamers leaving the team when one has never played and the other is 0-3? If it stayed full BW and only five sets per match, these guys would have already quit. It's sad that they had to give up, but if anything, SC2 gives players like these an actual chance to fight to be on the A-team. With Jangbi, Stork, Turn, Reality, etc. on the team, these guys would have never seen the light of day.
Hopefully they do well in whatever they decide to do next. 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. So you're implying that it's sc2's fault? if the alternative is to assume it's coincidence that they are all leaving during the transitional period to SC2, yes I would say it's SC2. So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-( SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-( But it's not sc2 fault, so instead of blaming sc2 blame kespa, nobody want broodwar to die, at least on this way. SC2's fault was that it had Starcraft in it's name. Like the coaches said, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't named starcraft. What kind of logic is this.
Let me help you out. Do you think the WCG would just stop running one of thier biggest crowd drawers for a brand new unproven RTS(that were "terrible" at the time according to sc2 fans)?
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On June 03 2012 10:57 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 10:22 rysecake wrote:On June 03 2012 08:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On June 03 2012 03:05 Zaken_ wrote:On June 03 2012 02:41 SlowBullets wrote:On June 03 2012 01:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On June 03 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote:On June 02 2012 22:30 Eee wrote:On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote:On June 02 2012 13:40 Fionn wrote:
Wait, people are actually blaming SC2 for two B-teamers leaving the team when one has never played and the other is 0-3? If it stayed full BW and only five sets per match, these guys would have already quit. It's sad that they had to give up, but if anything, SC2 gives players like these an actual chance to fight to be on the A-team. With Jangbi, Stork, Turn, Reality, etc. on the team, these guys would have never seen the light of day.
Hopefully they do well in whatever they decide to do next. 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. So you're implying that it's sc2's fault? if the alternative is to assume it's coincidence that they are all leaving during the transitional period to SC2, yes I would say it's SC2. So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-( SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-( But it's not sc2 fault, so instead of blaming sc2 blame kespa, nobody want broodwar to die, at least on this way. SC2's fault was that it had Starcraft in it's name. Like the coaches said, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't named starcraft. What kind of logic is this. Let me help you out. Do you think the WCG would just stop running one of thier biggest crowd drawers for a brand new unproven RTS(that were "terrible" at the time according to sc2 fans)?
Terrible or not, this "unproven RTS" had cannibalized pretty much the entire competitive scene of this crowd drawer along with most of the global sponsors and infrastructure in all but one country. No point in having it in the World Cyber Games when the world part is missing, no matter what game is replacing it.
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On June 03 2012 10:57 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 10:22 rysecake wrote:On June 03 2012 08:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On June 03 2012 03:05 Zaken_ wrote:On June 03 2012 02:41 SlowBullets wrote:On June 03 2012 01:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On June 03 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote:On June 02 2012 22:30 Eee wrote:On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote:On June 02 2012 13:40 Fionn wrote:
Wait, people are actually blaming SC2 for two B-teamers leaving the team when one has never played and the other is 0-3? If it stayed full BW and only five sets per match, these guys would have already quit. It's sad that they had to give up, but if anything, SC2 gives players like these an actual chance to fight to be on the A-team. With Jangbi, Stork, Turn, Reality, etc. on the team, these guys would have never seen the light of day.
Hopefully they do well in whatever they decide to do next. 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. So you're implying that it's sc2's fault? if the alternative is to assume it's coincidence that they are all leaving during the transitional period to SC2, yes I would say it's SC2. So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-( SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-( But it's not sc2 fault, so instead of blaming sc2 blame kespa, nobody want broodwar to die, at least on this way. SC2's fault was that it had Starcraft in it's name. Like the coaches said, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't named starcraft. What kind of logic is this. Let me help you out. Do you think the WCG would just stop running one of thier biggest crowd drawers for a brand new unproven RTS(that were "terrible" at the time according to sc2 fans)?
I have confident LoL will over run sc2 very soon and we will all be watching LoL the new king of e-sport .
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On June 03 2012 11:48 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 10:57 TrainSamurai wrote:On June 03 2012 10:22 rysecake wrote:On June 03 2012 08:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On June 03 2012 03:05 Zaken_ wrote:On June 03 2012 02:41 SlowBullets wrote:On June 03 2012 01:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On June 03 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote:On June 02 2012 22:30 Eee wrote:On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote:
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7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. So you're implying that it's sc2's fault? if the alternative is to assume it's coincidence that they are all leaving during the transitional period to SC2, yes I would say it's SC2. So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-( SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-( But it's not sc2 fault, so instead of blaming sc2 blame kespa, nobody want broodwar to die, at least on this way. SC2's fault was that it had Starcraft in it's name. Like the coaches said, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't named starcraft. What kind of logic is this. Let me help you out. Do you think the WCG would just stop running one of thier biggest crowd drawers for a brand new unproven RTS(that were "terrible" at the time according to sc2 fans)? I have confident LoL will over run sc2 very soon and we will all be watching LoL the new king of e-sport .
Gonna be interesting when the elephant in the MOBA room is DotA2...
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On June 03 2012 06:57 FlaShFTW wrote:
Khan buy out T8!!! ITS UR ONLY CHANCE!!!
That wouldnt solve anything.. Kespa made T8 because having a PL with 7 teams wasnt acceptable.
Also, Team 8 already has its little story, I don't want T8 to mix with another team, I just want a good corporation to sponsor the team!
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On June 03 2012 11:37 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 10:57 TrainSamurai wrote:On June 03 2012 10:22 rysecake wrote:On June 03 2012 08:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On June 03 2012 03:05 Zaken_ wrote:On June 03 2012 02:41 SlowBullets wrote:On June 03 2012 01:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On June 03 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote:On June 02 2012 22:30 Eee wrote:On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote:
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7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. So you're implying that it's sc2's fault? if the alternative is to assume it's coincidence that they are all leaving during the transitional period to SC2, yes I would say it's SC2. So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-( SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-( But it's not sc2 fault, so instead of blaming sc2 blame kespa, nobody want broodwar to die, at least on this way. SC2's fault was that it had Starcraft in it's name. Like the coaches said, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't named starcraft. What kind of logic is this. Let me help you out. Do you think the WCG would just stop running one of thier biggest crowd drawers for a brand new unproven RTS(that were "terrible" at the time according to sc2 fans)? Terrible or not, this "unproven RTS" had cannibalized pretty much the entire competitive scene of this crowd drawer along with most of the global sponsors and infrastructure in all but one country. No point in having it in the World Cyber Games when the world part is missing, no matter what game is replacing it.
Thatts my point exactly. It doesn't matter if it was terrible or good the game just came and took over everything because of its name (remember sc2 fans are the ones who said it was terrible during that period not me). You don't see the same happening for AOE or CnC why is "Starcraft" the exception? Simply because of the competitive reputation of proleague. I don't believe that the majority of people who started sc2 have not heard of korean pros before touching the game.
Even if they did include sc2(nothing wrong with that) why do away with Broodwar? Once again because of the name.
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