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Always and Point have called it quits as KeSPA progamers, joining Brave amongst the list of Samsung KHAN casualties this season.Source: http://progamer.or.kr/news/notice_view.kea?m_code=news_20&PageNo=1&seq=1733&where=&query=
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GTR
51607 Posts
Always and Point have called it quits as KeSPA progamers, joining Brave amongst the list of Samsung KHAN casualties this season.Source: http://progamer.or.kr/news/notice_view.kea?m_code=news_20&PageNo=1&seq=1733&where=&query= | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51070 Posts
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
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empty.bottle
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 this is bad... | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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Pelopidas
Canada225 Posts
On June 02 2012 13:28 Taekwon wrote: oh my %$#@ god what r u doing to everyone on samsung trolluary Forcing them to play a bad game. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Hopefully they do well in whatever they decide to do next. | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
Hope they find better success in their future careers. | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On June 02 2012 13:40 Fionn wrote: Wait, people are actually blaming SC2 for two B-teamers leaving the team when one has never played and the other is 0-3? If it stayed full BW and only five sets per match, these guys would have already quit. It's sad that they had to give up, but if anything, SC2 gives players like these an actual chance to fight to be on the A-team. With Jangbi, Stork, Turn, Reality, etc. on the team, these guys would have never seen the light of day. Hopefully they do well in whatever they decide to do next. 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2553 Posts
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On June 02 2012 13:40 Fionn wrote: Wait, people are actually blaming SC2 for two B-teamers leaving the team when one has never played and the other is 0-3? If it stayed full BW and only five sets per match, these guys would have already quit. It's sad that they had to give up, but if anything, SC2 gives players like these an actual chance to fight to be on the A-team. With Jangbi, Stork, Turn, Reality, etc. on the team, these guys would have never seen the light of day. Hopefully they do well in whatever they decide to do next. They practiced BW and to have that completely wiped is demotivating to say the least. I don't think they'll feel much better because everyone else has to restart too. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote: 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. I actually take this as a good sign. It shows that January's upfront to her players about the switch and possible consequences. No use to hang on to something when you have basically no future in it. I personally don't mind these guys leaving. Progamers have to dedicate so much to the game that they need to love it. Otherwise, why bother? Now it's a matter of Samsung Khan recruiting SC2 players to replenish their depth. | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On June 02 2012 14:21 baubo wrote: I actually take this as a good sign. It shows that January's upfront to her players about the switch and possible consequences. No use to hang on to something when you have basically no future in it. I personally don't mind these guys leaving. Progamers have to dedicate so much to the game that they need to love it. Otherwise, why bother? Now it's a matter of Samsung Khan recruiting SC2 players to replenish their depth. sure, once you've used someone up and then completely changed things up on them you can just find someone new to take out of school and give 12 hours of practice a day to | ||
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sheaRZerg
United States613 Posts
On June 02 2012 13:40 Fionn wrote: Wait, people are actually blaming SC2 for two B-teamers leaving the team when one has never played and the other is 0-3? If it stayed full BW and only five sets per match, these guys would have already quit. It's sad that they had to give up, but if anything, SC2 gives players like these an actual chance to fight to be on the A-team. With Jangbi, Stork, Turn, Reality, etc. on the team, these guys would have never seen the light of day. Hopefully they do well in whatever they decide to do next. The timing would be quite a coincidence if SC2 had nothing to do with it. | ||
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
On June 02 2012 15:23 pebble444 wrote: I predict Stork will quit at the end of this season. please dont | ||
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hydrogg
United States377 Posts
On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote: 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. Do you have a source on this? | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
I'm not sure how i'd feel about it but it would not surprise me... at all. | ||
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Marti
552 Posts
On June 02 2012 15:32 Liquid`Jinro wrote: January is one of the coaches I've heard the most good things about from ex-SC progamers, honestly don't think I've ever heard anything bad at all about her. Yeah i don't think anyone is actually blaming her. It's just that when you're in a must win situation and you send out brave instead of an osl winner ... yeah that's kind of what we call trolling. | ||
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On June 02 2012 14:13 Neo7 wrote: January is the one coach who believes in the players that are not S-class nor A-class material as well regardless of what it does to her reputation (and we all know how much we Khan fans rage when it costs a ProLeague match). It's a significant blow. Yeah some props to her. She seems to have a lot of faith in Reality. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On June 02 2012 15:32 Liquid`Jinro wrote: January is one of the coaches I've heard the most good things about from ex-SC progamers, honestly don't think I've ever heard anything bad at all about her. Hiya on his stream said he wanted to go on Samsung Khan because that's where the player are best treated, that he had refused another team with a lower salary, but that if it were Samsung... On June 02 2012 15:51 ShadeR wrote: I'm not sure how i'd feel about it but it would not surprise me... at all. Personnally, I'd almost bet he'll be gone before September... :/ Does anyone know when they were drafted ? | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On June 02 2012 16:22 Marti wrote: Yeah i don't think anyone is actually blaming her. It's just that when you're in a must win situation and you send out brave instead of an osl winner ... yeah that's kind of what we call trolling. Maybe Brave had an ace up his sleeve, we just don't know. Either way, Jan knew that she had to make sure that all her players were getting the spotlight so it didn't turn into Stork/JB KHAN right? | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On June 02 2012 18:24 corumjhaelen wrote: Hiya on his stream said he wanted to go on Samsung Khan because that's where the player are best treated, that he had refused another team with a lower salary, but that if it were Samsung... You also kind of get the idea from Khan player interviews(especially Stork) that the team is fairly loose in terms of practice regiment. It does make sense that January's more of a players' coach than other teams given her player background. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote: 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. So you're implying that it's sc2's fault? | ||
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Marti
552 Posts
On June 02 2012 22:11 IntoTheheart wrote: Maybe Brave had an ace up his sleeve, we just don't know. Either way, Jan knew that she had to make sure that all her players were getting the spotlight so it didn't turn into Stork/JB KHAN right? Oh yeah, but didn't something similar happen with grape ? I mean i understand her wanting to play kind of everyone, i think she's actually one of the only coaces that gives so many opportunities to lesser players, but like ... not when you're down 2 - 0 ; 2 - 1 or tied 2 - 2, or at least not so often ^^ Not really criticizing tho, she's doing a great job ! | ||
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dellesh1ruH
Denmark509 Posts
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Marti
552 Posts
I'm not saying it /troll I also think SC2 gives another chance to random A teamers and less successful B teamers. Because evidence suggests that your BW level =!= your SC2 level, so it's like a reroll, everyone seems even again. It seems like a new chance for them. Or it would seem so to me if it were just " changing game " ( by that i mean i don't know what will happen to the viewerbase ETC ) . Then again maybe they tried SC2 for a while and felt like they didn't have the talent and didn't want to risk it all again, or just didn't have the motivation to, maybe they just didn't like the game enough. We won't know until we get an good interview, which we will probably never get since those players are not exactly famous. Edit : the "it" was included in the | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On June 02 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote: 7-8 players have left Khan in the last 3 months alone. I think this is just the beginning of the end ........ | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
if the alternative is to assume it's coincidence that they are all leaving during the transitional period to SC2, yes I would say it's SC2. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On June 03 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote: if the alternative is to assume it's coincidence that they are all leaving during the transitional period to SC2, yes I would say it's SC2. So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-( | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On June 03 2012 01:11 JustPassingBy wrote: So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-( i think the players realize how stupid the format is right now. | ||
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SlowBullets
United States839 Posts
On June 03 2012 01:11 JustPassingBy wrote: So sc2 is to blame when Kespa forces its players to play it? :-( SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-( | ||
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Zaken_
Spain35 Posts
On June 03 2012 02:41 SlowBullets wrote: SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-( But it's not sc2 fault, so instead of blaming sc2 blame kespa, nobody want broodwar to die, at least on this way. | ||
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On June 03 2012 02:41 SlowBullets wrote: SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-( Ok I will. Where's the figures for attendance rate then? Oh wait. I'm not saying this transition is going swimmingly, because I don't think it is, but people are calling it a 'diaster' and then using made-up evidence, or barely reliable evidence. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On June 03 2012 02:41 SlowBullets wrote: SC2 makes this hybrid proleague kinda lame to watch. See PL attendance rate for example + the number of retirements coming this way. :-( By the way, I don't think that the number of retirmenets has any effect on the proleague being lame to watch, at least not until star players retire in the middle of the season. Anyways, I hope the two players will find something else to do. Most bw pros are incredibly committed in their passion, it sucks pretty hard to quit, honestly. | ||
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Garmer
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On June 03 2012 05:55 Garmer wrote: seriously they switched in the wrong time, should have waited for HOTS... Until LotV imo... This leaves me pretty disillusioned with e-sports, I honestly thought starcraft was gonna be forever at least in Korea. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On June 02 2012 14:13 Neo7 wrote: January is the one coach who believes in the players that are not S-class nor A-class material as well regardless of what it does to her reputation (and we all know how much we Khan fans rage when it costs a ProLeague match). It's a significant blow. You have no idea, the rage, lol. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10470 Posts
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
 Stork retire soon | ||
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TrainSamurai
339 Posts
On June 03 2012 03:05 Zaken_ wrote: But it's not sc2 fault, so instead of blaming sc2 blame kespa, nobody want broodwar to die, at least on this way. SC2's fault was that it had Starcraft in it's name. Like the coaches said, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't named starcraft. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On June 03 2012 08:21 TrainSamurai wrote: SC2's fault was that it had Starcraft in it's name. Like the coaches said, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't named starcraft. What kind of logic is this. | ||
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TrainSamurai
339 Posts
Let me help you out. Do you think the WCG would just stop running one of thier biggest crowd drawers for a brand new unproven RTS(that were "terrible" at the time according to sc2 fans)? | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On June 03 2012 10:57 TrainSamurai wrote: Let me help you out. Do you think the WCG would just stop running one of thier biggest crowd drawers for a brand new unproven RTS(that were "terrible" at the time according to sc2 fans)? Terrible or not, this "unproven RTS" had cannibalized pretty much the entire competitive scene of this crowd drawer along with most of the global sponsors and infrastructure in all but one country. No point in having it in the World Cyber Games when the world part is missing, no matter what game is replacing it. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On June 03 2012 10:57 TrainSamurai wrote: Let me help you out. Do you think the WCG would just stop running one of thier biggest crowd drawers for a brand new unproven RTS(that were "terrible" at the time according to sc2 fans)? I have confident LoL will over run sc2 very soon and we will all be watching LoL the new king of e-sport . | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On June 03 2012 11:48 Sawamura wrote: I have confident LoL will over run sc2 very soon and we will all be watching LoL the new king of e-sport . Gonna be interesting when the elephant in the MOBA room is DotA2... | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2553 Posts
On June 03 2012 06:57 FlaShFTW wrote: Khan buy out T8!!! ITS UR ONLY CHANCE!!! That wouldnt solve anything.. Kespa made T8 because having a PL with 7 teams wasnt acceptable. Also, Team 8 already has its little story, I don't want T8 to mix with another team, I just want a good corporation to sponsor the team! | ||
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TrainSamurai
339 Posts
On June 03 2012 11:37 eviltomahawk wrote: Terrible or not, this "unproven RTS" had cannibalized pretty much the entire competitive scene of this crowd drawer along with most of the global sponsors and infrastructure in all but one country. No point in having it in the World Cyber Games when the world part is missing, no matter what game is replacing it. Thatts my point exactly. It doesn't matter if it was terrible or good the game just came and took over everything because of its name (remember sc2 fans are the ones who said it was terrible during that period not me). You don't see the same happening for AOE or CnC why is "Starcraft" the exception? Simply because of the competitive reputation of proleague. I don't believe that the majority of people who started sc2 have not heard of korean pros before touching the game. Even if they did include sc2(nothing wrong with that) why do away with Broodwar? Once again because of the name. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On June 03 2012 10:57 TrainSamurai wrote: Let me help you out. Do you think the WCG would just stop running one of thier biggest crowd drawers for a brand new unproven RTS(that were "terrible" at the time according to sc2 fans)? Naming the game after starcraft was not a mistake. It was the greatest move by Blizzard ever to draw so much attention to an otherwise mediocre game. | ||
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BreakerD
United States159 Posts
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